Anyone Into Tantra?

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
The Way of the Superior Man - By David Deida, its a book more on masculinity and sexual polarity, but goes well with any tantric practice.
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That was a interesting read. It reminds me of Ayn Rand’s ideas of sexuality, especially the concepts about the feminine challenges of masculinity. In particular I think of the dynamic between Howard Roark and Dominique Francon. It’s a useful study on how an apparently dominating, masculine woman does not necessarily have a masculine sexual desire; instead she waits for a man like Roark whose masculinity is able to bring her to feminine surrender. Finding strength in the noncompletion of sexual gratification and building the tension between the two leads to a much more satisfying experience.

The human mind is powerful and complex. If one is willing to explore the subtleties and possibilities that come with manipulating the human experience, there can be much more to it than the daily doldrums of work, eat, fuck, sleep. I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says, but these are fruitful ideas to explore. Western thought is resistant to the fuzzy nature of experience, but there is good reason not to dismiss nontraditional ideas about how ones life could be.

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
Like all males, you probably learned to ejaculate with your orgasms, which is why you can’t simply think yourself into an internal orgasm at first. You have to undo the reflex you’ve built up over the years/decades. The technique I learned is called the pinching technique. To practice, you would masturbate right up until the point at which you are at the edge before your orgasm. You would then put pressure on your perineum (there should be a spot at which it feels like there a small ball or a pea, thats where you do it) with a finger or two on one hand and then on the other you would pinch the head of your penis wit your thumb and index finger (this should NOT be painful). Its best to do this just as you go over your edge (or just get your hands in the right position and then push yourself over). You most likely will not get it the first few times, which is ok, you will need to practice your timing and where to pinch, put pressure, etc. Sometimes you may even get it half way or 75%, etc. Just keep working on it. the point of doing this technique is to show your body the difference between your orgasm and ejaculation. Once you get it the first time it should be easier to do, however you will need to keep practicing before you can untrain your reflex.[/quote]

I tried this and it was great, I had an orgasm maybe 65% the strenght of an ejaculatory orgasm without losing energy. The post ejaculation syndrome are really that bad for me, usually I can’t do anything for 45 min after it, then I have near suicidal thought for the next 3 hours, then I feel like the worst chump in existence for the next 2 days and finally my energy come back gradually until 1 week has passed. Actually I did it twice, I really didn’t want to ejaculate so I pushed very hard on my perineum the whole time. I didnt really pinch the tip.

The first time the contraction were violent and I thought I would explode from the pressure. That was really a wtf moment when I felt like I was ejaculating but I wasnt. The second time I didnt push as hard, the orgasm and contraction were weaker but I lost a very small amount of fluid (when the tip of you penis becomes wet). It is really great, the horniness is gone but the energy is still there.

My only wonder is if pushing hard for a long time on the perineum or frequently is a good thing…

And sorry everyone for such expliciteness. Be sure I wouldn’t write all of this if I didn’t think I was anonym here.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
Like all males, you probably learned to ejaculate with your orgasms, which is why you can’t simply think yourself into an internal orgasm at first. You have to undo the reflex you’ve built up over the years/decades. The technique I learned is called the pinching technique. To practice, you would masturbate right up until the point at which you are at the edge before your orgasm. You would then put pressure on your perineum (there should be a spot at which it feels like there a small ball or a pea, thats where you do it) with a finger or two on one hand and then on the other you would pinch the head of your penis wit your thumb and index finger (this should NOT be painful). Its best to do this just as you go over your edge (or just get your hands in the right position and then push yourself over). You most likely will not get it the first few times, which is ok, you will need to practice your timing and where to pinch, put pressure, etc. Sometimes you may even get it half way or 75%, etc. Just keep working on it. the point of doing this technique is to show your body the difference between your orgasm and ejaculation. Once you get it the first time it should be easier to do, however you will need to keep practicing before you can untrain your reflex.[/quote]

I tried this and it was great, I had an orgasm maybe 65% the strenght of an ejaculatory orgasm without losing energy. The post ejaculation syndrome are really that bad for me, usually I can’t do anything for 45 min after it, then I have near suicidal thought for the next 3 hours, then I feel like the worst chump in existence for the next 2 days and finally my energy come back gradually until 1 week has passed. Actually I did it twice, I really didn’t want to ejaculate so I pushed very hard on my perineum the whole time. I didnt really pinch the tip.

The first time the contraction were violent and I thought I would explode from the pressure. That was really a wtf moment when I felt like I was ejaculating but I wasnt. The second time I didnt push as hard, the orgasm and contraction were weaker but I lost a very small amount of fluid (when the tip of you penis becomes wet). It is really great, the horniness is gone but the energy is still there.

My only wonder is if pushing hard for a long time on the perineum or frequently is a good thing…

And sorry everyone for such expliciteness. Be sure I wouldn’t write all of this if I didn’t think I was anonym here.[/quote]

I guess my first question is, how did it take you a week to get your energy back if I told you about this technique a few days ago? (or have you tried this before?). When you said the contractions were violent, was this in a somewhat good way or was it painful? After using the technique, did your load come oozing out or were you completely dry?

The internal orgasm at first will feel like you are coming but the pinching technique when it works should still leave you completely dry. I have had the exploding orgasm feeling before followed by and intense heat (not like a burning but more like an intense energy store) sensation. Knowing meditative techniques can help dispel the energy and/or prevent it from building up that much at the end. My first one was super intense and I tried it right before I went to bed (so obviously I had a hard time going to sleep afterwards) When you become more experienced, managing your energy will be easier.

As for pushing on your perineum, it shouldn’t be painful, that’s a given. You may not need to push as hard as you think you do, so experiment with different levels of pressure. Keep in mind that the end goal is to undo your reflex and not have to push on the perineum at all and still be able to achieve the internal orgasm.

Normally I lose my energy with regular ejaculation and it takes a week to get it back. It is really bad,and it is one of the reason I am interested in tantra. Of course I am very interested in the bigger goal but that is another story.

With this technique my energy was still there because I didn’t have a legitimate ejaculation even if I wasn’t completely dry. When I stopped pushing on the perineum 5min after the orgasm to make sure I didnt ejaculate a very small amount of fluid (like if you put your finger in a glass of water and shake it a little…) was there. No semen oozed out. The orgasm wasn’t intense at all, what I mean by exploding is the semen made alot of pressure on the perineum.

I would like to know how do I eventually make the transition between pushing on the perineum and squeezing the muscle (or having no ejaculatory reflex)? Either way I ordered the whole serie of books on aypsite.org so I guess I’ll discover it soon enough. Your help is very appreciated by the way.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Normally I lose my energy with regular ejaculation and it takes a week to get it back. It is really bad,and it is one of the reason I am interested in tantra. Of course I am very interested in the bigger goal but that is another story.

With this technique my energy was still there because I didn’t have a legitimate ejaculation even if I wasn’t completely dry. When I stopped pushing on the perineum 5min after the orgasm to make sure I didnt ejaculate a very small amount of fluid (like if you put your finger in a glass of water and shake it a little…) was there. No semen oozed out. The orgasm wasn’t intense at all, what I mean by exploding is the semen made alot of pressure on the perineum.

I would like to know how do I eventually make the transition between pushing on the perineum and squeezing the muscle (or having no ejaculatory reflex)? Either way I ordered the whole serie of books on aypsite.org so I guess I’ll discover it soon enough. Your help is very appreciated by the way.[/quote]

I haven’t gotten far enough into my practice that I don’t need to use the pinch, I would think the idea would be that you use less and less pressure as you unlearn your reflex. The book by Chia goes more into the technical details of orgasm control. I have it as an e-book, if you give me your email (you can try the pm again or just setup an new email somewhere so it won’t matter if people spam you) and I can send that to you as well as the deida books.

It seems it is not allowed to post an email adress here. I’ll try to pm you again later.

Well it seems this is a dead end. I can’t pm you directly or the mods to fix my pm and I can’t write an email account on here. This is bad, is anyone willing to shime in and help 1 established and 1 wanna-be tantrist :P?

Tantra is only good for “mixing it up” and adding variety, which is cool, but the mystical aspect is junk. Role play, blindfolds, sex games, Tantra… same ballpark.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

I tried this and it was great, I had an orgasm maybe 65% the strenght of an ejaculatory orgasm without losing energy… the horniness is gone but the energy is still there.
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What type of “energy” are you talking about? Like, you’re too tired to get up off the couch to run errands? It doesn’t look like you’re talking about libido because you mention, “the horniness is gone…”?

When you have it you have a purpose in life, you feel happier and bolder. Women feel this kind of energy in a man. It makes you have a good outlook of life and feel more connected. It’s the opposite of how a guy who wank all the time would feel.For example last day I tried the perineum push again and because of the different position it didn’t work. I just passed one the most miserable 24h in my life. If you pay attention you probably feel a little dull after ejaculating. That’s the post-ejaculation syndrome.

It is said that recreating the semen has a higher biological value than healing wounds. It take a lot of energy.

You may think I am a wuss being so sensitive to Post-ejaculatory syndrome (PES how they call it) but that’s the way it is.

[quote]BeanTown wrote:
Tantra is only good for “mixing it up” and adding variety, which is cool, but the mystical aspect is junk. Role play, blindfolds, sex games, Tantra… same ballpark.[/quote]

If you don’t get there you will never know. If you don’t have a great desire to go there you will never get there.

@jasmincar

you cant just type something in like: myname at example.com?

Also do you feel this energy drain in any other areas of your life? I do get an energy drain after ejaculation as well, but its not to the point where I need a day or even more to recover. Have you tried any form of meditative cleansing?

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
When you have it you have a purpose in life, you feel happier and bolder. Women feel this kind of energy in a man. It makes you have a good outlook of life and feel more connected. It’s the opposite of how a guy who wank all the time would feel. [/quote]

I resent that remark, lol.

I’m either having sex every day or beating off (sometimes more sex, other times more polishing the bishop). I also am aware of my connection to those around me (not just my GF) and have set an intention to strengthen that connection. That being said, I experience none of the energy drain you speak of and would be more than a little alarmed if it lasted for days and/or contributed to any misery at all.

What you call energy is most likely the hormonal interplay of oxytocin and prolactin, among others. If sex, or more specifically ejaculation, is so taxing, your body may be having trouble clearing prolactin.

Not an MD, but just a thought.

Lastly, I recommend the book Urban Tantra by Barbara Carrellas. It’s focus is on maintaining connection rather than how to stick your dick in someone for 20 hours straight.

You may want to focus more attention on the problem with losing all your energy for a week after you ejaculate. That seems like it would be a higher priority to me… That would be a big problem to me. Once? In a week? Then you can’t do it again? That’s no bueno.

All this tantric talk sounds similar to edging (but adding a mystical aspect talking about energy and such), which I read about on a PE website. Hey dreadlocks, you know anything about edging? Is it similar or related to tantra?

[quote]TDub301 wrote:
You may want to focus more attention on the problem with losing all your energy for a week after you ejaculate. That seems like it would be a higher priority to me… That would be a big problem to me. Once? In a week? Then you can’t do it again? That’s no bueno.

All this tantric talk sounds similar to edging (but adding a mystical aspect talking about energy and such), which I read about on a PE website. Hey dreadlocks, you know anything about edging? Is it similar or related to tantra?[/quote]

Tantra in general is about the mind body connection formed through mediation brought into the sexual realm. All this talk of orgasm is really just a small part of it. Edging is really just playing around your orgasmic edge (the point at which you are about to orgasm). Its just another technique, much like the internal orgasm and it can certainly fit into any tantric practice as the goal of tantra (and any form of yoga for that matter) is to be at your edge and explore. I’ve dabbled a bit with it when I was experimenting with breath and sensation. I was trying to channel the sensation I was feeling down south and move it throughout my body. Both edging and the internal orgasm can be used to create stronger orgasms, increase stamina, or enable one to have multiple orgasms, or all three. It all really depends on your personal practice and how you use the techniques. Like anything it all really depends on the practitioner and not as much the practice.

I also agree with you and Dr. Pangloss that if you’re experiencing a severe energy loss that you may have other issues either medically or meditatively (hence why I previously suggested meditative cleansing).

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
@jasmincar

you cant just type something in like: myname at example.com?

Also do you feel this energy drain in any other areas of your life? I do get an energy drain after ejaculation as well, but its not to the point where I need a day or even more to recover. Have you tried any form of meditative cleansing?[/quote]

it would be jasmincar11 on the commercial hotmail

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
@jasmincar

you cant just type something in like: myname at example.com?

Also do you feel this energy drain in any other areas of your life? I do get an energy drain after ejaculation as well, but its not to the point where I need a day or even more to recover. Have you tried any form of meditative cleansing?[/quote]

it would be jasmincar11 on the commercial hotmail
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sent some books your way

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Maybe everyone is missing out on the real sex, who knows. After all a lot of people are into anti-life, violent and overall full of crap religion, clitoris ablation, forced mariage or spending hours in a church. There is one thing I know, it is that there is a spiritual part in your brain, and it’s up to you to develop it or not.[/quote]

People who go to Church have more and better sex than those who don’t. Fact.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I like the Tundra’s good truck anybody have one?[/quote]

I’ve driven them, they are alright. i still prefer Chevy.

[quote]dreadlocks1221 wrote:
With that said, when you have a full mastery of the internal orgasm you can turn it on and off (although after you’ve achieved it, I doubt you would want to). [/quote]

I do, I want at least 10 kids, shooting for 12.

Get it?