If it is a no-carb PWO drink, I kinda hope they unveil some super secret new thing too, just because it’s a slight disappointment otherwise.
Anaconda will either be a topical or a sublingual.
[quote]Bullit wrote:
I’m with spades on this one. I handle PWO carbs just fine, under maintenance or bulking situations. I let myself get too fat last time I bulked though and ended up over 20% bf for the first time in my life. Lossing it required dumping ALL sugars, grains, starches, etc. The only carbs I got were from veggies and nuts.
I didn’t start adding Surge Recovery back in until I got below 15% bf and even then only a half serving during the workout (which has now been replaced by Workout Fuel). PWO I still just have whey protein. Once I get back down below 10%, I’ll add Surge Recovery back in PWO and be more careful with my bulking nutrition.[/quote]
I don’t handle carbs well, either, but as long as my calories are within reasonable levels, and I train hard, I have absolutely no problem losing fat eating ~125g of carbs a day. About half of that is PWO. I see no reason why such a small amount of carbs would affect anything but to enhance recovery.
I tried the AD for a few months. I did low-carb for a while. I think it’s pointless now. There’s no reason a human body should be so fucked by PW Surge that it would affect fat loss. Like I said, you just lifted heavy things. I can understand limiting carbs throughout the day, which I do, but PWO without carbs is just stupid. PWO is the only time carbs are actually the best choice. Might as well use it when you can get away with it.
Instead of a Low-carb Surge product, I think Biotest should just say, ‘Don’t be a schmuck. Drink your fuckin’ Surge!". Perpetuating carb paranoia isn’t helping anyone.
Remember, you just lifted heavy things.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Instead of a Low-carb Surge product, I think Biotest should just say, ‘Don’t be a schmuck. Drink your fuckin’ Surge!". Perpetuating carb paranoia isn’t helping anyone.
Remember, you just lifted heavy things.[/quote]
I’m in the same boat you are. Carbs make me fat but eating 50gs of them after my workout from Surge has never had an adverse effect.
Some people claim it does. Quite a few people do glutamine+whey isolate + bcaas/glycine etc for their PWO drink. If there is a part of the market that Biotest can get into and its viable, it is a good business strategy to do so.
Keep in mind they are a company, they will make the highest quality products available. If people want a product and they can make it and it works to their standards of high quality, they’re going to make it.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
fnastu22 wrote:
Thibs wrote in the article discussion for this week’s monday with Thibs that Biotest might be releasing a ‘no-carb post-workout formula’ soon.
This is what I’d like to see next!
I can’t be the only one that doesn’t see the point. Is fifty grams of carbs PW such a problem even during a cut?
You just lifted heavy things for a while. You can handle it.[/quote]
Don’t be so quick to assume. I’ve done cuts where I didn’t start making progress until I dropped the SURGE Recovery, even when keeping my carbs around 100 grams or less. So yes, sometimes 50 grams of PW carbs makes a difference during a cut. I’m also borderline diabetic and sometimes don’t handle SURGE Recovery well.
Also, a no-carb pwo formula would be ideal for people on a keto diet. There are many ways to diet down and lean out, but people doing it through ketosis will love the idea of a no carb shake.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
fnastu22 wrote:
Thibs wrote in the article discussion for this week’s monday with Thibs that Biotest might be releasing a ‘no-carb post-workout formula’ soon.
This is what I’d like to see next!
I can’t be the only one that doesn’t see the point. Is fifty grams of carbs PW such a problem even during a cut?
You just lifted heavy things for a while. You can handle it.
Don’t be so quick to assume. I’ve done cuts where I didn’t start making progress until I dropped the SURGE Recovery, even when keeping my carbs around 100 grams or less. So yes, sometimes 50 grams of PW carbs makes a difference during a cut. I’m also borderline diabetic and sometimes don’t handle SURGE Recovery well.[/quote]
Vader, are you honestly saying you can’t lose fat at all while eating even a small amount of carbohydrate?
That doesn’t seem right.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Anaconda will either be a topical or a sublingual.[/quote]
Sublingual would be badass.
I can see the points some of you are making FOR a low-carb PWO drink…but if the 50g in Surge is that much of a detriment to some of you; just don’t use as much.
Then again, I’ve never done a ketosis cut cycle so it could be utilized for that i guess.
I’ve gone all day/night sans carbs (minus stuff from veggies) and just had Surge; that wasn’t too much…and i am pretty sensitive to carbs.
Hopefully anaconda isn’t just a PWO drink. that would be a letdown similar to finding out your girlfriend of 3months had an Adams’ apple.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
I don’t handle carbs well, either, but as long as my calories are within reasonable levels, and I train hard, I have absolutely no problem losing fat eating ~125g of carbs a day. About half of that is PWO. I see no reason why such a small amount of carbs would affect anything but to enhance recovery.
I tried the AD for a few months. I did low-carb for a while. I think it’s pointless now. There’s no reason a human body should be so fucked by PW Surge that it would affect fat loss. Like I said, you just lifted heavy things. I can understand limiting carbs throughout the day, which I do, but PWO without carbs is just stupid. PWO is the only time carbs are actually the best choice. Might as well use it when you can get away with it.
Instead of a Low-carb Surge product, I think Biotest should just say, ‘Don’t be a schmuck. Drink your fuckin’ Surge!". Perpetuating carb paranoia isn’t helping anyone.
Remember, you just lifted heavy things.[/quote]
Why the hell are you so adamant that what you’ve experienced works for everyone?
I had BETTER results with fat loss and STRENGTH GAINS when I cut out SURGE Recovery and stayed low carb, high fat, moderate protein.
Theres a difference between carb paranoia and optimizing your diet results.
[quote]elusive wrote:
Also, a no-carb pwo formula would be ideal for people on a keto diet. There are many ways to diet down and lean out, but people doing it through ketosis will love the idea of a no carb shake.[/quote]
Exactly.
Different people will need to tweak various dietary approaches to optimize their results. None of this is one-size-fits-all, especially when it comes to maintaining your strength and size while dieting.
Back on topic - This is pretty cool. Anaconda must be pretty damn close to being dropped on us if CT is mentioning it by name in his own regimen.
It sure has a lot to live up to over the years.
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
Why the hell are you so adamant that what you’ve experienced works for everyone?
I had BETTER results with fat loss and STRENGTH GAINS when I cut out SURGE Recovery and stayed low carb, high fat, moderate protein.
Theres a difference between carb paranoia and optimizing your diet results. [/quote]
Yeah! I started on a low carb diet and the fat was dropping of. Then I got a dumbass idea of adding a Carb PWO “Recovery” drink, what a mistake that was!
Now I’m on Whey (50g), Glutamine (20g), and an Orange PWO and the fat is starting to drop off again.
A No Carb Recovery Drink will get my PWO dollars!
LR
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
I don’t handle carbs well, either, but as long as my calories are within reasonable levels, and I train hard, I have absolutely no problem losing fat eating ~125g of carbs a day. About half of that is PWO. I see no reason why such a small amount of carbs would affect anything but to enhance recovery.
I tried the AD for a few months. I did low-carb for a while. I think it’s pointless now. There’s no reason a human body should be so fucked by PW Surge that it would affect fat loss. Like I said, you just lifted heavy things. I can understand limiting carbs throughout the day, which I do, but PWO without carbs is just stupid. PWO is the only time carbs are actually the best choice. Might as well use it when you can get away with it.
Instead of a Low-carb Surge product, I think Biotest should just say, ‘Don’t be a schmuck. Drink your fuckin’ Surge!". Perpetuating carb paranoia isn’t helping anyone.
Remember, you just lifted heavy things.[/quote]
I’m the last person you’d call carbphobic. I love that stuff in all its forms. I’ve even tried the double dose Surge protocol with great success on a bulk and will do it again when I’m done cutting.
I just couldn’t shake the fat off this time. I attribute it to letting myself get over 20% and the fact that I don’t ride my mtn bike much anymore. Surge was the last carb source I dropped and then I started getting good results. I’ve been using a PN style diet without the PWO type meals and the fat has been coming off faster now than when I did the goddamn V-Diet last year and the year before that and the year before that…
It was CT’s article that actually got me to drop the Surge in the first place. He doesn’t recommend Surge for people over 15%. At <15% he recommends half serving which I’ve now added back. At under 10% knock your self out. So don’t assume too much about what Biotest and its contributors should recommend.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
fnastu22 wrote:
Thibs wrote in the article discussion for this week’s monday with Thibs that Biotest might be releasing a ‘no-carb post-workout formula’ soon.
This is what I’d like to see next!
I can’t be the only one that doesn’t see the point. Is fifty grams of carbs PW such a problem even during a cut?
You just lifted heavy things for a while. You can handle it.
Don’t be so quick to assume. I’ve done cuts where I didn’t start making progress until I dropped the SURGE Recovery, even when keeping my carbs around 100 grams or less. So yes, sometimes 50 grams of PW carbs makes a difference during a cut. I’m also borderline diabetic and sometimes don’t handle SURGE Recovery well.
Vader, are you honestly saying you can’t lose fat at all while eating even a small amount of carbohydrate?
That doesn’t seem right.[/quote]
Yes, many times, fat loss did not start for me until I dropped SURGE from my diet.
See the previous responses from other posters for more examples. I’m not the only person with this experience. Not everything works for everyone or works for everyone in the same ways. This shouldn’t be news to anyone that has been at this for a little while.
I think “Anaconda” has been the codename for several different unreleased supplements over the last few years. After they decided against producing/releasing one, they wanted to roll over the hype they’d built up to the next product in the pipeline. From what I remember being hinted a couple years ago, I doubt the original sup bearing this name had anything to do with a low-carb pwo drink.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
fnastu22 wrote:
Thibs wrote in the article discussion for this week’s monday with Thibs that Biotest might be releasing a ‘no-carb post-workout formula’ soon.
This is what I’d like to see next!
I can’t be the only one that doesn’t see the point. Is fifty grams of carbs PW such a problem even during a cut?
You just lifted heavy things for a while. You can handle it.
Don’t be so quick to assume. I’ve done cuts where I didn’t start making progress until I dropped the SURGE Recovery, even when keeping my carbs around 100 grams or less. So yes, sometimes 50 grams of PW carbs makes a difference during a cut. I’m also borderline diabetic and sometimes don’t handle SURGE Recovery well.
Vader, are you honestly saying you can’t lose fat at all while eating even a small amount of carbohydrate?
That doesn’t seem right.
Yes, many times, fat loss did not start for me until I dropped SURGE from my diet.
See the previous responses from other posters for more examples. I’m not the only person with this experience. Not everything works for everyone or works for everyone in the same ways. This shouldn’t be news to anyone that has been at this for a little while.[/quote]
It’s not. I just found it incredibly odd that a small amount of any one macronutrient would completely disallow fat loss in a training individual at a caloric deficit. If it’s what happens, then I can’t argue with it, but I have no clue why it is.
I am all for a low-carb PWO drink. I can do the deadly drift with carbs and not even notice that I am eating more.
and I feel better low carb
BUT… no way… they are making a product that will be topical and fat burning like Lean Legs. They gotta. I sacrificed a dozen eggs to the supplement gods.
[quote]etaco wrote:
I think “Anaconda” has been the codename for several different unreleased supplements over the last few years. After they decided against producing/releasing one, they wanted to roll over the hype they’d built up to the next product in the pipeline. From what I remember being hinted a couple years ago, I doubt the original sup bearing this name had anything to do with a low-carb pwo drink.[/quote]
I fully agree with your statement. Especially if it has any of the ingredients PonceDeLeon suggested. Anaconda has been rumoured around here for at least what? 5 years? It seems like it either never panned out or that the ingredients have kept changing.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
BUT… no way… they are making a product that will be topical and fat burning like Lean Legs. They gotta. I sacrificed a dozen eggs to the supplement gods.
[/quote]
Do you use lean legs?
LR
[quote]TYR wrote:
etaco wrote:
I think “Anaconda” has been the codename for several different unreleased supplements over the last few years. After they decided against producing/releasing one, they wanted to roll over the hype they’d built up to the next product in the pipeline. From what I remember being hinted a couple years ago, I doubt the original sup bearing this name had anything to do with a low-carb pwo drink.
I fully agree with your statement. Especially if it has any of the ingredients PonceDeLeon suggested. Anaconda has been rumoured around here for at least what? 5 years? It seems like it either never panned out or that the ingredients have kept changing. [/quote]
Five years? Really? I thought it was 2?
If it was mentioned that far back, then, you have to guess that it was a pro-hormone type supplement, and THEN it became something “that would rival pro-hormones” because of the ban.
When it is finally released, I would like TC or someone to explain that statement, now that pro-hormones are illegal and that the product was in development before the ban (supposedly). I’d like to know if the ban had any affect on the formulation.
Just have to wait, I guess.