[quote]etaco wrote:
Allah or burn, Jesus or burn- when does it end? If only there was a pit deep enough.[/quote]
There is.
It’s called “Hell”.
[quote]extol7extol wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
extol7extol wrote:
A whole lot of text dripping with indignation about a passage I quoted word for word from the Book of Matthew.
Varqanir, why are you misquoting me above? I never said that. Those are not my words.[/quote]
Oh, I beg your pardon, I thought you realized that I was not quoting you there, but simply giving a synopsis of what you had written.
Generally, when responding to a post as long as yours, and one to which I am not addressing piece-by-piece, I refrain from quoting the entire post, as a courtesy to those who would have to scroll past a foot and a half of grey text.
However, as a courtesy to you, my friend, and to any who may care to re-read what you had to say about my ignorant assertions, scriptural perversions, and how every religion in the world except your particular brand of Christianity is headed toward eternal fiery damnation, here is a link to your previous post.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1234889&pageNo=1#1247010
[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
Sorry but I can’t consider you to be a Christian. Your posts are full of hatred, intolerance and ignorance. Thats that opposite of the trademarks of a true Christian.[/quote]
What? You don’t think I’m a Christian? My, what a hateful thing to say. You are showing no tolerance toward my intolerance of evil. Why, how intolerant of you. You are woefully ignorant of the Scripture that says:
Woe to those who say to evil, good; and to good, evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
(Isaiah 5:20)
Among many other things, Islam denies that Jesus Christ is God. This is evil. But you say it is “beautiful.” You are disgusting and vile to say such a blasphemous thing about a religion that is so antithetical to Christ and His claims. Woe to you Shoebolt, who say to evil, good; and to good, evil.
[quote]extol7extol wrote:
Woe to those who say to evil, good; and to good, evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
(Isaiah 5:20)
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And all this time I thought Isaiah was commenting on how people took their coffee. Thanks for clearing that up.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
So your Christianity can beat up everyone elses Christianity?That seems to be the thrust of your argument,or maybe I got it wrong.[/quote]
You got it wrong.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Isn’t it just a bit presumptious on your part to think that you have it all figured out and everyone else is mistaken?
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It’s not presumptuous at all to believe what the Bible teaches about the Person and Work of Jesus Christ:
Jesus Christ is the God-Man Mediator whose death demands and ensures the salvation of all for whom He died. And thus all those for whom He did NOT die will go to hell. Not very difficult to understand that. It is so simple a child can understand it.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Virgin = timid, clumsy, inexperienced.
Gimme 40 sluts who swallow and aren’t afraid of being spanked.
But even then, I still wouldn’t convert. I can get sluts on my own just fine, and the no alcohol thing is a definite deal-breaker.[/quote]
You need the alcohol or you couldn’t get the sluts.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
You need the alcohol or you couldn’t get the sluts.[/quote]
SSSSHHHH!!!
Don’t give it away, bro.
Might I add some perspective here…
Christian fundamentalism…
Before we subside to this horseshit vast awray of hate mongruls and simple fiends to media ploys lets resurrect a little history here. I like to think experience is the best teacher.
Can we guess who said this?
[quote]extol7extol wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
So your Christianity can beat up everyone elses Christianity?That seems to be the thrust of your argument,or maybe I got it wrong.
You got it wrong.
Neuromancer wrote:
Isn’t it just a bit presumptious on your part to think that you have it all figured out and everyone else is mistaken?
It’s not presumptuous at all to believe what the Bible teaches about the Person and Work of Jesus Christ:
Jesus Christ is the God-Man Mediator whose death demands and ensures the salvation of all for whom He died. And thus all those for whom He did NOT die will go to hell. Not very difficult to understand that. It is so simple a child can understand it.
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So that would be why you say that only your particular narrow minded view is assured of salvation?Explain to me how I got it wrong,don’t just tell me.
You don’t know what presumptious means.Your version is just that,your viewpoint.That doesn’t move you closer in any way whatsoever to being the sole arbiter of what is the truth.You may be right.You may also be wrong.
Just because it’s happening in your head doesn’t make it interesting,or correct.
So yes,you are presumptious.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
I’m converting to Islam just for the 40 virgins, but I’m requesting them in advance.
They only promised you forty? You got gypped, man! The going rate is forty-seven!
Hey Doogie…forty-seven doe-eyed maidens of Paradise has gotta trump bacon, wouldn’t ya say?
But bacon tastes good.
Pork chops taste good.[/quote]
And don’t forget ham!Parma ham…hmmmmmm
I am a Muslim and from Saudi Arabia, I hear a lot of people around the world that any Muslim country ( specially Saudi Arabia ) is a very dangers place for non Muslims, strangely I know a lot of non Muslims here and they love the place very much, they say that it is safe place to raze your children and a safe place on your life. Yes some Americans were killed here but how many Americans were killed in there on country?
Most people think that is you are in Saudi Arabia you have to hide your self because if any one see you on the street he will kill you and walk away! The law here is by Allah ( God ) if you kill some one innocent then you will be killed. In the US if you kill some one and confess you will get 10 years jail and 5 if you behave, or if you have a good lawyer then you my get away with it.
People you only know Islam from the media, if you what to know what is Islam you shod read the Holy Koran. Pleas open your minds I am not telling you to love Muslims just know how they are first before you criticize them for some thing you herd and not shor about.
[quote]nobody wrote:
I am a Muslim and from Saudi Arabia, I hear a lot of people around the world that any Muslim country ( specially Saudi Arabia ) is a very dangers place for non Muslims, strangely I know a lot of non Muslims here and they love the place very much, they say that it is safe place to raze your children and a safe place on your life. Yes some Americans were killed here but how many Americans were killed in there on country?
Most people think that is you are in Saudi Arabia you have to hide your self because if any one see you on the street he will kill you and walk away! The law here is by Allah ( God ) if you kill some one innocent then you will be killed. In the US if you kill some one and confess you will get 10 years jail and 5 if you behave, or if you have a good lawyer then you my get away with it.
People you only know Islam from the media, if you what to know what is Islam you shod read the Holy Koran. Pleas open your minds I am not telling you to love Muslims just know how they are first before you criticize them for some thing you herd and not shor about.
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Thank you for your post… around here we are always able open our minds to hear a differing point of view, because we are concerned with getting a good mix of ideas and good information.
Can you confirm or deny what this link below contains?
It is a story from MSNBC that ran four days ago, outlining how Saudi religious police have outlawed pet dogs and cats because they are an infidel western influence and “unclean”.
I was also curious if you could confirm or deny that there was a man in your home country who was executed in 1997 for allegedly practicing witchcraft against his boss. His name was Abd al-Karim Mara`i al-Naqshabandi.
It is difficult to believe that stuff like this happens in the modern world, but we only know what we can learn from various media sources. Most of us here would much rather have someone with personal experience set the record straight.
Thank you again.
[quote]nobody wrote:
I am a Muslim and from Saudi Arabia, I hear a lot of people around the world that any Muslim country ( specially Saudi Arabia ) is a very dangers place for non Muslims, strangely I know a lot of non Muslims here and they love the place very much, they say that it is safe place to raze your children and a safe place on your life. Yes some Americans were killed here but how many Americans were killed in there on country?
Most people think that is you are in Saudi Arabia you have to hide your self because if any one see you on the street he will kill you and walk away! The law here is by Allah ( God ) if you kill some one innocent then you will be killed. In the US if you kill some one and confess you will get 10 years jail and 5 if you behave, or if you have a good lawyer then you my get away with it.
People you only know Islam from the media, if you what to know what is Islam you shod read the Holy Koran. Pleas open your minds I am not telling you to love Muslims just know how they are first before you criticize them for some thing you herd and not shor about.
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Assaalamu 'alaikum, nobody.
Well, I have never been to your country, but I have spent a considerable amount of time in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world in terms of population.
As you may be aware, the Islam practiced in Indonesia is for the most part a much milder variety than the Wahhabism practiced in Saudi Arabia, but I spent several weeks touring Aceh province, which ideologically is much closer to Mecca than to Jakarta.
Aceh is avoided by many tourists because here Shari’a is enforced as much as possible. Here you still find thieves flogged, murderers hanged and adulterers stoned to death…at least you did in the 70s and 80s.
Needless to say, if one enjoys drinking and smoking, and likes to gamble, use drugs and chase sluts, then Aceh probably won’t be too much fun.
As an American Christian travelling to Aceh during the height of the first Gulf War, I was a little nervous upon entering rural towns and admitting to people my nationality and religion, two things the locals will always ask you within two minutes of meeting you. My trepidition was unjustified, though, as was Aceh’s bad reputation, for I found the Acehnese to be some of the most honest, friendly and genuinely good people of all that I encountered in Indonesia.
Many people initially looked askance upon discovering that that I was American (a few folks even muttered “ooohhh…George Bush!!” in the same tone of voice that an American might mutter “oooohhh, Osama bin Laden!!”), but upon discovering that I could speak their language, and even a few words of Arabic, and was not hostile toward their customs or their faith, they treated me as a brother.
I contrasted this experience to my previous month in North Sumatra, among the Bataks, many of whom were the connivingest, most dishonest, most racist, most likely to rob you at knifepoint SOBs I have ever met (and I used to live in South Central LA). I am sorry to say that the Bataks are Christian.
The experience taught me that not all stereotypes are true, that there are good people everywhere, and that one can be devout without being a zealot. Something that some members of all faiths might do well to keep in mind.
Fi amanillah.
lothario1132:
thank you for your replay, the religion of Islam seas that you can own a dog for hunting and for guarding only!!! As for cats you can have a pet cat one of the followers of the profit Muhammad used to carry cat with him all the time and the profit did no forbid him. And way there are a lot of pet shops here you can own a hamster, dove, a snake or a dog if like.
As for witchcraft, yes they are killed! Witchcraft happens a lot and I have seen some of it, I know some one how have been sick because of it ( it happens you can ask national geographic if you like ).
Thank you for asking.
Varqanir:
Thank you for telling us your experience, hope folly people will understand that not all Muslims are bad so are Christians.
Not to hijack but: Could all of this Islam stuff be a resumption of the conquest of the west? After being stopped at the gates of Vienna (mostly by Polish peasants), wasn’t it Suleiman (spelling?) who swore Islam would ‘be back’? Maybe all this shit is the resumption of this. Europe has been weakened by 2 world wars, the people are now very pacifist, the USA is unpopular. Could this be ‘The (Ottoman) Empire Strikes Back’?
Just curious.
[quote]nobody wrote:
lothario1132:
thank you for your replay, the religion of Islam seas that you can own a dog for hunting and for guarding only!!! As for cats you can have a pet cat one of the followers of the profit Muhammad used to carry cat with him all the time and the profit did no forbid him. And way there are a lot of pet shops here you can own a hamster, dove, a snake or a dog if like.
As for witchcraft, yes they are killed! Witchcraft happens a lot and I have seen some of it, I know some one how have been sick because of it ( it happens you can ask national geographic if you like ).
Thank you for asking.
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So it’s for real, and not just media BS. Thanks for writing back, nobody!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Not to hijack but: Could all of this Islam stuff be a resumption of the conquest of the west? After being stopped at the gates of Vienna (mostly by Polish peasants), wasn’t it Suleiman (spelling?) who swore Islam would ‘be back’? Maybe all this shit is the resumption of this. Europe has been weakened by 2 world wars, the people are now very pacifist, the USA is unpopular. Could this be ‘The (Ottoman) Empire Strikes Back’?
Just curious.[/quote]
Yes … spot on mate.
Allow me to point out how very proud I am to see there are some level headed T-men who if dont care for either side at least recognize the faults of each.
Understand that the Muslim world is highly secular, and blur the lines of church and state vehemently. Im speaking about the Middle East muslim world on that. This isnt necessarily bad however. In Europe, where I am from, taxes are taken out of everyones checks that are a manditory tithe to the church (Catholic, at least 10 percent). I have no problem with this. As a matter of fact, I wouldnt mind it done here in the USA. What I do have a problem with is how very blind both sides tend to be when comparing eachother. European Christians are very much unlike American midwest/southern christians. Europeans tend to be more liberal, sophisticated, and philosophical in their practices. I read a report in The Economist about the myth and reality of Islam in Europe, and from what I gathered, the problem is more social then spiritual. Im mentioning this because there are bigger problems in the world then concerns over faith, and the Europeans recognize this. It seems to me, the south and mid west, well, dont. Im not bashing and I mean this with respect when I say we can all learn a little and tolerate a little more.