Any Students Here Who Smoke?

[quote]Yolked Up wrote:
I thought the prohibition started due to William Randolph Hearst’s conflicting business interests
http://billstclair.com/hemplie.html

What I don’t really understand is, if the above is true then why the hell is it banned in just about every country in the world?

I’m just guessing here but I think it’s because mj is relatively easy to produce and if it was legal, people would just start growing their own and would just stop buying booze and cigs cause they suck in comparison. But we all know that the tobacco and alcohol industries are BIG business.[/quote]

Well, legalizing it would definitely help state and federal budget issues. They could tax the HELL out of it, just like booze and cigarettes and it would still be cheaper to purchase than it is now. Take the risk out of growing and selling equals more readily available product and more open competition in the market for prices.

My guess why is the demonization for the past 3/4 of a century by the government will be hard to just do an about face to and just say OK! it’s cool.

I think the change will have to come from the states first. Follow California’s lead. Even though it’s still illegal federally, the fed turns it’s head for the most part there. If more states would follow and set up tax models and get it regulated, I think it would be easier for the fed to change it’s policies.

[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
Did a little digging around. Found this. Here - Home - Cannabis MD- Medical Cannabis-Marijuana Community

For patients concerned with the possibility that smoking medical marijuana may have harmful effects on the lungs, and for those who require a maximum dose of medicinal compounds, oral ingestion of marijuana is preferred over smoking or vaporizing. However, some patients have had unstable or unsuitable results, so we offer this detailed explanation and simple recipe.

When marijuana is eaten rather than smoked, the human liver produces natural cannabinoid metabolites that enter the bloodstream, creating a stronger effect than when cannabis smoke is absorbed by the lungs. The common technique of baking marijuana in brownies or other foods is effective, but unpredictable. The medicinal cannabis compounds are melted into the food when cooking, so the absorption of the herb is complicated by digestion of the food. Therefore, the optimum medicinal benefits are easier to predict and manage when marijuana is cooked with coconut oil and packed into gelatin capsules.

THC, the most powerful medicinal compound in cannabis, is available by prescription from licensed physicians. But most patients who try Marinol discover that it is far too psychoactive. THC is only one of a handful of cannabis compounds that work together harmoniously. For example, it is known that Cannabidiol (CBD) has sedative effects that offset the stimulative effects of pure THC. That is a part of why pure THC pills are known to overpower the senses. In order to get the optimum medicinal benefits without unwanted side effects, all of the natural cannabis compounds should be taken together as nature intended. Thus these homemade “Mari pills” are far superior to pharmeceutical Marinol. Plus, at a cost of up to $12 per tablet, Marinol is much more expensive than pills made from the natural plant.

Commonly, patients use marijuana leaf for cooking and flower tops (buds) for smoking. This practice is often based on frugality, as marijuana leaf is usually too harsh to smoke, yet too valuable to waste. But, as explained above, cannabinoid compounds such as CBD are more of a sedative than a stimulant, and because marijuana leaves usually contain a higher percentage of CBD than THC, eating cannabis leaf can make one especially drowsy. This recipe calls for the use of quality cannabis buds and leaves mixed together. Patients must experiment with different quantities of bud versus leaf to discover the ratio that works best for their specific conditions.

One of the drawbacks of eating marijuana leaf is the common complaint of stomach irritation. The top side of cannabis leaves are coated with thousands of microscopic thorns, and these sometimes cause minor intestinal irritation, even after grinding. For some patients, the use of leaf in Mari Pills is not tolerable, and in such cases, the use of buds alone, without the addition of leaf, is preferred. Note: the small leaves found in the marijuana flower tops are not as difficult to digest as the large “fan” leaves that grow from the stems. Also, the small bud leaves are far more potent than the larger leaves required for photosynthesis. As a general rule, the smaller leaves growing closest to the flower tops are closest to the plant’s resin glands, and therefore have the greatest amount of medicinal compounds.

The ratio of bud versus leaf used in these pills affects the values of the recipe, I.E.: leaf tends to grind down to a more powdery consistency than bud, and leaf tends to absorb less oil than does bud, and so the exact details of this variation must be determined by personal experience. The quantities recorded below will fluctuate with differences in the type of marijuana used.

Especially for those with tender digestion, all marijuana must be ground to a fine consistency before cooking. A new coffee grinder that does not contain coffee residue is preferred. First, using scissors or by hand, remove as much of the stem material as possible. Stems have NO medicinal value, and eating hemp stalk is likely to irritate the stomach. If the marijuana contains seeds, they may be included, as hemp seeds are highly nutritious, but again, they do not contain THC, CBD, or any of the other medicinal compounds found in marijuana. All material must be dry. Grind the herb to a fine consistency.

Cannabis compounds are oil-based and do not mix with water, but they boil at 392 degrees F. Cannabis compounds bond with fatty compounds when heated. While many types of vegetable oils may suffice, we find the best results are obtained using coconut oil. Coconut oil has been shown to have powerful anti-viral and anti-fungal properties

One half ounce of dried and cleaned marijuana ground to fine powder in a small coffee grinder equals about one half cup of powder. Set the half-cup of green powder by the stove. Use a very small saucepan. Add 3 or 4 tablespoons of unprocessed virgin coconut oil. Set burner on medium, and use a candy thermometer (up to 400 degrees) to bring the oil to a temperature of 350 degrees. Note: the temperature of heated oil generally rises about 25 degrees after being removed from medium stove heat, so remove from stove at about 325, then wait a moment until the temperature peaks and begins to fall. When the oil reaches 350 degrees add the entire half-cup of powder all at once. The oil will sizzle slightly as the reaction takes place. Stir thoroughly, making sure that the powder and oil are completely mixed. (Do not use thermometer for stirring because it might break.) If the mixture is not pasty, then carefully add more green powder or oil. (Only use enough oil to saturate the green powder to a dark green paste. Too much oil makes messy pills-too little, and the cannabis compounds will burn instead of bonding to the fat content of the oil.) Mix thoroughly, then return to burner on medium heat. Watch the temperature. Continue mixing until the paste looks more oily at about 300 to 325 degrees. Those who have used non-smoking marijuana vaporizers will recognize the smell of vapor trails that rise at 300 to 325 degrees. As soon as the vapor trails appear strongly, remove from heat and mix, then set aside to cool. (Accurate temperature control is most important. After heating, the paste should still be about the same color. If the paste has turned rich brown instead of dark green, the product was overheated and the majority of medicinal compounds were lost.) Let the paste cool below 100 degrees before packing into gelatin capsules using standard herbal gel cap machines available for under $20 at most health food stores. This recipe makes about 50 of the large size gelatin capsules. Do not use vegetarian gel caps that can melt from exposure to vegetable oils. Pills stored in a freezer will maintain potency for many months.

Common doses are in the range of 2 to 5 pills, depending on the quality of the marijuana used and the patient’s personal use. We find the most appreciable results are obtained when the pills are taken just before dinner as therapeutic effects manifest more fully during periods of relaxation and limited activity.

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Nice find man, I guess I could ‘perfect’ my methods using this.

[quote]cueball wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:
I thought the prohibition started due to William Randolph Hearst’s conflicting business interests
http://billstclair.com/hemplie.html

What I don’t really understand is, if the above is true then why the hell is it banned in just about every country in the world?

I’m just guessing here but I think it’s because mj is relatively easy to produce and if it was legal, people would just start growing their own and would just stop buying booze and cigs cause they suck in comparison. But we all know that the tobacco and alcohol industries are BIG business.

Well, legalizing it would definitely help state and federal budget issues. They could tax the HELL out of it, just like booze and cigarettes and it would still be cheaper to purchase than it is now. Take the risk out of growing and selling equals more readily available product and more open competition in the market for prices.

My guess why is the demonization for the past 3/4 of a century by the government will be hard to just do an about face to and just say OK! it’s cool.

I think the change will have to come from the states first. Follow California’s lead. Even though it’s still illegal federally, the fed turns it’s head for the most part there. If more states would follow and set up tax models and get it regulated, I think it would be easier for the fed to change it’s policies.

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Thing is, if it was legalized, people would grow there own so they cant really patent the products and charge tax on it like they do to alcohol/tobacco products

[quote]Yolked Up wrote:

Thing is, if it was legalized, people would grow there own so they cant really patent the products and charge tax on it like they do to alcohol/tobacco products
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Well, people do brew their own beer and it’s not taxed. If they were selling their home brew, then that’s a different story. They would still have a helluva time finding growers and sellers evading the tax system. Probably about as difficult as it is finding the growers and sellers now.

[quote]Yolked Up wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Some of you must be 11 years old.

And OP you are a damn fool if you think pot is safer than tobacco when smoked. It’s amazing that some people think smoking pot is not harmful, and some even go as far as saying its healthy. Vaporizing is a different story.

(I smoked regularly for a long time. But not any more and not because of health reasons) Smoke if you want to but don’t make yourself appear stupid by making naive comments.

Studies show it is safer because it doesn’t cause cancer. THC inhibits the growth of cancer cells.

Cancer is not the only thing to worry about when inhaling smoke.

THC may inhibit growth of cancer cells, but I am talking specifically of the potential harm that can be caused by incinerating the plant. THC used in the studies is purified and dose is closely controlled. I am just making the distinction between THC and smoking weed. They are two different things that people are using interchangibly in their points.

Yah man, I agree with you that smoking itself is dangerous, that’s why I said in OP that my way is healthier.

I’m pretty sure a lot of people who smoke whether it’s pot or tobacco are fully aware of the dangers but do it anyway, it’s like people who drink a shitload of alcohol while being aware of the dangers. [/quote]

I think the poison is in the dose, if you smoke a lttle no big deal , if you smoke a lb a day you have a health problem

[quote]swirly wrote:

  1. Ok I guess you got me there.

  2. No, cannabinoids cause the high.

  3. No, because you die because of emphysema, not pot.

  4. Thats why I said or more.[/quote]

  5. Yes the cannabinoids cause the high, CBD is a cannabinoid in cannabis. It’s not just THC.

  6. Does that mean cigarettes can’t kill you? What about heroin, because that’s you dieing of respiratory failure, rather than from heroin.

  7. You said almost 700 years or more. That shows you have no idea how long it’s been around.

so…

…does this method work with opium?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Some of you must be 11 years old.

And OP you are a damn fool if you think pot is safer than tobacco when smoked. It’s amazing that some people think smoking pot is not harmful, and some even go as far as saying its healthy. Vaporizing is a different story.

(I smoked regularly for a long time. But not any more and not because of health reasons) Smoke if you want to but don’t make yourself appear stupid by making naive comments. [/quote]

Dido. Pot smoke will give you cancer too. And lots of other symptoms of lung disfunction. I can’t believe this topic is on a weight lifting sight. You guys are crazy to think it is healthy to SMOKE anything.

I was a pot head for 15 yrs and all my mates (who arn’t my mates now)are now fucking scitzo! Me and one other mate were the only one’s to come out of it with our sanity!
Fuck I wish I could go back in time and give myself a serious arsekickin for getting caught up in that lifestyle.

[quote]Pibbz wrote:
so…

…does this method work with opium?[/quote]

Ingesting opium in this way is not safe. You will be at risk of ODing. The advantage of smoking opium is it’s easier to tell when you have had enough. I can just imagine someone getting impatient and taking more and more caps of opium and finding they can’t breath.

[quote]charger21 wrote:

Dido. Pot smoke will give you cancer too. And lots of other symptoms of lung disfunction. I can’t believe this topic is on a weight lifting sight. You guys are crazy to think it is healthy to SMOKE anything.
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Find me a reputable study that shows cannabis use causes cancer.

[quote]McMuscles wrote:
I was a pot head for 15 yrs and all my mates (who arn’t my mates now)are now fucking scitzo! Me and one other mate were the only one’s to come out of it with our sanity!
Fuck I wish I could go back in time and give myself a serious arsekickin for getting caught up in that lifestyle.[/quote]

People abusing any drug is a problem. I would rather people abuse weed than alcohol. Alcoholics are always much worse (talking from personal experience with friends).

Go to Phnom Penh Cambodia and any resaurant will pile the shit on your pizza…forget what they call it… Actually I was there for 8 months and I forget most of what happened,that place is hardcore! :slight_smile:

[quote]Yolked Up wrote:

Nice find man, I guess I could ‘perfect’ my methods using this.
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I like your idea of freezing the batch before you cap it. I think the frozen powder would be easier to cap.

On the web page I posted, they have your pouring the liquid, room temp butter in the capping machine.

I think that would be a pain to clean, so I’m gonna eventually try your method of freezing it, then grinding it.

I’ve been wanting to get a good coffee grinder forever anyways, for pot, coffee, and flax seeds anyways.

How long can I toss the frozen caps in my pocket or bag before they start to melt/decompose. I’m assuming the pot/butter mix eventually goes liquid and causes the gel cap to break down.

[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:

Nice find man, I guess I could ‘perfect’ my methods using this.

I like your idea of freezing the batch before you cap it. I think the frozen powder would be easier to cap.

On the web page I posted, they have your pouring the liquid, room temp butter in the capping machine.

I think that would be a pain to clean, so I’m gonna eventually try your method of freezing it, then grinding it.

I’ve been wanting to get a good coffee grinder forever anyways, for pot, coffee, and flax seeds anyways.

How long can I toss the frozen caps in my pocket or bag before they start to melt/decompose. I’m assuming the pot/butter mix eventually goes liquid and causes the gel cap to break down. [/quote]

I use the vegcaps, if you use thinner oils then it would start to eat away at them as soon as they became really runny. But because coconut oil is thicker I didn’t see a problem (although I haven’t kept it out of the freezer for more than 20 mins before taking one and I kept them in a small container in my bag rather than my pocket).

But you probably won’t have such a problem with gelatine caps, but I dont know tbh i’ve never used them.

It seems like encapsulating the mj/oil mix (even though it’s frozen) would
be a messy challenge. I guess these are fairly large caps, and you would have
to do it quick since it’s already started to melt in the blender.
My other thought about the “butter” and milk technique. No doubt that works
becuase the trichs dissolve in the fats, but you don’t remove the weed before
drinking ?(I would).

[quote]winkroar3 wrote:
It seems like encapsulating the mj/oil mix (even though it’s frozen) would
be a messy challenge. I guess these are fairly large caps, and you would have
to do it quick since it’s already started to melt in the blender.
My other thought about the “butter” and milk technique. No doubt that works
becuase the trichs dissolve in the fats, but you don’t remove the weed before
drinking ?(I would).[/quote]

Yolked,

winkroar brings up a good point.

As your grinding up the frozen butter, does it start melting?

Or if your quick about it, I would imagine you can grind it, cap it, before any melting goes on, no?

And who is the broad in the avator?

Yah it does a bit, but that’s why I said its important to work really fast at this stage, the key is to keep the container in the freezer (after grinding) and take out small amounts at a time.

Altohugh I think i’m going to try the method you posted and see how that turn out, I’ll do a test with just the oil first to see if it completely destroys the capsules or not.

I have no idea who she is lol, found the pic on some random pb

I want to know who she is, too. Very nice shape to her. Very nice indeed.

edit:
Oh, so now that we notice, you change it to a dude? You’re toying with our emotions!
Or trying to make us look gay.
How dare you?!

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