Anyone Tried Superdrol Yet?

Randman, great info. COngratulations on your progress! And thanks for the thorough write-up. In terms of PTC, I’m curious about the Alpha Male and M. I’m assuming you’re taking M on your 2 days off from Alpha Male. What made you choose this route rather than just Alpha Male every day without off days and no M as Cy recommends.

I’m definitely interested in Superdrol and it sounds like you had good results (although MAG-10 is a confound). I am leaning out right now, so it’s probaably better to wait although ordering some might be a good idea before it goes off the market. Thanks.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
In terms of PTC, I’m curious about the Alpha Male and M. I’m assuming you’re taking M on your 2 days off from Alpha Male. What made you choose this route rather than just Alpha Male every day without off days and no M as Cy recommends.
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Cy has recommended Alpha Male every day without off days and no M for pct??? I must have missed that thread. As far as I understood it, Alpha Male and M go hand-in-hand. Alpha Male increases your natural testosterone production and M is an anti-estrogen and natural testosterone producer. I personally didn’t want to take any chances and I want my natural T to E ratios increased as fast as possible. I figured 2 weeks of Alpha Male and M every day would do the trick. Then I will go move towards the normal cycling routines for each product.

[quote]
I’m definitely interested in Superdrol and it sounds like you had good results (although MAG-10 is a confound). I am leaning out right now, so it’s probaably better to wait although ordering some might be a good idea before it goes off the market. Thanks.[/quote]

You’ll definitely like your results on Superdrol.

jsbrook and others who are going to take superdrol:

since it is methylated, superdrol has had a negative effect on lipid profiles for many of those who have used it, some more than others. please be careful and be sure to get yourself some liver protectant and even some red yeast rice with CoQ10 to help with cholesterol levels while using and after use.

also, many have used fenugreek and nolvadex (40/30/20/10 or similar) during PCT as well as a natural test booster like Alpha Male.

if i am incorrect on any of this Cy, please step right in but this is what has worked well anecdotally for those who have used it. i want only the best for us on T-Nation and hopefully this will help.

(as a side note, for us PH lovers Ergomax is back for a “limited time” or until someone catches on)

[quote]randman wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
In terms of PTC, I’m curious about the Alpha Male and M. I’m assuming you’re taking M on your 2 days off from Alpha Male. What made you choose this route rather than just Alpha Male every day without off days and no M as Cy recommends.

Cy has recommended Alpha Male every day without off days and no M for pct??? I must have missed that thread. As far as I understood it, Alpha Male and M go hand-in-hand. Alpha Male increases your natural testosterone production and M is an anti-estrogen and natural testosterone producer. I personally didn’t want to take any chances and I want my natural T to E ratios increased as fast as possible. I figured 2 weeks of Alpha Male and M every day would do the trick. Then I will go move towards the normal cycling routines for each product.

I’m definitely interested in Superdrol and it sounds like you had good results (although MAG-10 is a confound). I am leaning out right now, so it’s probaably better to wait although ordering some might be a good idea before it goes off the market. Thanks.

You’ll definitely like your results on Superdrol.[/quote]

Maybe your protocol with Alpha Male and M was best. Hopefully, Cy will weight in if he sees this. I have seen him recommmend Alpha Male in the past with no cycling for a few weeks and to take M at a separte time. I think some of the confusion has to do with the old Alpha Male which lacked vitex and where you needed M and the new Alpha Male which has it. But I’m not entirely sure.

[quote]randman wrote:
Results Report As Promised

So I started MAG-10 4 for a 4 week cycle. I double-dosed the first four or so days while I waited for my Superdrol to be shipped. Originally I was just going to do a MAG-10 cycle until I read about Superdrol towards the beginning of my cycle.

So after 4 days on MAG-10, I started on 30 mg per day of Superdrol and dropped down to a single dose of MAG-10. I lasted a total of 4 weeks on this cycle (3 1/2 on Superdrol).

Believe it or not, I’ve gained 15 lbs of scale weight (definitely mostly muscle). I’m visibly bigger all over. I’ve grown out of a lot of my clothes. I had to buy all new shorts since my ass, quads, and hamstrings have grown. My jeans are finally tightening up in the leg area. My shirts that used to be loose-fitting are now tight. My strength is up in all of my lifts.

The significance of my gains is that I’m an intermediate lifter. I’m definitely not new to the iron game. I’ve been at it for 3 to 4 years now of consistent lifting. Although I did chew up too much of that time to a couple monster cutting cycles before realizing that I really needed much more size before doing one of those cycles again.

Throughout the cycle, I was hitting PR’s in my squat and incline bench almost every workout. The incline bench and the squat are the two lifts I benchmark my strength against since squats are the one of the best all around body building lifts to gain size and I’ve been focusing on my upper pecs for awhile now since this is my weakest link.

I definitely experienced the lower back pain others have reported about while on Superdrol. I had to take Advil almost every day towards the end of my cycle since it was pronounced enough. I also noticed my pee was almost always yellow, I couldn’t drink enough water to get it clear. This is also is consistent with the reports of Superdrol having a diuretic effect.

The biggest negative I experienced during this cycle was my shitty mood. I seem to get affected by any type of testosterone enhancement although I think this was a small part of the reason why I was grumpy most of the time. The biggest reason for my grumpy attitude was due to overtraining on this cycle which I typically am guilty of when going on a testosterone-enhanced bulking cycle. Add in copious amounts of stress from work during this period and it drove me well into the overtraining zone.

I was reading that stress can push you into an overtrained state and this definitely happened to me. I got to the point that my diet was affected the last week of the cycle where I didn’t want to eat, I was experiencing cold sweats, and I couldn’t get to sleep at night. So during my last week while “on”, I didn’t get any heavier, I skipped a couple of workouts and lowered my volume drastically on the last couple of workouts. Since I was still “on”, I didn’t lose any weight.

It’s been 4 full days since I’ve been “on” and I’m starting to feel better. I’m taking full dosages of Carbolin 19, Methoxy-7, Alpha Male, and M. I will do full dosages of these for 2 weeks straight. I will drop down to the normal suggested cycle of these supplements (i.e. Alpha Male 5 days on, 2 days off, etc.).

The kicker is I’m down maybe one pound post cycle which is frickin amazing!!!

I’m attributing this effect to Carbolin 19 more than the other supplements because I’ve taken the other supplements before post cycle and I have sometimes lost quite a bit of the gains I just obtained. If I can successfully keep most, if not all, of my gains post cycle when taking Carbolin 19 from now on I will be one stoked dude.

The other key part is my strength is continuing to go up post cycle so far. I just nailed 315 lbs on squats for 3 sets of 8 reps a couple of days ago which is way better than what I was doing even 1 month ago. I also nailed 225 lbs for 3 sets of 8 reps on incline barbell bench press the other day which is also a significant PR for me.

So I would say my gains were absolutely amazing but they came with an emotional price. I would consider doing the stack again but I’m going to have to be really careful about overtraining because I was a SOB and my wife won’t want to put up with it again. I also don’t know how long this Superdrol will last on the market before the feds catch up with it. So ssshhh, keep this supplement a secret!

And because I’ll probably be asked the question, I am 6’1" and weigh 221 lbs now. I’m starting to finally look like a bodybuilder (just barely). Actually for the first time last week I went out with my wife to a work party and one of her friends came up to me and started feeling me up and asking me if I worked out. Just so you know, one of my goals is for people to know without a doubt that I work out with clothes on when they see me walking down the street. I’m getting there.[/quote]

Isn’t a full cycle 2 bottles?

I had very similar results with a product called Trenobol. It’s structure is supposed to be close to Trenabolone. I ran this for 8 weeks and it helped a lot. However I’m on my last days and have seen my appetite go right in the crapper.

PCT is Power Cycle (Tribulis) and a e- blocker as well.

I think I could attribite a good 10 lbs to the Trenobol help. I will run this again, or something else like superdrol.

I am a little worried about the liver thing though since I do drink some on weekends.

I have had an opportunity to take real Winstrol tabs, but I decided not to.

I ordered some Carobolin 19 yesterday and hope this will help keep the gains I had on Trenobol.

My recommendations for not using Alpha Male with M, were in respect to the new Alpha Male which has vitex added in to it. With the new Alpha Male, as some have done, using it 5 days per week, followed by 2 days with M is fine as well. This has been discussed previously in other threads.

[quote]Cy Willson wrote:
My recommendations for not using Alpha Male with M, were in respect to the new Alpha Male which has vitex added in to it. With the new Alpha Male, as some have done, using it 5 days per week, followed by 2 days with M is fine as well. This has been discussed previously in other threads.[/quote]

Thanks-that’s what I thought. So as far as protocol for something like after taking Superdrol, would you recommend Alpha Male for a few weeks or a 5 day cycle of Alpha Male followed by 2 days of M? Or no real difference, so it would come down to personal preference?

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Cy Willson wrote:
My recommendations for not using Alpha Male with M, were in respect to the new Alpha Male which has vitex added in to it. With the new Alpha Male, as some have done, using it 5 days per week, followed by 2 days with M is fine as well. This has been discussed previously in other threads.

Thanks-that’s what I thought. So as far as protocol for something like after taking Superdrol, would you recommend Alpha Male for a few weeks or a 5 day cycle of Alpha Male followed by 2 days of M? Or no real difference, so it would come down to personal preference?
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Whichever you prefer.

[quote]Cy Willson wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Cy Willson wrote:
My recommendations for not using Alpha Male with M, were in respect to the new Alpha Male which has vitex added in to it. With the new Alpha Male, as some have done, using it 5 days per week, followed by 2 days with M is fine as well. This has been discussed previously in other threads.

Thanks-that’s what I thought. So as far as protocol for something like after taking Superdrol, would you recommend Alpha Male for a few weeks or a 5 day cycle of Alpha Male followed by 2 days of M? Or no real difference, so it would come down to personal preference?

Whichever you prefer.[/quote]

Thanks, Cy.

Does anyone know of the product similar to winni? This is a very interesting subject.

its called prostanozolol. from what i understand it is an un-methylated version of winstrol. unfortunately, thius apparently makes it much less effective than real winstrol.

I’m validating others great results with Superdrol… better than any prosteroid ever done.
Another legal compound with equally good results is Ergomax Lmg. also methylated,…and ithout the mood/lethargy issues.

[quote]trailer36 wrote:
its called prostanozolol. from what i understand it is an un-methylated version of winstrol. unfortunately, thius apparently makes it much less effective than real winstrol.[/quote]

I think it assults the hairline too.

[quote]fedaykin wrote:
Does anyone know of the product similar to winni? This is a very interesting subject.[/quote]

I’m getting ready to start a 4wk cycle of prostanozol…So far, the anecdotal reports have been favorable wrt strength gains, hardening, etc. I hate to start a thread/log here, regarding a non-Biotest product, so anyone interested in results can PM me periodically. I’m also going to use novedex XT/Alpha Male PCT. Cheers!

[quote]Gnostic wrote:
fedaykin wrote:
Does anyone know of the product similar to winni? This is a very interesting subject.

I’m getting ready to start a 4wk cycle of prostanozol…So far, the anecdotal reports have been favorable wrt strength gains, hardening, etc. I hate to start a thread/log here, regarding a non-Biotest product, so anyone interested in results can PM me periodically. I’m also going to use novedex XT/Alpha Male PCT. Cheers![/quote]

This thread was originally about non-Biotest products anyways. Plus you can post whatever you want. I’d do it, I’m interested in hearing your 4 week story.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Gnostic wrote:
I’m getting ready to start a 4wk cycle of prostanozol…So far, the anecdotal reports have been favorable wrt strength gains, hardening, etc. I hate to start a thread/log here, regarding a non-Biotest product, so anyone interested in results can PM me periodically. I’m also going to use novedex XT/Alpha Male PCT. Cheers!

This thread was originally about non-Biotest products anyways. Plus you can post whatever you want. I’d do it, I’m interested in hearing your 4 week story.

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Will do…I’m still debating whether or not to add Ergomax LMG (now called E…Max)for the first two weeks. This should be an AWESOME combo, but I really want to assess P-zol as a stand-alone. I also really like the new ATD based AI’s out there as alternatives to clomid and nolva.

[quote]Gnostic wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Gnostic wrote:
I’m getting ready to start a 4wk cycle of prostanozol…So far, the anecdotal reports have been favorable wrt strength gains, hardening, etc. I hate to start a thread/log here, regarding a non-Biotest product, so anyone interested in results can PM me periodically. I’m also going to use novedex XT/Alpha Male PCT. Cheers!

This thread was originally about non-Biotest products anyways. Plus you can post whatever you want. I’d do it, I’m interested in hearing your 4 week story.

Will do…I’m still debating whether or not to add Ergomax LMG (now called E…Max)for the first two weeks. This should be an AWESOME combo, but I really want to assess P-zol as a stand-alone. I also really like the new ATD based AI’s out there as alternatives to clomid and nolva.

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Gnostic,
be careful on this, Cy has said that these types of PCT supps do not work as they are touted to. if i was you i would add the ergomax and stick to the tried and true nolva/clomid for PCT.

[quote]trailer36 wrote:
Gnostic,
be careful on this, Cy has said that these types of PCT supps do not work as they are touted to. if i was you i would add the ergomax and stick to the tried and true nolva/clomid for PCT.[/quote]

Thx for the headsup, Trailer. It appears that Novedex XT has some descent supporting data behind it.

Poster 43
Ziegenfuss T.N., Mendel R.W., and Hofheins J.E. Safety and Efficacy of a Commercially-Available, Naturally-Occurring, Aromatase Inhibitor in Healthy Men. Ohio Research Group of
Exercise Science and Sports Nutrition. Wadsworth, Ohio 44281, USA.
tim@ohioresearchgroup.com
Rationale: In healthy eugonadal men, it is known that blocking estrogen formation stimulates the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular (HPT) axis to increase in vivo androgen production. Recently, a new class of dietary supplements has appeared that claim to inhibit the aromatase enzyme (i.e.,
decrease the transformation of aromatizable androgen[androstenedione, DHEA, testosterone] into estrogens [estriol, estrone, estradiol]), leading to an increase in androgen and testosterone formation.

Purpose: As the first step in a series of experiments on a popular, over-the-counter aromatase inhibitor, the purpose of this pilot study was to examine the effects of Novedex XT?
(NOV-XT) administration on selected hormonal responses (total testosterone [TT], bioavailable testosterone [BT] and estradiol [E2]), as well as serum and plasma markers of renal, hepatic, and hematological function.

Methods: Using an open-label, proof-of-concept design, five eugonadal men (mean ? SD age, height, weight, body fat: 31.0 ? 5.3 yr, 177.0 ? 3.8 cm, 86.6 ? 8.7 kg, 15.2 ? 5.4 %) ingested 4 capsules of NOV-XT prior to bed for 28 consecutive days. According to the manufacturer, each capsule of NOV-XT contains 60 mg of a proprietary blend of three naturally occurring aromatase inhibitors: 6, 17-keto-etiocholene-3-ol tetrahydropyranol ether, 3, 17-ketoetiochol-triene, and 3?,5,7-trihydroxy-4?-methoxyflavone (supplements were provided by an FDA registered, pharmaceutically licensed manufacturer; confirmation by an external laboratory is pending). Blood samples obtained at baseline (prior to supplementation), and at weekly intervals the reafter for 28 days, were analyzed for TT, BT, and E2 by radioimmunometric and chemilluminetric assays.

Subjects were required to maintain their normal dietary and training patterns during the study. All blood samples were obtained at the same time of day (0700-0900) to
minimize diurnal variation. Hormone concentrations were statistically analyzed by ANOVA and Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. 2 (1):1-30, 2005.

(www.sportsnutritionsociety.org)
29 Tukey?s HSD post-hoc test. Dependent t-tests were used to compare changes in blood chemistries.
Statistical significance was accepted at p<0.05. Results: Compared to baseline, NOV-XT administration rapidly and significantly increased TT and BT. Mean changes from baseline for TT(Figure 1) after one, two, three, and four weeks of NOV-XT administration were: +145%
(p<0.006), +183% (p<0.0005), +232% (p<0.0002), and +240% (p<0.0002), respectively. Mean changes from baseline for BT (Figure 2) after one, two, three, and four weeks of NOV-XT
administration were: +300% (p<0.01), +402% (p<0.0009), +511% (p<0.0002), and +528%(p<0.0002), respectively.

Despite these large increases in TT and BT, no significant aromatization
to estradiol was observed (i.e., E2 concentrations remained 3-6 pg/mL below baseline at all time
points). No statistically significant changes in clinical blood chemistries (fasting glucose, BUN,
creatinine, bilirubin, alkaline phosphatase, aspartate aminotransferase, alanine aminotransferase,
sodium, potassium, chloride, calcium, albumin, globulin, CO2, total protein, total cholesterol,
triglycerides, HDL-cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, VLDL-cholesterol) or systemic hemodynamics
(heart rate, systolic blood pressure, diastolic blood pressure) were observed, nor were any adverse events reported in the study.

Conclusions: Within the framework of the current experimental design, these preliminary data indicate that four weeks of NOV-XT administration significantly elevates serum TT and BT, likely via the inhibition of estradiol formation and the shifting of the HPT axis towards androgen/testosterone production. In healthy, eugonadal men, supplementation with NOV-XT does
not appear to result in any deleterious effects on blood chemistry or systemic hemodynamics.
Ongoing research is being conducted to confirm and refine these results in a larger sample size, as well as examine the impact of NOV-XT on androgenic and estrogenic metabolites, body
composition, and muscular performance.

Gnostic,
this is by no means challenging your data becasue obviously that proves it works but for the same price, why wouldnt you just use nolva? i am not too familiar with Rebound although i have seen many are using for PCT with these new “designer” supps. again, i am trying to learn about this product, not be a smart ass. thanks for your help as i am going to embark on an ergomax cycle before i take 10 weeks off and blast a superdrol cycle.

[quote]trailer36 wrote:
Gnostic,
this is by no means challenging your data becasue obviously that proves it works but for the same price, why wouldnt you just use nolva? i am not too familiar with Rebound although i have seen many are using for PCT with these new “designer” supps. again, i am trying to learn about this product, not be a smart ass. thanks for your help as i am going to embark on an ergomax cycle before i take 10 weeks off and blast a superdrol cycle.[/quote]

Point taken, trailer…Something I will give futher consideration too. At the risk of sounding like a shill for this product, estradiol was slashed an average of more than 50% in all subjects tested in just the 1st week. Good luck with your next SD cycle. Keep an eye on those blood lipids. I’ve seen some pretty scary post-cycle bloodwork relative to SD. Cheers!

Disclaimer: This study was funded by the manufacturer (Gaspari Nutrition).