Any Thoughts on Casey Anthony

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
So we agree that justice wasn’t served, if she was in fact murdered. I think there’s a difference between justice and restitution.[/quote]

Nor does convicting a murderer deliver justice to the murder victim.

Justice and restitution go hand-in-hand because in order give restitution one needs to be able to recognize which side justice is on. Who is the rightful owner of the property in question and who if anyone is responsible for the loss of or damage to said property?[/quote]

Why don’t you believe convicting a murderer delivers justice to a murder victim? If it’s because you don’t believe the dead can benefit from justice, how about the living loved ones left behind?

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[quote]doogie wrote:
Where did you hear the dad put duct tape on animals’ nose and mouth? [/quote]

Court case.

No, that is not mine, that could be hers though.

I don’t rationalize it. How do you rationalize it?

What does that have to do with the fact that is how she coped with the death of her child? There are strong signs that she was abused as a child, people who are sexually abused aren’t always the most reasonable of people.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

For all of you bible-thumpers out there that believe in divine justice why do you care if a murderer escapes conviction since by your own beliefs he will eventually be brought to “eternal” justice?[/quote]

LOL…For someone who claims to have read the Bible you sure are ignorant on the topic.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
not even child negligence?[/quote]

Can’t charge her with child negligence.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:
Where did you hear the dad put duct tape on animals’ nose and mouth? [/quote]

Court case.

No, that is not mine, that could be hers though.

I don’t rationalize it. How do you rationalize it?

What does that have to do with the fact that is how she coped with the death of her child? There are strong signs that she was abused as a child, people who are sexually abused aren’t always the most reasonable of people.[/quote]

The court case only said that the dad had duct taped closed trash bags that the dead dog was buried in. Not that the dog had tape on it. The claims of sexual abuse were so absurd that the judge didn’t even allow the defense to bring them up again in closing arguments.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
not even child negligence?[/quote]

Can’t charge her with child negligence.[/quote]

Not reporting her missing for 30 days should qualify. If that doesn’t, bring on the apocalypse.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
So we agree that justice wasn’t served, if she was in fact murdered. I think there’s a difference between justice and restitution.[/quote]

Nor does convicting a murderer deliver justice to the murder victim.

Justice and restitution go hand-in-hand because in order give restitution one needs to be able to recognize which side justice is on. Who is the rightful owner of the property in question and who if anyone is responsible for the loss of or damage to said property?[/quote]

Why don’t you believe convicting a murderer delivers justice to a murder victim? If it’s because you don’t believe the dead can benefit from justice, how about the living loved ones left behind?[/quote]

The “loved ones” are not victims…unless you think that the murder victim is property of the “loved ones”.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

For all of you bible-thumpers out there that believe in divine justice why do you care if a murderer escapes conviction since by your own beliefs he will eventually be brought to “eternal” justice?[/quote]

LOL…For someone who claims to have read the Bible you sure are ignorant on the topic.[/quote]

That was me, dude.

I don’t care what’s written in the bible, koran, or whatever. If someone says they believe in some sort of eternal justice then terrestrial justice is of little significance. That’s all I am saying.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
So we agree that justice wasn’t served, if she was in fact murdered. I think there’s a difference between justice and restitution.[/quote]

Nor does convicting a murderer deliver justice to the murder victim.

Justice and restitution go hand-in-hand because in order give restitution one needs to be able to recognize which side justice is on. Who is the rightful owner of the property in question and who if anyone is responsible for the loss of or damage to said property?[/quote]

Why don’t you believe convicting a murderer delivers justice to a murder victim? If it’s because you don’t believe the dead can benefit from justice, how about the living loved ones left behind?[/quote]

The “loved ones” are not victims…unless you think that the murder victim is property of the “loved ones”.[/quote]

They’re harmed, no question about it. Moreso than by just losing property.

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Wow, the fact that Zeb and Brother Chris are standing up for the verdict is telling. I’m actually proud of you guys. {SNIFF}

The prosecution messed up here. The fact that she did not report the disappearance for over 30 days was an important fact. Perhaps it suggested manslaughter. But that was not one of the charges. You cannot convict on what is not charged. The prosecution was going for first degree homicide and were seeking the death penalty. This charge requires intent. I can see how the jury could find that there was no intent based on what little I know about the case. I can also see how a jury could find it difficult to impose death based solely on circumstantial evidence. She was certainly guilty of being a bad mother and probably a bad person. But you don’t convict for first degree murder based on those qualities. And the prosecution did not give the jury the option of convicting her for the lesser charge of manslaughter. They messed.

I am not comfortable with the verdict. However, the cops and prosecutors need to be held to certain standards. The standard is guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not guilt because I think she’s a bad person. Oliver Wendell Holmes said that it is better for a thousand guilty men to go free than to put one innocent man in jail.

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Fuck your semantics. Fuck your interpretation of the semantics. Fuck your disregard for common sense, in favor of semantics. And fuck you hiding behind the semantic equivalent of jerking off: “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Fuck using semantics to undermine what was the original intent of the US Court system, which is TO SERVE JUSTICE. I don’t give a fuck what they taught you in law school.

A dead child was found in a fucking SWAMP, like she was a goddamned piece of trash. Like a fucking empty Gatorade bottle with the label ripped off.

CHLOROFORM was Google searched.

HOW TO BREAK A NECK was Google searched.

A missing child went unreported for 31 days, and YOU CLAIM COPING MECHANISMS.

Fuck anybody who thinks that justice was served with Casey Anthony’s nonsensical not guilty verdict. A verdict that was totally and completely DEVOID of any type of common sense or rationale. The jury consultant did a phenomenal job picking a bunch of spineless sheep to sit on that bench.

The jury decided a verdict on the .000000000000000000001% chance that the stars aligned, 10 coincidences occurred, and that maybe, just maybe, people deal with death through partying, when they’re not lying their ass off and Google searching “chloroform” (84 times) purely out of intellectual curiosity. Gimme a fucking break.

And to all you legal hot shots and big-dicked mother fuckers: I welcome your criticism. Keep hiding behind that beyond a reasonable doubt steaming pile of horseshit. Use your damned head that you are so exalted for and realize what happened.

Last thing, as far as Jose Baez is concerned, good on him, guy did one HELLUVA sales job. He should get into selling medical equipment; I hear they make a KILLING.

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People are mad at the jury when they upheld the law by following the instructions they were given on determination of guilt. If you are mad then your anger shouldn’t be aimed at the jury but rather the legal system and/or overreaching prosecutors.

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[quote]Travis56 wrote:
Does this ruling mean that all accused murderers should be tried under these same standards? A high percentage of murders can go unsolved if this is the correct way to come to a verdict. Would your stance change Brother Chris if it was your family member.[/quote]

What do you mean if it was my family member?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
not even child negligence?[/quote]

Can’t charge her with child negligence.[/quote]

Not reporting her missing for 30 days should qualify. If that doesn’t, bring on the apocalypse. [/quote]

You can’t neglect something that is dead.

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[quote]DeterminedNate wrote:
Fuck your semantics. Fuck your interpretation of the semantics. Fuck your disregard for common sense, in favor of semantics. And fuck you hiding behind the semantic equivalent of jerking off: “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Fuck using semantics to undermine what was the original intent of the US Court system, which is TO SERVE JUSTICE. I don’t give a fuck what they taught you in law school.

A dead child was found in a fucking SWAMP, like she was a goddamned piece of trash. Like a fucking empty Gatorade bottle with the label ripped off.

CHLOROFORM was Google searched.

HOW TO BREAK A NECK was Google searched.

A missing child went unreported for 31 days, and YOU CLAIM COPING MECHANISMS.

Fuck anybody who thinks that justice was served with Casey Anthony’s nonsensical not guilty verdict. A verdict that was totally and completely DEVOID of any type of common sense or rationale. The jury consultant did a phenomenal job picking a bunch of spineless sheep to sit on that bench.

The jury decided a verdict on the .000000000000000000001% chance that the stars aligned, 10 coincidences occurred, and that maybe, just maybe, people deal with death through partying, when they’re not lying their ass off and Google searching “chloroform” (84 times) purely out of intellectual curiosity. Gimme a fucking break.

And to all you legal hot shots and big-dicked mother fuckers: I welcome your criticism. Keep hiding behind that beyond a reasonable doubt steaming pile of horseshit. Use your damned head that you are so exalted for and realize what happened.

Last thing, as far as Jose Baez is concerned, good on him, guy did one HELLUVA sales job. He should get into selling medical equipment; I hear they make a KILLING. [/quote]

inb4 sounds emotional.

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[quote]DeterminedNate wrote:
Fuck your semantics. Fuck your interpretation of the semantics. Fuck your disregard for common sense, in favor of semantics. And fuck you hiding behind the semantic equivalent of jerking off: “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Fuck using semantics to undermine what was the original intent of the US Court system, which is TO SERVE JUSTICE. I don’t give a fuck what they taught you in law school.

A dead child was found in a fucking SWAMP, like she was a goddamned piece of trash. Like a fucking empty Gatorade bottle with the label ripped off.

CHLOROFORM was Google searched.

HOW TO BREAK A NECK was Google searched.

A missing child went unreported for 31 days, and YOU CLAIM COPING MECHANISMS.

Fuck anybody who thinks that justice was served with Casey Anthony’s nonsensical not guilty verdict. A verdict that was totally and completely DEVOID of any type of common sense or rationale. The jury consultant did a phenomenal job picking a bunch of spineless sheep to sit on that bench.

The jury decided a verdict on the .000000000000000000001% chance that the stars aligned, 10 coincidences occurred, and that maybe, just maybe, people deal with death through partying, when they’re not lying their ass off and Google searching “chloroform” (84 times) purely out of intellectual curiosity. Gimme a fucking break.

And to all you legal hot shots and big-dicked mother fuckers: I welcome your criticism. Keep hiding behind that beyond a reasonable doubt steaming pile of horseshit. Use your damned head that you are so exalted for and realize what happened.

Last thing, as far as Jose Baez is concerned, good on him, guy did one HELLUVA sales job. He should get into selling medical equipment; I hear they make a KILLING. [/quote]

Emotional and rash judgment written all over this post. I hear those are feminine qualities.

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
And the prosecution did not give the jury the option of convicting her for the lesser charge of manslaughter.

[/quote]

Yes, they did.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
I heard this morning that a restaurant owner has banned members of the jury from his restaurant. He’s free to do what he wants, but in my opinion that’s going too far. I think they did the best they could, given the instructions from the judge on their role as jurors.

But yeah. At the end of the day a little girl is dead, and justice has not been served. It’s times like these that I wish there was a god to guarantee ultimate justice.[/quote]

I think this is fine how ever small or symbolic. If the system cannot guarantee justice, then the people must do it on their own. The system is obviously flawed and should not define the basis of morality.

I am ok with a little mob rule. The mob shall guarantee that said cunt will never live a day in her life with out fear. Millions of people hate her, hundreds of those people are just crazy and stupid enough to do something about it.
Let’s see how peaceful her life is…

And I thought a vengeful God was one of your basis for disbelief…Make up your mind! [/quote]

I’m not into vigilante justice in most cases.

Lol, not a vengeful god, but a just god. If someone murders her own daughter, she should pay for it big time.
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I could say a lot of things about thatlast statement (a.k.a. abortion for one), but I’ll stay on task. I realize it’s not the forum, but looking at your last statement made me think about some of the things you have said in the past. How do you know that what what seemed vengful in the past, was not in fact just? We don’t know all the facts of the past to make that determination. Where as in this case, we know all the facts and we know, no hell exists hot enough to bring justice on this lying whore. Same with Saddam, same with Stalin, same with O.J, but in the end, they all got theirs.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Yes. Innocent until proven guilty. ALWAYS.

The prosecution did not have a case so they should have waited until better evidence comes to light.

And let’s not forget that prosecutors do not care about justice. They care about convictions regardless of guilt.

So let’s just call this a WIN for freedom and be done with it.[/quote]

A broken justice system is a LOSS for freedom. If a system cannot protect the most basic rights of it’s citizens, freedom is jeopardized. If you define freedom by murderers getting away with it, then shut down all the prisons and let them all run free. Then the rest of us will get to live ‘in prison’. [/quote]

Justice was served. A person’s rights were not violated. In this case it is the defendant’s rights that matter here. Not the murder victim’s.[/quote]

So you believe she was innocent? Then who killed her? The case IS about the victim, not the defendant. Just because the rules were followed doesn’t mean justice was served, it means the system fucked up and it needs to be fixed to prevent another murderer from getting away with it.
If it is justice that murderers get away with murder then we need not bother with a justice system at all.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

For all of you bible-thumpers out there that believe in divine justice why do you care if a murderer escapes conviction since by your own beliefs he will eventually be brought to “eternal” justice?[/quote]

LOL…For someone who claims to have read the Bible you sure are ignorant on the topic.[/quote]

That was me, dude.

I don’t care what’s written in the bible, koran, or whatever. If someone says they believe in some sort of eternal justice then terrestrial justice is of little significance. That’s all I am saying.
[/quote]

Sounds like you believe in a relative justice. What is justice in this case?

You said her going free is justice, so what does justice mean if letting murderers get away with it is justice.

So, say, if I broke in to your house, killed your whole family and sodomized their skulls, but a jury of my peers found me not guilty, according to you own logic, that would be just.