Americans won’t give up their guns. It’s that simple. It’s embedded in our country’s DNA and to take guns away would mean massive blood shed… “Hey, we solved school shootings(now they just use knives and bombs) but we had to kill over a million people so we could take their guns away to do it.”
Oh go on then, I’ll bite.
I think all the shootings are a combo of 2 factors (that I can think of now)
- There are about 80 million gun owners in the USA - about 25% of the population owns at least one gun.
It’s just a statistical probability with that many gun owners that there’ll be some crazies.
- Mental & spiritual health in the West is getting worse.
We live in very selfish, individualistic, material focused cultures, where ego & consumption have replaced community & ethics.
Combine the two & it’s inevitable there will be frequent shootings.
I’m surprised there aren’t a lot more shootings.
From Wikipedia
1 United States 101[5][6] According to the Congressional Research Service, as of 2009 there were roughly twice as many guns per capita in the United States as there were in 1968: more than 300 million guns in all.[5][7] 50% of U.S. guns are owned by 3% of the population.[8]
Yet, it looks like murder and violent crime per capita is lower. Why didn’t it double? What am I missing?
I’d blame a decade of being babysat by online multi player shooting games, but everybody would just write me off as a stodgy old loon.
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I wouldn’t. Take yesteryear’s bullied outcast. Feed him a steady diet of violent, often graphic TV and movies. Heck, even the attitudes portrayed in some music. Now add the ability to simulate fast paced slaughter over and over and over in video games. A highly desensitized individual who sees how much fame (infamy, but still) and chaos (not just on scene, but throughout the nation) he can cause. No longer just another nameless loser. Now he’s a kid being talked about around the nation. He’s causing big things to happen and to be talked about. He’s causing marches and heated debates. His story is spreads throughout the forums and chat rooms he found he used as a social outlet. Even further, throughout the web! Power.
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That has nothing to do with anything. Why do people feel the need to come up with analogies? We are talking about one issue: school shootings. Nothing will ever get done if we start to argue about the analogies.
But if you must, there can be legal consequences for online bullying so your analogy and point are moot.
You’re free to express that. Thanks to the 1st Amendment.
Yeah, but we can still regulate violence in media much more.
We already know what will happen if we don’t.
Mexico isn’t sending us enough “bad hombres.”
Coming from a recent generation in school, (grad 2010), our dropout rate was unbelievable. Drug abuse was unbelievable. 9s in lockers… I knew of 3. And not a single one of their parents gave a shit.
Yes. Guns make it easier. Yes guns are easy to get a hold of. But I’d put money on the table it is just the social state of our country today.
I might humor this conversation more later, just my 2 cents.
That explains it.
The analogy makes perfecy sense.
There are legal consequences for shooting people…
I for one am not going to entertain the notion of giving up my freedom because a bunch of asshole keep shooting schools up. Especially because it won’t solve a thing.
Confiscating guns will not stop school shootings or mass killings.
But why argue with analogies? It’s just a diversion from the topic. I could now post about how your analogy doesn’t make perfect sense but what good will that do when it comes to school shootings?
And if gun confiscation won’t solve a thing then why be afraid to discuss it? Maybe a way to get something off the table is to put it on the table.
And neither will not confiscating them. Here’s the problem: you see me saying it should be on the table in a DISCUSSION as meaning we should confiscate them. And I don’t mean an online discussion since we aren’t changing the world from here but a discussion by the people who have the power to affect change.
No, it helps to illustrate the fallacy of an argument. Discussing taking a constitutionally guaranteed right (individual gun ownership) because a small percentage of idiots abuse them is like taking a constitutionally guranteed right (speech) because a small percentage of idiots bully other kids online. It’s the same ridiculous argument, take rights from those that do the right thing because a small percentage do the wromg thing.
Because a) it’s a waste of time imo and b) gun ownership is coded in the constitution and the 2a isn’t being amended anytime soon.
No, I don’t see the point in even discussing it and I’m not going to any further.
It’s just words. We shouldn’t fear discussion.
Apparently any discussion is a waste of time.
No one asked you to. I’m saying the politicians need to.
Oh! I like this game!
You know what’s going to happen if you drink water? You’re going to die.
You know what’s going to happen if you drink bleach? You’re going for to die.
Exactly the same thing.