Anybody Beat The Odds?

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There has been a lot of posts about the type of of shape a person should be in before cycling AAS! This includes everything from BF%,Diet and Training, to reaching genetic potential!

I do believe that a person should have a resonable knowlege of AAS and experience in all of the above named items before even considering a cycle!

My question is, has anyone ever cycled despite these items and beat the odds? For example, has anyone had a high bodyfat % before cycling and afterwards had a pretty lean and muscular body?

Or, has anyone not had their diet in great order before cycling and while cycling made decent gains, maybe because of managing to get their diet in order while on?

This question stems from actually seeing in person, people who have completely transformed their bodys in 8-12 weeks from cycling AAS, regardless of what they had done or their body shape before ever using AAS!!!

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What are your stats? Sounds to me like you just delivered a tutorial on how you are not in shape and want to run a cycle so you can completely transform your body

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WOW!!! Its funny you would say that! Its weird because I thought to myself while writing this that someone would think that this is what I was trying to do!!

Quite the contray Jay-B! Ive already posted some threads with my stats and have already received great advice about what I should and/or need to be doing concerning my diet, training, and cycling!

Again, my question derives from seeing in person, people who have completely transformed their bodys in 8-12 weeks from cycling AAS, regardless of what they had done or their body shape before ever using AAS!!! Or did you read that part?

Since most would not recommend this approach to AAS use, (and I understand some reasons why for the most part)I wondered why i had seen this approach used and be just as successful as the recommended approach!

Im simply asking for informational purposes so that I can greaten my level of knowlege concerning the use of AAS!

Just so no one else misconstrues this, I have already made my decision about the use of AAS to aquire my goals! However, If and/or when I decide to do so, I will take the advice of the vets on here and do so in a safe and respectable manner!!!

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I have heard of many anecdotal stories like this from friends around the country, and witnessed two people do it in person.

The first guy was extremely fit before starting, but very lean. I didn’t know anything about steroids at the time (I was 18, he was 19) so I didn’t think anything against his usage, and I figured his gains were par for the course. He went from 155 or so at a very low bodyfat % to 175 or maybe even 180 with about at about 10%.

The second guy was older than me (at least 30) and was skinny-fat (his arms were probably 13" pumped, pot belly). His gains were not as dramatic as the last guy I mentioned, but I suspect his diet was total shit (I overheard that he often skipped breakfast). Still, he gained a fair amount of muscle and his gut looked better, and he only used for about 8 weeks.

These are rare occurances though, the majority of people who are too fat or too skinny are the “hey I got some Dianabol brah” types. If you don’t make gains before taking steroids, you won’t magically start making gains while on.

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I’ve seen that too and I don’t totally believe that if you aren’t “ready” aas will be a waste. I’ve seen screw offs take them and make good gains by training like madmen while on and eating a ton of whatever. They were not very big or experineced before they jumped in.

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Back in the 80’s when we and my pals started messin’ with gear…we had NO IDEA what we were doing. We just took whatever the local source was recommending at the time.
Heck, some of us even ‘split’(shared) cycles to save some cash!

Anyway…my one pal was skinny-fat with big pecs & bulging biceps -that’s all he ever trained. Bench and Bi’s - Bench and Bi’s
His AAS use just made him a bigger version of what he already was.

Another pal was athletic, lean and fairly muscular. He only trained as hard as he needed to. He never seemed to expel much energy in the gym.
He too, simply became a larger version of what he already was.

And yet another pal was training to become a bodybuilder. He ate, slept, dreamt and lived it. He seemed to step up his training and diet efforts all around (which were Herculean to begin with) with his AAS use.
He started competing regionally -then nationally and did quite well.
He just became a larger version of what he already was.

Me?
Same thing.
I was always athletic and large -a very big boy. 280# my high school senior year -offensive and defensive line. SHeavyweight wrestler etc…
I got up to 325# after a couple half-assed cycles. Big and strong…just like I was before -only larger.

Gear is not going to change anyone -or make them look like a bodybuilder if they already aren’t.

Gear will just make you a larger version of what you already are…for a while.

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[quote]AlterEgo wrote:
Gear will just make you a larger version of what you already are…for a while.[/quote]

For the type of people being discussed in this thread, this is completely true. Even if they follow proper PCT, they immediately want to cut down to show off their gains. The body has a last on first off mentality, so of course they lose whatever they maintained through PCT.

I’m well into PCT and have lost nothing (though I wasn’t carrying any water weight while on cycle due to high Arimidex dosages), fingers crossed.

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[quote]FitnessFan wrote:
AlterEgo wrote:
Gear will just make you a larger version of what you already are…for a while.

For the type of people being discussed in this thread, this is completely true. Even if they follow proper PCT, they immediately want to cut down to show off their gains. The body has a last on first off mentality, so of course they lose whatever they maintained through PCT.

I’m well into PCT and have lost nothing (though I wasn’t carrying any water weight while on cycle due to high Arimidex dosages), fingers crossed. [/quote]

Completely true.

I was also referring to the fact that all of this is only temporary; that we grow -mature -peak -decline -then die.
There’s a lot of variance to be had amongst those cold hard existential truths. But ultimately life is temporary.

Be the best you can be -or don’t. Who cares?

It really only matters to you.
How much does it really matter to you what your friend or neighbor does? I mean REALLY matter?
Not much, I’d say.

Just get on with it already.

Whoa…
Got a little philosophical there.

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Ok, take a guy who is maybe around 200-215 lbs. Bodyfat percentage in the upper teens in which he holds mostly around his mid section. Not very fat, but not really any defining muscular lines and when clothed, appears to be thin.

He also has a few years of experience in the gym and knows how to train hard! His diet is decent but could be better!

If this person carefully puts a cycle together, trains very hard while on, eats very clean while on, and does correct PCT, wouldnt he be able to transform his body into being more muscular with a less bodyfat percentage?

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Ok, take a guy who is maybe around 200-215 lbs. Bodyfat percentage in the upper teens in which he holds mostly around his mid section. Not very fat, but not really any defining muscular lines and when clothed, appears to be thin.

He also has a few years of experience in the gym and knows how to train hard! His diet is decent but could be better!

If this person carefully puts a cycle together, trains very hard while on, eats very clean while on, and does correct PCT, wouldnt he be able to transform his body into being more muscular with a less bodyfat percentage?

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[quote]AlterEgo wrote:
Back in the 80’s when we and my pals started messin’ with gear…we had NO IDEA what we were doing. We just took whatever the local source was recommending at the time.
Heck, some of us even ‘split’(shared) cycles to save some cash!

Anyway…my one pal was skinny-fat with big pecs & bulging biceps -that’s all he ever trained. Bench and Bi’s - Bench and Bi’s
His AAS use just made him a bigger version of what he already was.

Another pal was athletic, lean and fairly muscular. He only trained as hard as he needed to. He never seemed to expel much energy in the gym.
He too, simply became a larger version of what he already was.

And yet another pal was training to become a bodybuilder. He ate, slept, dreamt and lived it. He seemed to step up his training and diet efforts all around (which were Herculean to begin with) with his AAS use.
He started competing regionally -then nationally and did quite well.
He just became a larger version of what he already was.

Me?
Same thing.
I was always athletic and large -a very big boy. 280# my high school senior year -offensive and defensive line. SHeavyweight wrestler etc…
I got up to 325# after a couple half-assed cycles. Big and strong…just like I was before -only larger.

Gear is not going to change anyone -or make them look like a bodybuilder if they already aren’t.

Gear will just make you a larger version of what you already are…for a while.[/quote]

Great post.

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[quote]Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
There has been a lot of posts about the type of of shape a person should be in before cycling AAS! This includes everything from BF%,Diet and Training, to reaching genetic potential!

I do believe that a person should have a resonable knowlege of AAS and experience in all of the above named items before even considering a cycle!

My question is, has anyone ever cycled despite these items and beat the odds? For example, has anyone had a high bodyfat % before cycling and afterwards had a pretty lean and muscular body?

Or, has anyone not had their diet in great order before cycling and while cycling made decent gains, maybe because of managing to get their diet in order while on?

This question stems from actually seeing in person, people who have completely transformed their bodys in 8-12 weeks from cycling AAS, regardless of what they had done or their body shape before ever using AAS!!!
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Two cases I personally know:

My best friend. Mac truck body. Didn’t know $hit about training. Injects test like it is candy. Blows up but completely fat. Everything in hell brakes loose, cholesterol, liver, heart. I urge him to slow down and he listens. When he tries to diet down everything comes in perspective. No symetry whatsoever. Has spent the last 10 years bringing his legs up to par. Calves will never catch up in this lifetime.

Second case:
Guy used to be my friend. Asks about gear. I tell him what I know. He doesn’t care about diet. He says I know jack$hit about anything and proceeds to take dbol, test, gh and any other. shit he can get. About 170 when he starts. Reaches top weight about 4 years ago at 260. Looks just gross with 40 inch waist at 5’10. Last thing I heard doctors had ordered him to loose weight because his heart had enlarged and had arrythmia. Now he can’t eat any meat because uric acid problems.

The issue with lowering bodyfat before cycling is just a foolproof method of ensuring no mayor problems. In my time we all had direct contact with guidance of older trainers and it was more like an apprenticeship. We did and received feedback. If we looked like $hit we changed things. Add here, stop working another part over there. Increase cardio, reduce cardio, etc, etc.

Now things have changed and no one listens to anyone anymore and we are seeing the results of no guidance.

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[quote]Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
Ok, take a guy who is maybe around 200-215 lbs. Bodyfat percentage in the upper teens in which he holds mostly around his mid section. Not very fat, but not really any defining muscular lines and when clothed, appears to be thin.

He also has a few years of experience in the gym and knows how to train hard! His diet is decent but could be better!

If this person carefully puts a cycle together, trains very hard while on, eats very clean while on, and does correct PCT, wouldnt he be able to transform his body into being more muscular with a less bodyfat percentage?
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IMHO bodyweight is the least analythical weigh of knowing if someone knows how to train or not. For your hypothetical example doesn’t make a lot of sense. If the “guy” doesn’t look like he lifts clothed it will be difficult to say that he has acquired the necessary muscle mass to start.

A few years in the gym doesn’t equate experience either. Dieting for growth and dieting for definition is experience.

The result of this guy would be that yes he could put some muscle and loose some bodyfat, but…

  1. What is “very clean eating” if he hasn’t been able to do it consistently natural? Maybe his definition of very clean is not good for his body and he doesn’t know it yet.

  2. The appearance of thinness over clothes is also an indication that “this guy” hasn’t found the training methods that work best for him.

IME a person that doesn’t know the meaning of consistency and how to manage rest, nutrition and training will be dissapointed when pct time comes and the muscle mass gained through the AAS slowly gets eaten away because of lack of nutrition and training knowledge.

This is what makes abusers because they can’t go off.

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[quote]Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
Ok, take a guy who is maybe around 200-215 lbs. Bodyfat percentage in the upper teens in which he holds mostly around his mid section. Not very fat, but not really any defining muscular lines and when clothed, appears to be thin.

He also has a few years of experience in the gym and knows how to train hard! His diet is decent but could be better!

If this person carefully puts a cycle together, trains very hard while on, eats very clean while on, and does correct PCT, wouldnt he be able to transform his body into being more muscular with a less bodyfat percentage?

[/quote]

Just so I am reading this right,

“a guy” = Jazz_Man1898
“He” = Jazz_Man1898
“this person” = Jazz_Man1898
Reason this thread was written = Can Jazz_Man1898 do a
cycle?

There we go, much clearer…

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[quote]AlterEgo wrote:

Be the best you can be -or don’t. Who cares?

It really only matters to you.
How much does it really matter to you what your friend or neighbor does? I mean REALLY matter?
Not much, I’d say.

Just get on with it already.

Whoa…
Got a little philosophical there.[/quote]

I love simple philosophy. When I hear people talk about wanting to get in better shape or something or not having the motivation I like to try and help them a little but often times I find myself thinking along these lines. Do it if you want to, if you don’t want it that bad then don’t. I don’t care.

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Thanks guys for the information! It definately helps a lot in understanding how AAS really works!

Here again I find myself explaining why Im asking these particular questions because someone (MrZsasz) wants to put me in the example that I gave and ASSume that Im asking can I do A cycle!

Well If you notice, the person that I described previously falls into the average category of people in the US as described by the census! These are the type of people we see everyday… AVERAGE (as far as weight, diet, and training are concerned).

So I was wondering what the result of a average person, with the stats above, would be on a cycle of AAS who was able to eat clean(as defined by most vets), train hard as defined by most vets), and get proper rest while on!

Thats it! Nothing more, nothing less! Now, if anyone else has some input or knowlege on this question please feel free to jump in please!

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
Just so I am reading this right,

“a guy” = Jazz_Man1898
“He” = Jazz_Man1898
“this person” = Jazz_Man1898
Reason this thread was written = Can Jazz_Man1898 do a
cycle?

There we go, much clearer…[/quote]

LOL!

And I only write that when I actually do!

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If the average person starts training hard, eating good and sleeping well he should see good results. If he does those things and uses steroids he should see very good results.

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Thanks to most of you, especially Pretzel Logic, for your info and feedback. Now I am one day futher into understanding AAS and how they work!!! I will be posting up some plans soon and will be looking forward to all of your input! Thanks again!!

Jazz

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Also, anyone else that wants to chime in, please do so! Id like to hear a few words about this from the vets if possible!!

Jazz