Well, looks like the Associated Press and the Department of Justice are having a spat.
The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative’s top executive called a “massive and unprecedented intrusion” into how news organizations gather the news…
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obtains-wide-ap-phone-records-probe
Sounds more like the Justice Department is simply investigating the illegal leaking and reporting of classified information that put agents in the field at risk. Good for them.
I thought that the freedom of the press was one of the major checks on runaway government.
The chief bitch the AP has, is the DOJ far exceeded their approved warrant for gathering materials and are now giving the AP the finger.
Seems a little strange.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I thought that the freedom of the press was one of the major checks on runaway government.
The chief bitch the AP has, is the DOJ far exceeded their approved warrant for gathering materials and are now giving the AP the finger.
Seems a little strange.[/quote]
Watch. The same people who minimized the torture in Gauntanamo and Abu Ghraib, or outright justified it, due to national security interests will be jumping all over the DOJ on this one.
I mean, if we’re going to okay torture and the killing of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and the erosion of our own personal, civil liberties for the benefit of a safer country, what’s a little erosion of the freedom of the liberal media for safety’s sake?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Watch. The same people who minimized the torture in Gauntanamo and Abu Ghraib, or outright justified it, due to national security interests will be jumping all over the DOJ on this one.[/quote]
Like Andrea Mitchell?
Equating military tactics against a foreign enemy during wartime and the government wiretapping of a supposedly free press is quite a stretch. Unless, of course there is proof that the AP has somehow become a domestic enemy.
I have my own opinions about the war, but - I don’t think you’ll find me wrapping them in a logical fallacy in order to minimize the overt raping of the 1st Amendment by a sitting president.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I thought that the freedom of the press was one of the major checks on runaway government.
The chief bitch the AP has, is the DOJ far exceeded their approved warrant for gathering materials and are now giving the AP the finger.
Seems a little strange.[/quote]
Watch. The same people who minimized the torture in Gauntanamo and Abu Ghraib, or outright justified it, due to national security interests will be jumping all over the DOJ on this one.
I mean, if we’re going to okay torture and the killing of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and the erosion of our own personal, civil liberties for the benefit of a safer country, what’s a little erosion of the freedom of the liberal media for safety’s sake? [/quote]
Not really sure how the treatment of enemy combatants has to do with the DOJ taking a steamer on the 1st ammendment.
Eric Holder throwing someone under the bus to save his a@@.
Edit: maybe I should have read a little closer. He is going to recuse himself from the investigation and allow the FBI to head it up and work with the DoJ.
This is the second time I tried to edit, but it keeps erasing it.
Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I thought that the freedom of the press was one of the major checks on runaway government.
The chief bitch the AP has, is the DOJ far exceeded their approved warrant for gathering materials and are now giving the AP the finger.
Seems a little strange.[/quote]
Watch. The same people who minimized the torture in Gauntanamo and Abu Ghraib, or outright justified it, due to national security interests will be jumping all over the DOJ on this one.
I mean, if we’re going to okay torture and the killing of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and the erosion of our own personal, civil liberties for the benefit of a safer country, what’s a little erosion of the freedom of the liberal media for safety’s sake? [/quote]
Not really sure how the treatment of enemy combatants has to do with the DOJ taking a steamer on the 1st ammendment.
[/quote]
These investigations into the AP are criminal investigations concerning the leaking of classified information, which can have the effect of hampering the war on terror since it puts agents in the field at risk and can serve to undermine future covert or undercover operations against terror cells.
The connection between this and enemy combatants is simply that fighting enemy combatants and preventing the leaking of classified information serves the same purpose in the end: fighting terrorism abroad.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I thought that the freedom of the press was one of the major checks on runaway government.
The chief bitch the AP has, is the DOJ far exceeded their approved warrant for gathering materials and are now giving the AP the finger.
Seems a little strange.[/quote]
Watch. The same people who minimized the torture in Gauntanamo and Abu Ghraib, or outright justified it, due to national security interests will be jumping all over the DOJ on this one.
I mean, if we’re going to okay torture and the killing of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and the erosion of our own personal, civil liberties for the benefit of a safer country, what’s a little erosion of the freedom of the liberal media for safety’s sake? [/quote]
Not really sure how the treatment of enemy combatants has to do with the DOJ taking a steamer on the 1st ammendment.
[/quote]
These investigations into the AP are criminal investigations [/quote]
Which according to the AP’s lawyers…investigators confiscated and refused to return thousands of documents that had nothing to do with the warrant that they presented and refuse to destroy or return.
Problem?
Take us to court?
Think Eric Holder is in deep doodoo now, used up too many lives
[quote]Hobotrader wrote:
Think Eric Holder is in deep doodoo now, used up too many lives
http://washingtonexaminer.com/huffington-post-time-for-eric-holder-to-go/article/2530445[/quote]
Yeah, at some point you have to realize Holder has to go for one of two reasons.
or
He should go. Frankly, I have absolutely no idea how the man survived in his position after Fast and Furious broke. And, then, that scandal end up being worse than we were originally told.
I think Holder is hiding dirt on Obama.
There is no political upside to keeping him in the administration.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Hobotrader wrote:
Think Eric Holder is in deep doodoo now, used up too many lives
http://washingtonexaminer.com/huffington-post-time-for-eric-holder-to-go/article/2530445[/quote]
Yeah, at some point you have to realize Holder has to go for one of two reasons.
or
He should go. Frankly, I have absolutely no idea how the man survived in his position after Fast and Furious broke. And, then, that scandal end up being worse than we were originally told.
[/quote]
Had the timing of the scandals been different, ie. if the AP or Fox story had broken before F&F, He would be facing criminal charges for the death of Brian Terry.
Soapbox time, but Barry’s entire cabinet is nothing but slightly varied iterations of Eric Holder. Wormy little bastards.
I wonder of the desire to beat Holder with a lead pipe runs strong in Rep. Issa.
Obama protected him on F&F via executive privilege