[quote]simpstr1 wrote:
…any church goers in here? anybody belief in a higher power?[/quote]
Yes. Christian and attend a non-denominational church.
I am a believer and walk the walk.
I go to church but I’m not especially religious.
I like the idea of setting aside some time every week to work on my spiritual health the same way I go the the gym for my physical health or read for my mental health.
I was raised Catholic and love the Catholic Mass, the Church, and the traditions but my own beliefs diverge from Catholicism so greatly that I really can’t call myself Catholic any longer. So, I go to Church for the quiet, and the sense of community, and to spend some spiritual time, but no longer go up for Communion.
if one were to study the pre-christian religions, one would find a similarity in all religious beliefs.
If you have mistletoe, holly and a tree in your house, that is an abominations in the words of the bible, cause it stems from pre-christian origins, and was incorporated into the christmas holidays in order to gain followership among the pagans, And subsequently gain control.
that is not the only anti-christlike things that are celebrated today that are outside of the teachings of the Bible.
Besides, ya’all were raised in the US or Canada. if ya’all were raised in India, you’d be hindi. If you’all were raised in Pakistan, you’d be muslim.
ever consider that?
and if you would just watch ‘The History Channel’ then you’d realize that we were seeded from some ancient alien race, and someday they will be back to claim us.
(shakes head)
[quote]Edgy wrote:
if one were to study the pre-christian religions, one would find a similarity in all religious beliefs.
If you have mistletoe, holly and a tree in your house, that is an abominations in the words of the bible, cause it stems from pre-christian origins, and was incorporated into the christmas holidays in order to gain followership among the pagans, And subsequently gain control.
that is not the only anti-christlike things that are celebrated today that are outside of the teachings of the Bible.
Besides, ya’all were raised in the US or Canada. if ya’all were raised in India, you’d be hindi. If you’all were raised in Pakistan, you’d be muslim.
ever consider that?
and if you would just watch ‘The History Channel’ then you’d realize that we were seeded from some ancient alien race, and someday they will be back to claim us.
(shakes head)[/quote]
I thought you did not like video games.
That is from Assassins creed game, most excellent.
Roman Catholic, raised that way, don’t follow it much anymore. The business behind religion has turned me off, stuff like the Church hiding pedofile priests (not saying that all of them are, but the ones that are or were).
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I thought you did not like video games.
That is from Assassins creed game, most excellent. [/quote]
you mean that my whole belief system is based on a video game?
wtf?
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I thought you did not like video games.
That is from Assassins creed game, most excellent. [/quote]
you mean that my whole belief system is based on a video game?
wtf?[/quote]
hahaahahahhaahahaahahaahahahaaha
Yes, yes it is.
Irony can be so sweet.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
A mosque, now thats where you wana go![/quote]
Been there.
I’ve had a few running small arms fights in mosques to pull out the human shields (generally kids and women) the Hajis were hiding behind before the Zoomies in their F-15s dropped the 1000lbers on everyone.
The secondary explosions from all the explosives the “worshippers” had in the mosque basements were impressive.
Nothings says you worship the God of Love and Peace like hiding behind women and children while you make IEDs in the basement of your mosque!
BTW: If they had those wooden pews the Protestants use, they really could have gone Alamo on us; rugs don’t stop bullets very well.
I think religion can be beautiful, so many teach of Love and understanding and compassion.
Yet, most of what we read about religion or the religious in the news is about Hate.
I was raised going to church. We had a preacher who spoke of love, understanding and compassion. When I started to watch the news, listen more to what others were really saying, and thinking of the difference between choice and force, I backed away of religious affiliation.
There is a lot of fear, anger and demonizing in politics today and often on religious grounds.
I will stop there so this does not go to PWI.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
A mosque, now thats where you wana go![/quote]
Been there.
I’ve had a few running small arms fights in mosques to pull out the human shields (generally kids and women) the Hajis were hiding behind before the Zoomies in their F-15s dropped the 1000lbers on everyone.
The secondary explosions from all the explosives the “worshippers” had in the mosque basements were impressive.
Nothings says you worship the God of Love and Peace like hiding behind women and children while you make IEDs in the basement of your mosque!
BTW: If they had those wooden pews the Protestants use, they really could have gone Alamo on us; rugs don’t stop bullets very well.[/quote]
Cool story bro,
i forgot every mosque on the planet is filled with bearded terrorists, just like every priest fucks boys, and every Rabbi is rich as fuck and deals jewels on the side.
[quote]KAS wrote:
Whether you like it or not everyone in modern society has been heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian values or “morals”. Your “internal moral compass” has been set by your environment and personal experiences.
What if you were born into a cannibalistic tribe in the South Pacific? Do you really think you “internal moral compass” would point you in the same direction as it does now? Or course not. The fact is, you grew up in a society who’s laws and ideals were originally based on Judeo-Christian law.
Most of the civilised world believe in a good chunk of 10 Commandments.
You don’t have to believe in God, but you can’t deny how much you’ve been influenced by his followers.[/quote]
Yes and Judeo-Christian law was made up by humans at some point in history, so maybe we aren’t that bad after all.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Cool story bro,
i forgot every mosque on the planet is filled with bearded terrorists, just like every priest fucks boys, and every Rabbi is rich as fuck and deals jewels on the side.
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Well, I’ve never been shot at from a Church or a Temple or whatever Jews call it, but I’ve been pinned down several times by assholes in prayer towers who just blew up bombs in market places and killed their fellow citizens, so that colors my world view.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m a follower of Jesus, but the church is a corrupt business today.
Edited to add: Your thread doesn’t surprise me after reading your post on forgiveness in the Whitney Houston thread.
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Its just so much easier to love then hate.
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Nope.
I believe that one only needs rules if they have no internal moral compass.
Empathy doesn’t require religion.[/quote]
Yeah, but I’ll bet you can name a ton of self-rightous religious folk who do not possess one bit of empathy. I think you know what I mean… short of taking this over to PWI. 
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Exactly.
And this thread will end up there by morning anyway.
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DId I put this in the wrong thread?
[quote]Ler012 wrote:
I am a Christian and am a very proud church goer.
JMan- Your point about how you dont like most Christians was interesting, and I agree with you to a point. But your actually right on about giving yourself up to Christ for guidance and forgiveness. I cant say Christians are horrible people but as humans we all sin, every one of us. We all make mistakes and that includes passing judgment on others but I can honestly say that there are some people I go to church with, that I met through church, that are amazing people. No one on this Earth is perfect. But its great to see that there are some followers in here. [/quote]
Well said…I think that perhaps some of the worse people are in the church. I’m trying to live my life a different way, a positive way, a change in my perspective. Instead of complaining I thank GOD what I DO have. I’m trying not to pass judgement on people but give them the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been unemployed for 6 months and every month I manage to take care of all my bills and even have some fun.
I’m walking by faith! I know what he’s done for me and this is just a test and its almost over for me because I can feel something inside that tells me that I’m about to prosper so I’m not depressed or sad, I’m excited to see what he has in store for me.
[quote]turboII wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
I believe that one only needs rules if they have no internal moral compass.
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Isn’t having an internal moral compass mean having rules that you set for yourself?[/quote]
No.[/quote]
The human conscience cannot be trusted, we are way too intelligent and perceptive to where we can justify just about anything we do regardless of the negative effect it may have on others.[/quote]
Maybe yours can’t be trusted.
And the conscience of those who claim to have religion can’t be trusted simply upon the fact that they profess to believe in some sort of higher power. [/quote]
So on what grounds do you assume that you are morally superior to myself or anyone else…?
You sound like the Christians that turned me away from church and Ghandi spoke of.
Human nature in of itself is sinful and self-serving, just look at toddlers.
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I didn’t realize I was claiming to be superior. I was only pointing out that those who profess to claim cannot necessairly be trusted simply based on their claims.[/quote]
I agree. Walk the walk, don’t just talk. Going to church thinking that makes you a Christian is like believing sitting in a garage makes you a car.
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YES!
[quote]Ler012 wrote:
[quote]turboII wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
I believe that one only needs rules if they have no internal moral compass.
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Isn’t having an internal moral compass mean having rules that you set for yourself?[/quote]
No.[/quote]
The human conscience cannot be trusted, we are way too intelligent and perceptive to where we can justify just about anything we do regardless of the negative effect it may have on others.[/quote]
Maybe yours can’t be trusted.
And the conscience of those who claim to have religion can’t be trusted simply upon the fact that they profess to believe in some sort of higher power. [/quote]
So on what grounds do you assume that you are morally superior to myself or anyone else…?
You sound like the Christians that turned me away from church and Ghandi spoke of.
Human nature in of itself is sinful and self-serving, just look at toddlers.
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I didn’t realize I was claiming to be superior. I was only pointing out that those who profess to claim cannot necessairly be trusted simply based on their claims.[/quote]
I agree. Walk the walk, don’t just talk. Going to church thinking that makes you a Christian is like believing sitting in a garage makes you a car.
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I agree with your last point somewhat but it sounds like that has diluted your entire concept of what church is. Church is not just a building where people go to make themselves feel better about the bad things theyve done all week. It is supposed to be a group of believers who want to share, spread, worship, celebrate and live the Gospel. That is church. The reason Im even saying this is because I once was very turned off of church. But through God’s grace I was led to a church that not only feels like a family but has made my walk with Christ so much deeper and beautiful that I feel like I had to share. I dont know if you have had bad experiences with church or not but if you have dont let it keep you from going/trying other places. Theres nothing wrong with trying out different places, not necessarily to “fit” your beliefs but to belong to a community that can help change your life and others through Christ.
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I like church for the fellowship but my pastor is a yeller and I prefer a more softer simpler word which I can get elsewhere but I was raised in the church and it does make you feel good after going.
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]KAS wrote:
Whether you like it or not everyone in modern society has been heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian values or “morals”. Your “internal moral compass” has been set by your environment and personal experiences.
What if you were born into a cannibalistic tribe in the South Pacific? Do you really think you “internal moral compass” would point you in the same direction as it does now? Or course not. The fact is, you grew up in a society who’s laws and ideals were originally based on Judeo-Christian law.
Most of the civilised world believe in a good chunk of 10 Commandments.
You don’t have to believe in God, but you can’t deny how much you’ve been influenced by his followers.[/quote]
You are correct. I did grow up in a good enviornment, with loving parents and have always had all of my needs met.
I have often wondered what I would have been like had I had a different upbringing.
Do I wonder this because of who I am or what my upbringing was like? I don’t know the answer.
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Perhaps both.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
Me and Jesus are tight. I go to church, but don’t like to follow any set religion, per se. I’m the kind of guy who was completely changed by the “Hate Religion, But Love Jesus” thing. My church is non-denominational, so we preach the gospel of Jesus and follow his teachings.
I don’t like a lot of rules and guidelines and do-this-and-you’re-going-to-hell type of thing. I believe that Christ is my one and only savior, he died for me and the rest of humanity, and that he’s the reason why I’m here today. Plain and simple; not much to it.
CS[/quote]
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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]simpstr1 wrote:
…any church goers in here? anybody belief in a higher power?[/quote]
Yes. Christian and attend a non-denominational church.
I am a believer and walk the walk.
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Nice to hear.