Any Students Here Who Smoke?

[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Some of you must be 11 years old.

And OP you are a damn fool if you think pot is safer than tobacco when smoked. It’s amazing that some people think smoking pot is not harmful, and some even go as far as saying its healthy. Vaporizing is a different story.

(I smoked regularly for a long time. But not any more and not because of health reasons) Smoke if you want to but don’t make yourself appear stupid by making naive comments.

Studies show it is safer because it doesn’t cause cancer. THC inhibits the growth of cancer cells. [/quote]

Cancer is not the only thing to worry about when inhaling smoke.

THC may inhibit growth of cancer cells, but I am talking specifically of the potential harm that can be caused by incinerating the plant. THC used in the studies is purified and dose is closely controlled. I am just making the distinction between THC and smoking weed. They are two different things that people are using interchangibly in their points.

[quote]dk44 wrote:
Yolked Up wrote:
dk44 wrote:
this seems like a lot of work for Cancer.

So now MJ cause cancer?
haha next you will be telling me psilocybin causes heart disease.

Cannabinoids have been shown to have ANTI-carcinogenic properties.

SMOKE isn’t good for you, no matter where it comes from. [/quote]

Wow. Someone actually spoke the truth about this shit for a change. Cool. Seriously.

Smoke as much as you want…your solution?

Get that fake wanna be marijuana crap off the net, so when they run in on your bowl, or serve you a hearing. Just say it’s the fake smoke…done deal.

I didn’t know they had dorms in kindergarten.

Makkun

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Some of you must be 11 years old.

And OP you are a damn fool if you think pot is safer than tobacco when smoked. It’s amazing that some people think smoking pot is not harmful, and some even go as far as saying its healthy. Vaporizing is a different story.

(I smoked regularly for a long time. But not any more and not because of health reasons) Smoke if you want to but don’t make yourself appear stupid by making naive comments.

Studies show it is safer because it doesn’t cause cancer. THC inhibits the growth of cancer cells.

Cancer is not the only thing to worry about when inhaling smoke.

THC may inhibit growth of cancer cells, but I am talking specifically of the potential harm that can be caused by incinerating the plant. THC used in the studies is purified and dose is closely controlled. I am just making the distinction between THC and smoking weed. They are two different things that people are using interchangibly in their points. [/quote]

Yah man, I agree with you that smoking itself is dangerous, that’s why I said in OP that my way is healthier.

I’m pretty sure a lot of people who smoke whether it’s pot or tobacco are fully aware of the dangers but do it anyway, it’s like people who drink a shitload of alcohol while being aware of the dangers.

[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
People think you are talking about cigarettes I think. Most people don’t know about THCs solubility in fat. Anyway, consuming mj is not quite the same as smoking it because you have to wait for it to kick in, and even then the effects are different. I would rather just roll a j and walk down to a park and smoke there.[/quote]

Yeah smoking is good for a quick hit to give you a ‘head high’. But I persoanlly prefer the ‘total body’ high from eating the stuff even though it does take longer imo it’s worth the wait.

Smoke is bad for you, so what? I don’t give a flyin shit. THC is produced naturally by the body anyways so don’t give me shit about “purified THC” and whatnot. How the hell would you purify THC anyways? There aren’t any other chemicals to take out! Thats one of the good things about it. If it was soooooo bad for you would they let patients smoke medical marijuana?

And if you drink while saying this shit, you’re a fucking hypocrite. At least no one has died from marijuana. And I know yo’re saying, “But what about emphysema, or wrecks while driving intoxicated??” Thats not from marijuana, thats from emphysema and being stupid. So there.

PS. If it was really that bad would it have been around for almost 700 years or more? Shut up and use a vaporizer or injest it like this guy is saying. Now how about we keep on fucking subject instead of turning this into a damn bashing session for potheads?

[quote]Yolked Up wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
People think you are talking about cigarettes I think. Most people don’t know about THCs solubility in fat. Anyway, consuming mj is not quite the same as smoking it because you have to wait for it to kick in, and even then the effects are different. I would rather just roll a j and walk down to a park and smoke there.

Yeah smoking is good for a quick hit to give you a ‘head high’. But I persoanlly prefer the ‘total body’ high from eating the stuff even though it does take longer imo it’s worth the wait. [/quote]

If you like the body stuff I recommend trying LSA through a full extraction from Hawaiian Baby Woodrose.

[quote]swirly wrote:
Smoke is bad for you, so what? I don’t give a flyin shit. THC is produced naturally by the body anyways so don’t give me shit about “purified THC” and whatnot. How the hell would you purify THC anyways? There aren’t any other chemicals to take out! Thats one of the good things about it. If it was soooooo bad for you would they let patients smoke medical marijuana? And if you drink while saying this shit, you’re a fucking hypocrite. At least no one has died from marijuana. And I know yo’re saying, “But what about emphysema, or wrecks while driving intoxicated??” Thats not from marijuana, thats from emphysema and being stupid. So there.

PS. If it was really that bad would it have been around for almost 700 years or more? Shut up and use a vaporizer or injest it like this guy is saying. Now how about we keep on fucking subject instead of turning this into a damn bashing session for potheads?[/quote]

Really uninformed post.

  1. You produce cannabinoids, but not THC
  2. Yes there are other chemicals to take out, if you took out the CBD you would have a shorter but more intense experience
  3. If weed did cause life ending emphysema from smoking then yes the weed is killing you
  4. It’s been around for far longer than 700 years. By a lot.

Even though you are wrong about most of your points, I think it’s pretty clear that prohibition of cannabis is one of the biggest problems in the 21st century.

  1. Ok I guess you got me there.
  2. No, cannabinoids cause the high.
  3. No, because you die because of emphysema, not pot.
  4. Thats why I said or more.

[quote]swirly wrote:
Smoke is bad for you, so what? I don’t give a flyin shit. THC is produced naturally by the body anyways so don’t give me shit about “purified THC” and whatnot. How the hell would you purify THC anyways? There aren’t any other chemicals to take out! Thats one of the good things about it. If it was soooooo bad for you would they let patients smoke medical marijuana? And if you drink while saying this shit, you’re a fucking hypocrite. At least no one has died from marijuana. And I know yo’re saying, “But what about emphysema, or wrecks while driving intoxicated??” Thats not from marijuana, thats from emphysema and being stupid. So there.

PS. If it was really that bad would it have been around for almost 700 years or more? Shut up and use a vaporizer or injest it like this guy is saying. Now how about we keep on fucking subject instead of turning this into a damn bashing session for potheads?[/quote]

It’s time to log out and go put a “Baby Einstein” video in your DVD player. Ask mom to help you out if you are having trouble.

[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:

Even though you are wrong about most of your points, I think it’s pretty clear that prohibition of cannabis is one of the biggest problems in the 21st century.
[/quote]

Anyone know WHY it’s prohibition even exists? It started as a way to control the mexican immigrant population in the Southwest. It was purely political, NOT because it was harmful and the government was trying to protect people. The Bureau of Narcotics head, Anslinger, had said he would not make it illegal till he was pressured by the Southwest. He then reversed his position and used movie propaganda to back it up.

Watch from about 6:45

Then watch:

The health aspects are obviously debatable, but to live in a society where alcohol use/abuse is rampant and dangerous, I agree that marijuana prohibition is a little silly.

sXe for the motherfucking win!

I thought the prohibition started due to William Randolph Hearst’s conflicting business interests
http://billstclair.com/hemplie.html

What I don’t really understand is, if the above is true then why the hell is it banned in just about every country in the world?

I’m just guessing here but I think it’s because mj is relatively easy to produce and if it was legal, people would just start growing their own and would just stop buying booze and cigs cause they suck in comparison. But we all know that the tobacco and alcohol industries are BIG business.

[quote]cueball wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:

Even though you are wrong about most of your points, I think it’s pretty clear that prohibition of cannabis is one of the biggest problems in the 21st century.

Anyone know WHY it’s prohibition even exists? It started as a way to control the mexican immigrant population in the Southwest. It was purely political, NOT because it was harmful and the government was trying to protect people. The Bureau of Narcotics head, Anslinger, had said he would not make it illegal till he was pressured by the Southwest. He then reversed his position and used movie propaganda to back it up.

Watch from about 6:45

Then watch:

The health aspects are obviously debatable, but to live in a society where alcohol use/abuse is rampant and dangerous, I agree that marijuana prohibition is a little silly.[/quote]

Good post. And it wasn’t only that, it was also that hemp was threatening too many large money-producing markets, especially the rope business.

Anslinger is the true meaning of evil hypocrite.

Nice.

What exactly is a “double boiler”

Expand on this part, I’m confused and sort of an amateur - “First, fill the bottom section of a double boiler with water”

[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
Nice.

What exactly is a “double boiler”

Expand on this part, I’m confused and sort of an amateur - “First, fill the bottom section of a double boiler with water”[/quote]

This is a double boiler.

If you don’t have one then i suppose you could just place a smaller sauce pan inside a larger one.

So if you’re using the latter fill the large sauce about half way with water and allow it to boil. Then empty the capsule mixture into the small saucepan and just keep stirring it to saturate the content. I forgot to mention the second time around I added a tbsp of water to the ingridients, so when it eventually started steaming, I knew the mixture was almost ready.

[quote]Yolked Up wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
Nice.

What exactly is a “double boiler”

Expand on this part, I’m confused and sort of an amateur - “First, fill the bottom section of a double boiler with water”

This is a double boiler.

If you don’t have one then i suppose you could just place a smaller sauce pan inside a larger one.

So if you’re using the latter fill the large sauce about half way with water and allow it to boil. Then empty the capsule mixture into the small saucepan and just keep stirring it to saturate the content. I forgot to mention the second time around I added a tbsp of water to the ingridients, so when it eventually started steaming, I knew the mixture was almost ready.[/quote]

Awesome! Thanks. I’m actually going to try your experiment eventually. I don’t have a capping machine or a double boiler but I’ve been seriously considering some sort of home made edible maryjane operation.

I’ve thought about brownies and cookies all the time, but pills would be perfect. Given I already take a bunch on a daily basis anyways (vitamins and such)

What exactly do you mean by this - “using your capsule machine encapsulate the mixture, but keep the container itself in the freezer (so the oil doesn’t defrost while you’re making the capsules).”

Do you mean you can only put so much into your capping machine at a time, and the stuff that doesn’t fit in, put back into the freezer?

Thanks a bunch :slight_smile:

[quote]Wise Guy wrote:

What exactly do you mean by this - “using your capsule machine encapsulate the mixture, but keep the container itself in the freezer (so the oil doesn’t defrost while you’re making the capsules).”

Do you mean you can only put so much into your capping machine at a time, and the stuff that doesn’t fit in, put back into the freezer?

Thanks a bunch :)[/quote]

Basically that meant take out small amounts of the powder out at a time to fill into the capsules (you don’t want the oil to defrost before you have a chance to encapulate it), but that’s only a problem if you’re using vegcaps like I do (since the oil tends to melt the caps). But if you’re using regular gelatine caps you shouldn’t have a problem here.

Did a little digging around. Found this. Here - Home - Cannabis MD- Medical Cannabis-Marijuana Community

For patients concerned with the possibility that smoking medical marijuana may have harmful effects on the lungs, and for those who require a maximum dose of medicinal compounds, oral ingestion of marijuana is preferred over smoking or vaporizing. However, some patients have had unstable or unsuitable results, so we offer this detailed explanation and simple recipe.

When marijuana is eaten rather than smoked, the human liver produces natural cannabinoid metabolites that enter the bloodstream, creating a stronger effect than when cannabis smoke is absorbed by the lungs. The common technique of baking marijuana in brownies or other foods is effective, but unpredictable. The medicinal cannabis compounds are melted into the food when cooking, so the absorption of the herb is complicated by digestion of the food. Therefore, the optimum medicinal benefits are easier to predict and manage when marijuana is cooked with coconut oil and packed into gelatin capsules.

THC, the most powerful medicinal compound in cannabis, is available by prescription from licensed physicians. But most patients who try Marinol discover that it is far too psychoactive. THC is only one of a handful of cannabis compounds that work together harmoniously. For example, it is known that Cannabidiol (CBD) has sedative effects that offset the stimulative effects of pure THC. That is a part of why pure THC pills are known to overpower the senses. In order to get the optimum medicinal benefits without unwanted side effects, all of the natural cannabis compounds should be taken together as nature intended. Thus these homemade “Mari pills” are far superior to pharmeceutical Marinol. Plus, at a cost of up to $12 per tablet, Marinol is much more expensive than pills made from the natural plant.

Commonly, patients use marijuana leaf for cooking and flower tops (buds) for smoking. This practice is often based on frugality, as marijuana leaf is usually too harsh to smoke, yet too valuable to waste. But, as explained above, cannabinoid compounds such as CBD are more of a sedative than a stimulant, and because marijuana leaves usually contain a higher percentage of CBD than THC, eating cannabis leaf can make one especially drowsy. This recipe calls for the use of quality cannabis buds and leaves mixed together. Patients must experiment with different quantities of bud versus leaf to discover the ratio that works best for their specific conditions.

One of the drawbacks of eating marijuana leaf is the common complaint of stomach irritation. The top side of cannabis leaves are coated with thousands of microscopic thorns, and these sometimes cause minor intestinal irritation, even after grinding. For some patients, the use of leaf in Mari Pills is not tolerable, and in such cases, the use of buds alone, without the addition of leaf, is preferred. Note: the small leaves found in the marijuana flower tops are not as difficult to digest as the large “fan” leaves that grow from the stems. Also, the small bud leaves are far more potent than the larger leaves required for photosynthesis. As a general rule, the smaller leaves growing closest to the flower tops are closest to the plant’s resin glands, and therefore have the greatest amount of medicinal compounds.

The ratio of bud versus leaf used in these pills affects the values of the recipe, I.E.: leaf tends to grind down to a more powdery consistency than bud, and leaf tends to absorb less oil than does bud, and so the exact details of this variation must be determined by personal experience. The quantities recorded below will fluctuate with differences in the type of marijuana used.

Especially for those with tender digestion, all marijuana must be ground to a fine consistency before cooking. A new coffee grinder that does not contain coffee residue is preferred. First, using scissors or by hand, remove as much of the stem material as possible. Stems have NO medicinal value, and eating hemp stalk is likely to irritate the stomach. If the marijuana contains seeds, they may be included, as hemp seeds are highly nutritious, but again, they do not contain THC, CBD, or any of the other medicinal compounds found in marijuana. All material must be dry. Grind the herb to a fine consistency.

Cannabis compounds are oil-based and do not mix with water, but they boil at 392 degrees F. Cannabis compounds bond with fatty compounds when heated. While many types of vegetable oils may suffice, we find the best results are obtained using coconut oil. Coconut oil has been shown to have powerful anti-viral and anti-fungal properties

One half ounce of dried and cleaned marijuana ground to fine powder in a small coffee grinder equals about one half cup of powder. Set the half-cup of green powder by the stove. Use a very small saucepan. Add 3 or 4 tablespoons of unprocessed virgin coconut oil. Set burner on medium, and use a candy thermometer (up to 400 degrees) to bring the oil to a temperature of 350 degrees. Note: the temperature of heated oil generally rises about 25 degrees after being removed from medium stove heat, so remove from stove at about 325, then wait a moment until the temperature peaks and begins to fall. When the oil reaches 350 degrees add the entire half-cup of powder all at once. The oil will sizzle slightly as the reaction takes place. Stir thoroughly, making sure that the powder and oil are completely mixed. (Do not use thermometer for stirring because it might break.) If the mixture is not pasty, then carefully add more green powder or oil. (Only use enough oil to saturate the green powder to a dark green paste. Too much oil makes messy pills-too little, and the cannabis compounds will burn instead of bonding to the fat content of the oil.) Mix thoroughly, then return to burner on medium heat. Watch the temperature. Continue mixing until the paste looks more oily at about 300 to 325 degrees. Those who have used non-smoking marijuana vaporizers will recognize the smell of vapor trails that rise at 300 to 325 degrees. As soon as the vapor trails appear strongly, remove from heat and mix, then set aside to cool. (Accurate temperature control is most important. After heating, the paste should still be about the same color. If the paste has turned rich brown instead of dark green, the product was overheated and the majority of medicinal compounds were lost.) Let the paste cool below 100 degrees before packing into gelatin capsules using standard herbal gel cap machines available for under $20 at most health food stores. This recipe makes about 50 of the large size gelatin capsules. Do not use vegetarian gel caps that can melt from exposure to vegetable oils. Pills stored in a freezer will maintain potency for many months.

Common doses are in the range of 2 to 5 pills, depending on the quality of the marijuana used and the patient’s personal use. We find the most appreciable results are obtained when the pills are taken just before dinner as therapeutic effects manifest more fully during periods of relaxation and limited activity.