Any Thoughts on Casey Anthony

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I did some reading on this case last night as I generally don’t follow high profile cases. I think you’re right that there was enough for manslaughter. The big question mark is the whole computer search for choloroform. The evidence showed that SOMEONE in that household did the search but the prosecution could not prove it was Casey. The mother lied about it, and I don’t buy her story - if she was worried that her dogs were eating plants you search “dog eats plant” not “chlorophyll” and then accidentally hit the search results for “chloroform.” My theory of the case, based on what little I know and pure speculation, was that Casey’s father, George, did it. He was sexually molesting Caylee, and when Caylee became old enough to speak, he realized she would tell on him, so he killed her. He then told Casey that he killed her, but also told her that if she turned him in he would throw her under the bus and tell the cops that she was the one who did it. So she kept her mouth shut, and partied and acted like nothing happened. That’s just as likely as anything. However, if that’s the case, then Casey is part of a conspiracy, among other things.

This was an emotionally-charged high profile case. When a little kid dies, everyone thinks that someone needs to go to jail for, and don’t really care who. Someone in that house killed that little girl - the evidence simply couldn’t establish who.

What pisses me off about high profile cases is that if the result is not what people expected then suddenly the entire system is fucked up. Wrong. We need to look at the big picture here - there are thousands of criminal cases filed every year that are handled correctly. Overall, the system works well. Once in a while you’re going to get a difficult case like this. But you don’t go changing a system that works well overall just because of ONE bad emotionally-charged case. And if the system is going to make an error I’d rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent person go to jail. But what the hell do I know - I’m just a dumb tax attorney.[/quote]

No offense Mike, but I hope your accounting skills are better than your critical thinking skills.

This system let my former roommate who got away with nearly $100 million and served less than 4 yrs in Federal prison with me.

LULZ @ thinking the “system works well most of the time.”

Just imagine all those Wall Street goons who walked away with your money, then cried boo and the government gave them more !

It’s no wonder these people are laughing at you, laughing at the weakness in the country. Iceland indicted it’s prime minister for direct involvement in reckless bank lending. Time we become Iceland. [/quote]

You and your roommate tried to steal 100M dollars?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I did some reading on this case last night as I generally don’t follow high profile cases. I think you’re right that there was enough for manslaughter. The big question mark is the whole computer search for choloroform. The evidence showed that SOMEONE in that household did the search but the prosecution could not prove it was Casey. The mother lied about it, and I don’t buy her story - if she was worried that her dogs were eating plants you search “dog eats plant” not “chlorophyll” and then accidentally hit the search results for “chloroform.” My theory of the case, based on what little I know and pure speculation, was that Casey’s father, George, did it. He was sexually molesting Caylee, and when Caylee became old enough to speak, he realized she would tell on him, so he killed her. He then told Casey that he killed her, but also told her that if she turned him in he would throw her under the bus and tell the cops that she was the one who did it. So she kept her mouth shut, and partied and acted like nothing happened. That’s just as likely as anything. However, if that’s the case, then Casey is part of a conspiracy, among other things.

This was an emotionally-charged high profile case. When a little kid dies, everyone thinks that someone needs to go to jail for, and don’t really care who. Someone in that house killed that little girl - the evidence simply couldn’t establish who.

What pisses me off about high profile cases is that if the result is not what people expected then suddenly the entire system is fucked up. Wrong. We need to look at the big picture here - there are thousands of criminal cases filed every year that are handled correctly. Overall, the system works well. Once in a while you’re going to get a difficult case like this. But you don’t go changing a system that works well overall just because of ONE bad emotionally-charged case. And if the system is going to make an error I’d rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent person go to jail. But what the hell do I know - I’m just a dumb tax attorney.[/quote]

No offense Mike, but I hope your accounting skills are better than your critical thinking skills.

This system let my former roommate who got away with nearly $100 million and served less than 4 yrs in Federal prison with me.

LULZ @ thinking the “system works well most of the time.”

Just imagine all those Wall Street goons who walked away with your money, then cried boo and the government gave them more !

It’s no wonder these people are laughing at you, laughing at the weakness in the country. Iceland indicted it’s prime minister for direct involvement in reckless bank lending. Time we become Iceland. [/quote]

So let’s see - you’re basing your judgment on a sample size of 2: the Casey Anthony case and your roommate’s case. I’ve read literally thousands of criminal cases (not doing tax yet; currently in legal publishing) and the vast majority of those cases were handled competently. So yeah, I’m going to stand by my statement that the system works most of the time.

BTW - Did your roommate have to pay any of that $100M back in restitution? In the context of white collar crime, I believe it’s more important to pay as much money back as possible rather than impose lengthy prison sentences, although both would be nice. Restitution is a big component of financial crimes. A guy sitting in prison does no good for the little old lady who lost all of her retirement savings.

Finally, a defendant’s cooperation is also taken into account when calculating sentences. If your roommate knew information that implicated others in the scam and he assisted with the investigation, the prosecution no doubt cut him some slack. That’s plenty fair.

Care to make any other comments about my thinking ability?

In my town they let a gang member murderer, who admitted to killing several people, immunity because he helped the feds make a case against a mob boss.

anyhow, what’s your opinion on 3 strikes laws? I think the law sucks. Just a way to make money to perpetuate the system and ensure job security.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
In my town they let a gang member murderer, who admitted to killing several people, immunity because he helped the feds make a case against a mob boss.
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Take that up with the feds and prosecutors.

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anyhow, what’s your opinion on 3 strikes laws? I think the law sucks. Just a way to make money to perpetuate the system and ensure job security.[/quote]

It takes the power of sentencing out of the hands of the judges. Its retarded.

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
In my town they let a gang member murderer, who admitted to killing several people, immunity because he helped the feds make a case against a mob boss.
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Take that up with the feds and prosecutors.

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The Feds cut deals with anyone they can to get who they really want. There’s a similar case starting tomorrow, but instead of a small time crack dealer, they cut deals with county judges, commissioners and other crooked officials to get the big fish.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I did some reading on this case last night as I generally don’t follow high profile cases. I think you’re right that there was enough for manslaughter. The big question mark is the whole computer search for choloroform. The evidence showed that SOMEONE in that household did the search but the prosecution could not prove it was Casey. The mother lied about it, and I don’t buy her story - if she was worried that her dogs were eating plants you search “dog eats plant” not “chlorophyll” and then accidentally hit the search results for “chloroform.” My theory of the case, based on what little I know and pure speculation, was that Casey’s father, George, did it. He was sexually molesting Caylee, and when Caylee became old enough to speak, he realized she would tell on him, so he killed her. He then told Casey that he killed her, but also told her that if she turned him in he would throw her under the bus and tell the cops that she was the one who did it. So she kept her mouth shut, and partied and acted like nothing happened. That’s just as likely as anything. However, if that’s the case, then Casey is part of a conspiracy, among other things.

This was an emotionally-charged high profile case. When a little kid dies, everyone thinks that someone needs to go to jail for, and don’t really care who. Someone in that house killed that little girl - the evidence simply couldn’t establish who.

What pisses me off about high profile cases is that if the result is not what people expected then suddenly the entire system is fucked up. Wrong. We need to look at the big picture here - there are thousands of criminal cases filed every year that are handled correctly. Overall, the system works well. Once in a while you’re going to get a difficult case like this. But you don’t go changing a system that works well overall just because of ONE bad emotionally-charged case. And if the system is going to make an error I’d rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent person go to jail. But what the hell do I know - I’m just a dumb tax attorney.[/quote]

No offense Mike, but I hope your accounting skills are better than your critical thinking skills.

This system let my former roommate who got away with nearly $100 million and served less than 4 yrs in Federal prison with me.

LULZ @ thinking the “system works well most of the time.”

Just imagine all those Wall Street goons who walked away with your money, then cried boo and the government gave them more !

It’s no wonder these people are laughing at you, laughing at the weakness in the country. Iceland indicted it’s prime minister for direct involvement in reckless bank lending. Time we become Iceland. [/quote]

You and your roommate tried to steal 100M dollars?
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My roommate DID steal $100 million, not me.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I did some reading on this case last night as I generally don’t follow high profile cases. I think you’re right that there was enough for manslaughter. The big question mark is the whole computer search for choloroform. The evidence showed that SOMEONE in that household did the search but the prosecution could not prove it was Casey. The mother lied about it, and I don’t buy her story - if she was worried that her dogs were eating plants you search “dog eats plant” not “chlorophyll” and then accidentally hit the search results for “chloroform.” My theory of the case, based on what little I know and pure speculation, was that Casey’s father, George, did it. He was sexually molesting Caylee, and when Caylee became old enough to speak, he realized she would tell on him, so he killed her. He then told Casey that he killed her, but also told her that if she turned him in he would throw her under the bus and tell the cops that she was the one who did it. So she kept her mouth shut, and partied and acted like nothing happened. That’s just as likely as anything. However, if that’s the case, then Casey is part of a conspiracy, among other things.

This was an emotionally-charged high profile case. When a little kid dies, everyone thinks that someone needs to go to jail for, and don’t really care who. Someone in that house killed that little girl - the evidence simply couldn’t establish who.

What pisses me off about high profile cases is that if the result is not what people expected then suddenly the entire system is fucked up. Wrong. We need to look at the big picture here - there are thousands of criminal cases filed every year that are handled correctly. Overall, the system works well. Once in a while you’re going to get a difficult case like this. But you don’t go changing a system that works well overall just because of ONE bad emotionally-charged case. And if the system is going to make an error I’d rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent person go to jail. But what the hell do I know - I’m just a dumb tax attorney.[/quote]

No offense Mike, but I hope your accounting skills are better than your critical thinking skills.

This system let my former roommate who got away with nearly $100 million and served less than 4 yrs in Federal prison with me.

LULZ @ thinking the “system works well most of the time.”

Just imagine all those Wall Street goons who walked away with your money, then cried boo and the government gave them more !

It’s no wonder these people are laughing at you, laughing at the weakness in the country. Iceland indicted it’s prime minister for direct involvement in reckless bank lending. Time we become Iceland. [/quote]

You and your roommate tried to steal 100M dollars?
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My roommate DID steal $100 million, not me. [/quote]

This is too interesting to ignore, but I understand if you do not want to discuss it on the Internet.

How did he steal $100 million?

You wrote “[he] served less than 4 yrs in Federal prison with me” which is why I thought you were part of the scheme.

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I did some reading on this case last night as I generally don’t follow high profile cases. I think you’re right that there was enough for manslaughter. The big question mark is the whole computer search for choloroform. The evidence showed that SOMEONE in that household did the search but the prosecution could not prove it was Casey. The mother lied about it, and I don’t buy her story - if she was worried that her dogs were eating plants you search “dog eats plant” not “chlorophyll” and then accidentally hit the search results for “chloroform.” My theory of the case, based on what little I know and pure speculation, was that Casey’s father, George, did it. He was sexually molesting Caylee, and when Caylee became old enough to speak, he realized she would tell on him, so he killed her. He then told Casey that he killed her, but also told her that if she turned him in he would throw her under the bus and tell the cops that she was the one who did it. So she kept her mouth shut, and partied and acted like nothing happened. That’s just as likely as anything. However, if that’s the case, then Casey is part of a conspiracy, among other things.

This was an emotionally-charged high profile case. When a little kid dies, everyone thinks that someone needs to go to jail for, and don’t really care who. Someone in that house killed that little girl - the evidence simply couldn’t establish who.

What pisses me off about high profile cases is that if the result is not what people expected then suddenly the entire system is fucked up. Wrong. We need to look at the big picture here - there are thousands of criminal cases filed every year that are handled correctly. Overall, the system works well. Once in a while you’re going to get a difficult case like this. But you don’t go changing a system that works well overall just because of ONE bad emotionally-charged case. And if the system is going to make an error I’d rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent person go to jail. But what the hell do I know - I’m just a dumb tax attorney.[/quote]

No offense Mike, but I hope your accounting skills are better than your critical thinking skills.

This system let my former roommate who got away with nearly $100 million and served less than 4 yrs in Federal prison with me.

LULZ @ thinking the “system works well most of the time.”

Just imagine all those Wall Street goons who walked away with your money, then cried boo and the government gave them more !

It’s no wonder these people are laughing at you, laughing at the weakness in the country. Iceland indicted it’s prime minister for direct involvement in reckless bank lending. Time we become Iceland. [/quote]

So let’s see - you’re basing your judgment on a sample size of 2: the Casey Anthony case and your roommate’s case. I’ve read literally thousands of criminal cases (not doing tax yet; currently in legal publishing) and the vast majority of those cases were handled competently. So yeah, I’m going to stand by my statement that the system works most of the time.

BTW - Did your roommate have to pay any of that $100M back in restitution? In the context of white collar crime, I believe it’s more important to pay as much money back as possible rather than impose lengthy prison sentences, although both would be nice. Restitution is a big component of financial crimes. A guy sitting in prison does no good for the little old lady who lost all of her retirement savings.

Finally, a defendant’s cooperation is also taken into account when calculating sentences. If your roommate knew information that implicated others in the scam and he assisted with the investigation, the prosecution no doubt cut him some slack. That’s plenty fair.

Care to make any other comments about my thinking ability?[/quote]

Yes, your thinking ability is even worse than I originally thought.

Sample size of 2 ? Did you think that only myself and my roommate were the ONLY 2 guys sitting in Federal prison? That’s funny. Did you gather that I suggested the system does not work most of the time ?

Yes, my roommate has an $11 million restitution, of which he pays $200/month to pay it back. Fear not amigo, he still has $89 Million remaining, so don’t shed a tear right away. He is almost 60 yrs old by now, and at that rate, he will NEVER come close to paying it back.

Did you think the guy who stole $100 Million cares about the little old lady who lost her savings LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! Did you think the crack dealer who got a Federal dime (10 yrs) cares about the near $40k/yr it costs to incarcerate him ?

There are ways to reduce your time in prison without cooperating with the government, so my roommate served about 4 yrs while keeping no less than $89 Million in the worst case scenario, sound horrible to you ? Did you think these guys all of a sudden lose their money when they get caught ? Ask Bernie Madoff, who had a SPECK of his money taken from him, yet still hides the large bulk of his money.

All of you Nancies who think “the system works, and justice prevailed” assume that these people care about that. ALL THEY WANT IS TO WALK WITH AS MUCH MONEY AND AS LESS PUNISHMENT AS POSSIBLE ! These people have no remorse, no guilt, they are laughing at all of you. How do I know ? Because I spent years with some of them behind the wall, in a cell, on a bus, on Con-Air.

Mike, I am sure you are probably a great CPA, very naive and gullible, but I have no doubt you can crunch numbers like a champ. But the fact that you think Wall Street crooks care about the little old lady who lost her life savings only shows how you are NOWHERE near the right mentality on how to do deal with these people. My roommate took the risk, knowingly, he gambled and won.

Hey, want to know what we did in one of the 4 institutions I saw him in ? Workout and tan, all day long. When we weren’t working out, we watched movies in our movie theatre (yes, Club Fed, aka Federal Prison Camp Nellis) had a bowling alley, a pool, and a movie theatre there. Really effective at punishing people for their crimes, right?

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I did some reading on this case last night as I generally don’t follow high profile cases. I think you’re right that there was enough for manslaughter. The big question mark is the whole computer search for choloroform. The evidence showed that SOMEONE in that household did the search but the prosecution could not prove it was Casey. The mother lied about it, and I don’t buy her story - if she was worried that her dogs were eating plants you search “dog eats plant” not “chlorophyll” and then accidentally hit the search results for “chloroform.” My theory of the case, based on what little I know and pure speculation, was that Casey’s father, George, did it. He was sexually molesting Caylee, and when Caylee became old enough to speak, he realized she would tell on him, so he killed her. He then told Casey that he killed her, but also told her that if she turned him in he would throw her under the bus and tell the cops that she was the one who did it. So she kept her mouth shut, and partied and acted like nothing happened. That’s just as likely as anything. However, if that’s the case, then Casey is part of a conspiracy, among other things.

This was an emotionally-charged high profile case. When a little kid dies, everyone thinks that someone needs to go to jail for, and don’t really care who. Someone in that house killed that little girl - the evidence simply couldn’t establish who.

What pisses me off about high profile cases is that if the result is not what people expected then suddenly the entire system is fucked up. Wrong. We need to look at the big picture here - there are thousands of criminal cases filed every year that are handled correctly. Overall, the system works well. Once in a while you’re going to get a difficult case like this. But you don’t go changing a system that works well overall just because of ONE bad emotionally-charged case. And if the system is going to make an error I’d rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent person go to jail. But what the hell do I know - I’m just a dumb tax attorney.[/quote]

No offense Mike, but I hope your accounting skills are better than your critical thinking skills.

This system let my former roommate who got away with nearly $100 million and served less than 4 yrs in Federal prison with me.

LULZ @ thinking the “system works well most of the time.”

Just imagine all those Wall Street goons who walked away with your money, then cried boo and the government gave them more !

It’s no wonder these people are laughing at you, laughing at the weakness in the country. Iceland indicted it’s prime minister for direct involvement in reckless bank lending. Time we become Iceland. [/quote]

You and your roommate tried to steal 100M dollars?
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My roommate DID steal $100 million, not me. [/quote]

This is too interesting to ignore, but I understand if you do not want to discuss it on the Internet.

How did he steal $100 million?

You wrote “[he] served less than 4 yrs in Federal prison with me” which is why I thought you were part of the scheme.

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Raj, you have to understand something. Do you know what white collar guys in the joint do? They make connections, the Wall Street guy (Peter Bacanovic) is shooting the shit with the Securities fraud guy (Harry Shuster), who just rubbed elbows with the California state judge (Mark Stringer), and swapping ideas on how to do X, Y, and Z.

These people are not sitting in prison mopping about their punishment, they are making their next move since their lives are over.

These are detached, unhinged, socio-pathic people. They DO NOT CARE about the people they defrauded or hurt, they are counting the days until they can enjoy their cash. That is what many of you people don’t get, they are banking on your weakness, because they are old, or sick, or need treatment, or some other lame excuse.

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Yes. Innocent until proven guilty. ALWAYS.

The prosecution did not have a case so they should have waited until better evidence comes to light.

And let’s not forget that prosecutors do not care about justice. They care about convictions regardless of guilt.

So let’s just call this a WIN for freedom and be done with it.[/quote]

A broken justice system is a LOSS for freedom. If a system cannot protect the most basic rights of it’s citizens, freedom is jeopardized. If you define freedom by murderers getting away with it, then shut down all the prisons and let them all run free. Then the rest of us will get to live ‘in prison’. [/quote]

Justice was served. A person’s rights were not violated. In this case it is the defendant’s rights that matter here. Not the murder victim’s.[/quote]

So you believe she was innocent? Then who killed her? The case IS about the victim, not the defendant. Just because the rules were followed doesn’t mean justice was served, it means the system fucked up and it needs to be fixed to prevent another murderer from getting away with it.
If it is justice that murderers get away with murder then we need not bother with a justice system at all.
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And how would you fix the system?

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That’s a multi-layered question. I think it all needs to be taken a look a from scratch from the collection and admitting of evidence, to what criteria is considered for guilt to what you can actually be prosecuted for. I think this case is excellent to examine the system because you have a case where someone is clearly guilty and the system fail.

Things I would change are things like, evidence. If the evidence is directly linked to the case it should be allowed to be presented. For instance, Casey had some damning diary entries and potentially damning letters exchanged with other inmates that were not admitted. Obviously, exceptions should be made, but you got to be careful to omit.
Another thing that should be examined are the charges. I think if you do not have an absolute cause of death, murder 1 cannot be considered. I think in the end this hurt the prosecution.
I also think that to much emphasis is put on motive. Juries are supposed to only look at facts, but facts about motives are so sketchy and jury is supposed to use cold hard facts to determine the emotional fortitude of a person…Why is not as important and the fact that ‘it’ was done.

Jury selection, I think it should be done by a neutral party not involved in the case…ETC.

I don’t have all the answers, and I don’t the system is over all bad, but it is badly in need of being tidied up. Right now, they only determine things by the actions of other court cases, that’s kind of a half-assed way of doing it.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
So you believe she was innocent? Then who killed her? The case IS about the victim, not the defendant. Just because the rules were followed doesn’t mean justice was served, it means the system fucked up and it needs to be fixed to prevent another murderer from getting away with it.
If it is justice that murderers get away with murder then we need not bother with a justice system at all.
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I don’t know anything about the case except she was accused of murdering her child.

I don’t care, really.

I just think it is silly you people get so emotional like little girls over one child when people are murdered out in the open by cops every day where justice is treated like a joke.[/quote]

The why the fuck are you participating in a conversation you admit you know nothing about?
Then you present a silly little red herring out of left field?

Injustice occurs all over the world, it doesn’t mean we should not ever care.

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
I did some reading on this case last night as I generally don’t follow high profile cases. I think you’re right that there was enough for manslaughter. The big question mark is the whole computer search for choloroform. The evidence showed that SOMEONE in that household did the search but the prosecution could not prove it was Casey. The mother lied about it, and I don’t buy her story - if she was worried that her dogs were eating plants you search “dog eats plant” not “chlorophyll” and then accidentally hit the search results for “chloroform.” My theory of the case, based on what little I know and pure speculation, was that Casey’s father, George, did it. He was sexually molesting Caylee, and when Caylee became old enough to speak, he realized she would tell on him, so he killed her. He then told Casey that he killed her, but also told her that if she turned him in he would throw her under the bus and tell the cops that she was the one who did it. So she kept her mouth shut, and partied and acted like nothing happened. That’s just as likely as anything. However, if that’s the case, then Casey is part of a conspiracy, among other things.

This was an emotionally-charged high profile case. When a little kid dies, everyone thinks that someone needs to go to jail for, and don’t really care who. Someone in that house killed that little girl - the evidence simply couldn’t establish who.

What pisses me off about high profile cases is that if the result is not what people expected then suddenly the entire system is fucked up. Wrong. We need to look at the big picture here - there are thousands of criminal cases filed every year that are handled correctly. Overall, the system works well. Once in a while you’re going to get a difficult case like this. But you don’t go changing a system that works well overall just because of ONE bad emotionally-charged case. And if the system is going to make an error I’d rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent person go to jail. But what the hell do I know - I’m just a dumb tax attorney.[/quote]

The only evidence of the father doing anything was the word of a pathological liar. Her lies where caught and proven unequivocal lies. Otherwise there was no evidence, not a shred of any kind of molestation ever occurring anywhere.
Second, the system fucked up on a very critical case it is right and necessary to see why and fix it. Otherwise, the system will continue to let guilty people go free and innocent people go to jail.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

For all of you bible-thumpers out there that believe in divine justice why do you care if a murderer escapes conviction since by your own beliefs he will eventually be brought to “eternal” justice?[/quote]

LOL…For someone who claims to have read the Bible you sure are ignorant on the topic.[/quote]

That was me, dude.

I don’t care what’s written in the bible, koran, or whatever. If someone says they believe in some sort of eternal justice then terrestrial justice is of little significance. That’s all I am saying.
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Sounds like you believe in a relative justice. What is justice in this case?

You said her going free is justice, so what does justice mean if letting murderers get away with it is justice.

So, say, if I broke in to your house, killed your whole family and sodomized their skulls, but a jury of my peers found me not guilty, according to you own logic, that would be just.[/quote]

How could there be justice done in this case? I would be dead. My whole family would be dead.

If you were the one that was suspected of the crime justice can only be done by due process of your rights but no justice will ever come about for me or my family one way or the other regardless of the jury’s decision.[/quote]

So if there is no true justice should we let guilty people walk?

Not guilty does not mean not innocent. Wasn’t there a juror who said that she had wished they had enough evidence to convict her but by the letter of the law they couldn’t do it? You cannot convict on emotion.

[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Not guilty does not mean not innocent. Wasn’t there a juror who said that she had wished they had enough evidence to convict her but by the letter of the law they couldn’t do it? You cannot convict on emotion. [/quote]

This.

[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Not guilty does not mean not innocent. Wasn’t there a juror who said that she had wished they had enough evidence to convict her but by the letter of the law they couldn’t do it? You cannot convict on emotion. [/quote]

I think this is the fall back excuse that jurors will use.

That they wanted to get her for something, if not murder, but the rest of us here are seeing manslaughter as a viable option.

Jurors are blaming the prosecutor for being too aggressive with murder 1, but manslaughter was the 2nd option to get her on.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
So you believe she was innocent? Then who killed her? The case IS about the victim, not the defendant. Just because the rules were followed doesn’t mean justice was served, it means the system fucked up and it needs to be fixed to prevent another murderer from getting away with it.
If it is justice that murderers get away with murder then we need not bother with a justice system at all.
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I don’t know anything about the case except she was accused of murdering her child.

I don’t care, really.

I just think it is silly you people get so emotional like little girls over one child when people are murdered out in the open by cops every day where justice is treated like a joke.[/quote]

The why the fuck are you participating in a conversation you admit you know nothing about?
Then you present a silly little red herring out of left field?

Injustice occurs all over the world, it doesn’t mean we should not ever care.[/quote]

Quit pretending you know anything than what the media tells you.

You know exactly as much as me and anyone else participating.

I am participating because the principles are what matter. You people seem to have none.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

You know exactly as much as me and anyone else participating.

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You said you didn’t follow the case and don’t know the facts. I followed the case and listened to the actual court proceedings, not Nasty Grace’s take on the court proceedings…Therefore I know more about it than you.
The principal matters and so do the facts, and the facts states she murdered her child and got away with it, period. You say justice was done, I say, based on the facts, it was not.

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So if there is no true justice should we let guilty people walk?[/quote]

Non sequitur.

There is justice and I already explained what it is. Justice refers to a victims natural rights. Vengeance is not justice.

My own personal feeling is that guilty people should be thrown into the wilderness and shunned but I still think there needs to be due process of a person’s rights to determine this.

Even worse than a rabid honey badger…