Another New Supp on the Horizon?

Diet and Nutrition
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[quote]DSQ98 wrote:
Good pickup. I went back to Nate’s Q&A and from the same post you quoted he says, “Other than a few peri- and post- workout supplements that will be released VERY soon here on T-Nation…”

A FEW new supplements! We may be seeing a few new supplements very soon. Sounds like they’re geared around the workout time period.

There were some hints given in the article Future of Steroids and Supplements An Interview with Chris Lockwood
and Dr. Tim Ziegenfuss, Part 2.

Here’s the link: All Articles - T NATION

Here’s some teasers from the article.

There’s a new form of creatine ? creatine pyruvate ? that we’re in the final stages of preparation, involving a complex formulation.

Finally, there are some new casein hydrolysates that are extremely interesting. They contain some di- and tripeptides that are absorbed more quickly and completely than anything else on the planet.

I’m interested in two different “actives” (plant extracts) for their sympathomimetic (stimulating) effects and powerful lipolytic (fat loss) effects.
However, with any luck at all, we’ll be introducing some mind-blowing actives to the supplement world over the next few months.
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I found this extremely interesting from the same article:

"My greatest, personal interest is in compounds that may act to inhibit various players involved in the calpain system. For example, some of the leading researchers in this field, principally those looking at ways to cure muscular dystophy and the like, have theorized that it may be activation of the calpain system that causes DOMS.

If you’re not familiar with calpains, the simple explanation is that as intracellular calcium reaches a threshold, these calpains are somehow activated. One of the actions of a particular calpain is to cut large swaths of contractile protein at the Z-line, thus making those large proteins available to other proteolytic enzymes that can then “chop off” the exposed amino acid residues.

To put it in really simply terms, if you can inactivate that calpain, you don’t lose the protein and you grow bigger a lot faster."

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Got it.

Surge Preworkout Fuel.

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Nature just had a publication about how Calpain works to sense Ca2+ and then shut itself off before cleaving too much at once.

A quality new nootropic is never a bad thing to have!

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Oh man, am I sick of hearing about anaconda.

“Hey Derek, when are you gonna drop Blue Steel on us?!”

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Thibs wrote in the article discussion for this week’s monday with Thibs that Biotest might be releasing a ‘no-carb post-workout formula’ soon.

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Then that might contain the casein hydrolysate proteins that have been talked about.

I am curious how they will achieve the insulin rush of the current Surge Recovery, or if they’ll even be as concerned with it.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Then that might contain the casein hydrolysate proteins that have been talked about.

I am curious how they will achieve the insulin rush of the current Surge Recovery, or if they’ll even be as concerned with it.[/quote]

I feel like they’d just use Leucine to simulate that, but thats just me guessing.

My current low carb PWO looks like:

30g WPI
5g Leucine
5g additional BCAA
15g glutamine
5g creatine

Works pretty well. It aint no Surge, but it does the job.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Then that might contain the casein hydrolysate proteins that have been talked about.

I am curious how they will achieve the insulin rush of the current Surge Recovery, or if they’ll even be as concerned with it.[/quote]

I’m guessing that with all of the experimentation they’ve been doing with L-Leucine and the insulin regulating/support supps in ReceptorMax, coupled with what you mention on these new sexy “designer” proteins that they may be getting past using carbs for the insulin surge. Just guessing though…

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A “low-carb Surge” would be nice as i find it difficult to eat an hour or so later after my workouts. This never happened with just Whey protein isolate which had little carbs. I still get my meal down after the workout but maybe this new protein mix will be something to look into.

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If a low carb Surge is the, or at least a, new supp coming out. The bigger question is not what great stuff will be in it, but how are they going to make hydrolysates not taste like ass without tons of sugar.

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[quote]fnastu22 wrote:
Thibs wrote in the article discussion for this week’s monday with Thibs that Biotest might be releasing a ‘no-carb post-workout formula’ soon.[/quote]

This is what I’d like to see next!

Plus, I’m pretty sure Bill Roberts said that the new topical supplement should be out soon.

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[quote]AngryVader wrote:
fnastu22 wrote:
Thibs wrote in the article discussion for this week’s monday with Thibs that Biotest might be releasing a ‘no-carb post-workout formula’ soon.

This is what I’d like to see next![/quote]

I can’t be the only one that doesn’t see the point. Is fifty grams of carbs PW such a problem even during a cut?

You just lifted heavy things for a while. You can handle it.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
fnastu22 wrote:
Thibs wrote in the article discussion for this week’s monday with Thibs that Biotest might be releasing a ‘no-carb post-workout formula’ soon.

This is what I’d like to see next!

I can’t be the only one that doesn’t see the point. Is fifty grams of carbs PW such a problem even during a cut?

You just lifted heavy things for a while. You can handle it.[/quote]

I’m with you on this too. Just plan the rest of your diet around the fact that your going to take in PWO carbs.

I love carbs now lol.

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While I’m sure my body could handle it, I tend to do better body comp wise the less carbs I have, especially when dieting. The first carbs I’ll add back in are SURGE pwo, and now SWF peri workout and the PWO meal.

Plus, if you’re doing a ketogenic diet, or a restricted carb diet like the AD then the PWO carbs are out of the question on your non carb-up days. A low-carb Surge would allow these people to recover their muscles while not throwing off their body’s fat burning state.

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I’m with spades on this one. I handle PWO carbs just fine, under maintenance or bulking situations. I let myself get too fat last time I bulked though and ended up over 20% bf for the first time in my life. Lossing it required dumping ALL sugars, grains, starches, etc. The only carbs I got were from veggies and nuts.

I didn’t start adding Surge Recovery back in until I got below 15% bf and even then only a half serving during the workout (which has now been replaced by Workout Fuel). PWO I still just have whey protein. Once I get back down below 10%, I’ll add Surge Recovery back in PWO and be more careful with my bulking nutrition.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I’m about the change my own workout supplementation since Biotest is sending me a new product to test (a no-carbs post-workout drink).

So it will likely be:

SURGE Workout Fuel 1/2 scoop prior to training
SURGE Workout Fuel 1/2 scoop during training
Anaconda 1 serving post workout[/quote]

Written 5 mins ago, on the last page of Thibs gets ripped thread.

LR

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[quote]London Runner wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I’m about the change my own workout supplementation since Biotest is sending me a new product to test (a no-carbs post-workout drink).

So it will likely be:

SURGE Workout Fuel 1/2 scoop prior to training
SURGE Workout Fuel 1/2 scoop during training
Anaconda 1 serving post workout

Written 5 mins ago, on the last page of Thibs gets ripped thread.

LR[/quote]

Well, that should cause some buzz…
Thanks LR

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[quote]London Runner wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I’m about the change my own workout supplementation since Biotest is sending me a new product to test (a no-carbs post-workout drink).

So it will likely be:

SURGE Workout Fuel 1/2 scoop prior to training
SURGE Workout Fuel 1/2 scoop during training
Anaconda 1 serving post workout

Written 5 mins ago, on the last page of Thibs gets ripped thread.

LR[/quote]

does this mean Anaconda is the no carb-PWO drink? if so, I’ll be disappointed

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[quote]London Runner wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I’m about the change my own workout supplementation since Biotest is sending me a new product to test (a no-carbs post-workout drink).

So it will likely be:

SURGE Workout Fuel 1/2 scoop prior to training
SURGE Workout Fuel 1/2 scoop during training
Anaconda 1 serving post workout

Written 5 mins ago, on the last page of Thibs gets ripped thread.

LR[/quote]

That makes it sound as though Anaconda is a PWO no-carb protein drink. hmmm.

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I’m still holding out that Anaconda isn’t the post-workout no carbs drink, I believe that it is wasy past the “testing” stages and CT is refering to something else.

Just hoping.