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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
To slaughter them at Little Big Horn? [/quote]

You are confusing your native american tribes. LBH was Lakota and a couple others. Also, it’s about 1,000 miles away.

Fort Sumner is the Fort where we Mescalero killed everyone. I think Clint Eastwood did a movie about that, or it played into one of his movies.[/quote]

Sorry I was speaking of Native Americans adopting repeaters before the US Calvary in general. Custer’s last stand being the most famous instance of it biting them in the ass, I brought it up. Should have clarified. I didn’t remember there being a battle (or massacre) at Fort Sumner. I thought it was essentially a prison for the Navajo. Does the conflict have a name to make it easier to google??

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I plan on bow hunting this year (recurve - I wanted to start with something challenging) and possibly move into rifle in a year or so to hopefully help fill my freezer! [/quote]

You are doing this backwards. Start with a rifle. You have to get so close with a recurve (20 yards or less, IMHO).

I’ve done that my whole life, and you really have to be aware of wind, scent, noise, etc. A lot of that is impossible to learn except with years of practice under your belt.

Trust me, I’m an Indian. We adopted the Henry repeating rifle before the Cavalry did for a fricking reason.[/quote]

Ya, I guess I could. I figure I’m a pretty good shot with a rifle so there’s not much challenge to it. For me it’s not just about the meat, but also bettering myself as a man and a person.

I’ve had my recuve for about a year and half now and I getting pretty good with it. I am definitely lacking in experience though, you’ve got that right.
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The actual shot is about 1% of hunting, especially if you stalk.[/quote]

I would rather stalk vs. hide/stand hunting.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I plan on bow hunting this year (recurve - I wanted to start with something challenging) and possibly move into rifle in a year or so to hopefully help fill my freezer! [/quote]

You are doing this backwards. Start with a rifle. You have to get so close with a recurve (20 yards or less, IMHO).

I’ve done that my whole life, and you really have to be aware of wind, scent, noise, etc. A lot of that is impossible to learn except with years of practice under your belt.

Trust me, I’m an Indian. We adopted the Henry repeating rifle before the Cavalry did for a fricking reason.[/quote]

Ya, I guess I could. I figure I’m a pretty good shot with a rifle so there’s not much challenge to it. For me it’s not just about the meat, but also bettering myself as a man and a person.

I’ve had my recuve for about a year and half now and I getting pretty good with it. I am definitely lacking in experience though, you’ve got that right.
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If you feel comfortable with it then go for it. Honestly, whether you have been hunting where you are effectively sniping deer or not, archery hunting is totally different and there will be plenty of lessons that you have to learn. The extra attention paid to scent, wind, and movement being the biggest. I grew up hunting really close distances even with a rifle so it wasn’t quite as big of a learning curve for me but bean and corn field hunters typically don’t get a whole lot of carryover knowledge to archery.[/quote]

Gotcha.

I need to learn more about tracking & scent for sure. Wind I should be okay with especially the more I practice.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
To slaughter them at Little Big Horn? [/quote]

You are confusing your native american tribes. LBH was Lakota and a couple others. Also, it’s about 1,000 miles away.

Fort Sumner is the Fort where we Mescalero killed everyone. I think Clint Eastwood did a movie about that, or it played into one of his movies.[/quote]

Sorry I was speaking of Native Americans adopting repeaters before the US Calvary in general. Custer’s last stand being the most famous instance of it biting them in the ass, I brought it up. Should have clarified. I didn’t remember there being a battle (or massacre) at Fort Sumner. I thought it was essentially a prison for the Navajo. Does the conflict have a name to make it easier to google??[/quote]

It was an interment for the Navajo and a small number of the foothills Mescalero. The Sierra Blanca Mescalero (my people) were pissed it was messing up our Lincoln County cattle ranching operation (and equally pissed about the Navajo who were not exactly a friendly tribe) and basically came down the mountain into the valley and took it out.

(The fort is on a platue, had no walls, and long-range rifles could be used from some distance to snipe at any movement within the fort)

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Haha what is the pressure like on the deer herd in your state? Private or Public land? Stalk huntings difficulty goes up drastically with the education of the deer herd. 15 yds and in stalk hunting is a serious feat, especially in the big woods east of the Mississippi that have deer being shot at and terrified of people as soon as they can walk.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Haha what is the pressure like on the deer herd in your state? Private or Public land? Stalk huntings difficulty goes up drastically with the education of the deer herd. 15 yds and in stalk hunting is a serious feat, especially in the big woods east of the Mississippi that have deer being shot at and terrified of people as soon as they can walk. [/quote]

I’m not sure. All I know is deer will walk within about 20 yards of me right in my back yard. Although I can’t hunt there.

Pic is off my back deck.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I plan on bow hunting this year (recurve - I wanted to start with something challenging) and possibly move into rifle in a year or so to hopefully help fill my freezer! [/quote]

You are doing this backwards. Start with a rifle. You have to get so close with a recurve (20 yards or less, IMHO).

I’ve done that my whole life, and you really have to be aware of wind, scent, noise, etc. A lot of that is impossible to learn except with years of practice under your belt.

Trust me, I’m an Indian. We adopted the Henry repeating rifle before the Cavalry did for a fricking reason.[/quote]

Ya, I guess I could. I figure I’m a pretty good shot with a rifle so there’s not much challenge to it. For me it’s not just about the meat, but also bettering myself as a man and a person.

I’ve had my recuve for about a year and half now and I getting pretty good with it. I am definitely lacking in experience though, you’ve got that right.
[/quote]

If you feel comfortable with it then go for it. Honestly, whether you have been hunting where you are effectively sniping deer or not, archery hunting is totally different and there will be plenty of lessons that you have to learn. The extra attention paid to scent, wind, and movement being the biggest. I grew up hunting really close distances even with a rifle so it wasn’t quite as big of a learning curve for me but bean and corn field hunters typically don’t get a whole lot of carryover knowledge to archery.[/quote]

Gotcha.

I need to learn more about tracking & scent for sure. Wind I should be okay with especially the more I practice. [/quote]

I was mainly talking about the winds effect on your scent, as in learning (since you want to stalk) how to approach animals from downwind so that your scent doesn’t drift over them. If you are stalk hunting, the second that deer catches a wiff of you, he is nervous (if he isn’t gone). Trying to stalk an already nervous deer is a near impossibility in most archery instances.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I plan on bow hunting this year (recurve - I wanted to start with something challenging) and possibly move into rifle in a year or so to hopefully help fill my freezer! [/quote]

You are doing this backwards. Start with a rifle. You have to get so close with a recurve (20 yards or less, IMHO).

I’ve done that my whole life, and you really have to be aware of wind, scent, noise, etc. A lot of that is impossible to learn except with years of practice under your belt.

Trust me, I’m an Indian. We adopted the Henry repeating rifle before the Cavalry did for a fricking reason.[/quote]

Ya, I guess I could. I figure I’m a pretty good shot with a rifle so there’s not much challenge to it. For me it’s not just about the meat, but also bettering myself as a man and a person.

I’ve had my recuve for about a year and half now and I getting pretty good with it. I am definitely lacking in experience though, you’ve got that right.
[/quote]

If you feel comfortable with it then go for it. Honestly, whether you have been hunting where you are effectively sniping deer or not, archery hunting is totally different and there will be plenty of lessons that you have to learn. The extra attention paid to scent, wind, and movement being the biggest. I grew up hunting really close distances even with a rifle so it wasn’t quite as big of a learning curve for me but bean and corn field hunters typically don’t get a whole lot of carryover knowledge to archery.[/quote]

Gotcha.

I need to learn more about tracking & scent for sure. Wind I should be okay with especially the more I practice. [/quote]

I was mainly talking about the winds effect on your scent, as in learning (since you want to stalk) how to approach animals from downwind so that your scent doesn’t drift over them. If you are stalk hunting, the second that deer catches a wiff of you, he is nervous (if he isn’t gone). Trying to stalk an already nervous deer is a near impossibility in most archery instances. [/quote]

Oh right, gotcha. I thought you were referring to the deer themselve. Ya I have a basic understanding of “human” scent, staying down wind, etc… Obviously I could still learn more.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Haha what is the pressure like on the deer herd in your state? Private or Public land? Stalk huntings difficulty goes up drastically with the education of the deer herd. 15 yds and in stalk hunting is a serious feat, especially in the big woods east of the Mississippi that have deer being shot at and terrified of people as soon as they can walk. [/quote]

I’m not sure. All I know is deer will walk within about 20 yards of me right in my back yard. Although I can’t hunt there.

Pic is off my back deck. [/quote]

Yeah, they do that at my house too. You belong at your house and they have gotten use to you not being a threat there. However when you go in the woods, they know that you are not something that is typically there if they sense you. They will not have nearly the same reaction in the woods.

All this sounds like I am trying to discourage you, but I am not. I would mainly just caution you to temper your expectations and prepare come home empty for a while before you manage to put it all together. It is a definite learning process but that’s half the fun. Enjoying the hunt more than the kill (or lack thereof) is what you have to learn to do.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Haha what is the pressure like on the deer herd in your state? Private or Public land? Stalk huntings difficulty goes up drastically with the education of the deer herd. 15 yds and in stalk hunting is a serious feat, especially in the big woods east of the Mississippi that have deer being shot at and terrified of people as soon as they can walk. [/quote]

I’m not sure. All I know is deer will walk within about 20 yards of me right in my back yard. Although I can’t hunt there.

Pic is off my back deck. [/quote]

Yeah, they do that at my house too. You belong at your house and they have gotten use to you not being a threat there. However when you go in the woods, they know that you are not something that is typically there if they sense you. They will not have nearly the same reaction in the woods.

All this sounds like I am trying to discourage you, but I am not. I would mainly just caution you to temper your expectations and prepare come home empty for a while before you manage to put it all together. It is a definite learning process but that’s half the fun. Enjoying the hunt more than the kill (or lack thereof) is what you have to learn to do. [/quote]

No, I appreciate what you’re writing. I honestly don’t expect to bag a deer this year. I would love to though!

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Haha what is the pressure like on the deer herd in your state? Private or Public land? Stalk huntings difficulty goes up drastically with the education of the deer herd. 15 yds and in stalk hunting is a serious feat, especially in the big woods east of the Mississippi that have deer being shot at and terrified of people as soon as they can walk. [/quote]

I’m not sure. All I know is deer will walk within about 20 yards of me right in my back yard. Although I can’t hunt there.

Pic is off my back deck. [/quote]

Yeah, they do that at my house too. You belong at your house and they have gotten use to you not being a threat there. However when you go in the woods, they know that you are not something that is typically there if they sense you. They will not have nearly the same reaction in the woods.

All this sounds like I am trying to discourage you, but I am not. I would mainly just caution you to temper your expectations and prepare come home empty for a while before you manage to put it all together. It is a definite learning process but that’s half the fun. Enjoying the hunt more than the kill (or lack thereof) is what you have to learn to do. [/quote]

No, I appreciate what you’re writing. I honestly don’t expect to bag a deer this year. I would love to though![/quote]

And you might, sometimes you get lucky. The first year I turkey hunted on my own I was 14, I bagged two birds my first two years. I was like wow, this is easy. I went the next 4 years learning lessons and not bagging birds. Luckily I had my Dad that I could comeback to and ask, what would you have done in this situation and get his thoughts. That shortened the learning curve for me. Hunting is a lot like Martial Arts in that it is a lifelong pursuit and you always be learning or perfecting. And that’s just with one type of game. Nevermind if you hunt several different animals.

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Some good advice here. As far as being a good shot with a gun, that all changes once you have a deer in your sights, especially if you have to be patient. If it happens quick you don’t have time to be nervous. I got my first and only case of buck fever about 10 years ago and I have been hunting for over forty years.

Hopefully you realize those deer in the picture are wayyyyy too far to shoot with a bow.

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I just thought of something else. If you do get a hit on an animal with a bow, give it some time before you start tracking. Mark the place that you shot the deer and take a seat, head out to get some help or some lunch or dinner or something. With a bow, you have an animal bleeding out from a slicing wound, not quite the same as the shock of a rifle bullet liquefying organs.

The death takes a little bit and there is no need to risk pushing an animal that may cause you to lose it. You can listen for the crash but you don’t always get that with a deer. Sometimes they just lay down. When you start tracking, be careful and do not hurry. You do not want to risk stepping on blood and losing it.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I just thought of something else. If you do get a hit on an animal with a bow, give it some time before you start tracking. Mark the place that you shot the deer and take a seat, head out to get some help or some lunch or dinner or something. With a bow, you have an animal bleeding out from a slicing wound, not quite the same as the shock of a rifle bullet liquefying organs.

The death takes a little bit and there is no need to risk pushing an animal that may cause you to lose it. You can listen for the crash but you don’t always get that with a deer. Sometimes they just lay down. When you start tracking, be careful and do not hurry. You do not want to risk stepping on blood and losing it. [/quote]

Okay, I’ll remember that.

Oh and Testy, ya those deer are way to far, lol! That’s like 75-100 yards.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Haha what is the pressure like on the deer herd in your state? Private or Public land? Stalk huntings difficulty goes up drastically with the education of the deer herd. 15 yds and in stalk hunting is a serious feat, especially in the big woods east of the Mississippi that have deer being shot at and terrified of people as soon as they can walk. [/quote]

Want a tip there? Cut up apple slices and put them in your pockets. Great snack too!

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I plan on bow hunting this year (recurve - I wanted to start with something challenging) and possibly move into rifle in a year or so to hopefully help fill my freezer! [/quote]

You are doing this backwards. Start with a rifle. You have to get so close with a recurve (20 yards or less, IMHO).

I’ve done that my whole life, and you really have to be aware of wind, scent, noise, etc. A lot of that is impossible to learn except with years of practice under your belt.

Trust me, I’m an Indian. We adopted the Henry repeating rifle before the Cavalry did for a fricking reason.[/quote]

Ya, I guess I could. I figure I’m a pretty good shot with a rifle so there’s not much challenge to it. For me it’s not just about the meat, but also bettering myself as a man and a person.

I’ve had my recuve for about a year and half now and I getting pretty good with it. I am definitely lacking in experience though, you’ve got that right.
[/quote]

If you feel comfortable with it then go for it. Honestly, whether you have been hunting where you are effectively sniping deer or not, archery hunting is totally different and there will be plenty of lessons that you have to learn. The extra attention paid to scent, wind, and movement being the biggest. I grew up hunting really close distances even with a rifle so it wasn’t quite as big of a learning curve for me but bean and corn field hunters typically don’t get a whole lot of carryover knowledge to archery.[/quote]

Gotcha.

I need to learn more about tracking & scent for sure. Wind I should be okay with especially the more I practice. [/quote]

I was mainly talking about the winds effect on your scent, as in learning (since you want to stalk) how to approach animals from downwind so that your scent doesn’t drift over them. If you are stalk hunting, the second that deer catches a wiff of you, he is nervous (if he isn’t gone). Trying to stalk an already nervous deer is a near impossibility in most archery instances. [/quote]

The hardest ones are the large bucks. Unless you can catch them being stupid during rut. They didn’t get that large by being dumb usually.

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Haha I eat an apple or a pear every morning on my way to my stand. I think that is some of the best cover scent money can buy ha and amen to the large bucks. I hunted a 150 class 11 pt for 2 years straight a couple years ago. He always stayed just a step ahead, coming thru an hour before daylight, or an hour after, never giving me a chance. My neighbor was walking to his stand during the rut and the stupid thing walked out into the log road with him at 60 yards broadside. He killed him and instantly called me ha.

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I have a hard time with the cover scents and such. If a dog can sniff out a joint totally encased in a tire, a deer can smell you over your cover scent. Just pay attention to the wind.

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I agree with you. The one time that I use them is walking in I will spray my boots. Not convinced it really does anything though. I think that lures like Doe or Buck urine are by far more effective than your typical scent killers.