Another Gun Thread

[quote]Spry wrote:

Law is meant to change with the requirements of society of the present day.[/quote]

You are absolutely correct - so show me where the law has changed.

Remember, you can’t show me where the mood or attitude of people has changed, because that isn’t law - show me where the law has been changed.

Another question based on this hypothetical - an old law in Australia from, say 1908, makes you pay $50 a month as some tax. The law has never been changed - it still says you have to pay $50, same as 1908 - but now the government sent you a bill saying, because of inflation and the need for more government revenue, they are asking for $1000 a month instead of $50.

What is your defense?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Spry wrote:

Law is meant to change with the requirements of society of the present day.

You are absolutely correct - so show me where the law has changed.

Remember, you can’t show me where the mood or attitude of people has changed, because that isn’t law - show me where the law has been changed.

Another question based on this hypothetical - an old law in Australia from, say 1908, makes you pay $50 a month as some tax. The law has never been changed - it still says you have to pay $50, same as 1908 - but now the government sent you a bill saying, because of inflation and the need for more government revenue, they are asking for $1000 a month instead of $50.

What is your defense?[/quote]

I bet his defense won’t be a gun.

Owning a gun is about more than defending yourself from your government. I grew up in a small town in the middle of no-where. We had three police officers in my town who worked Mon-Fri 9-5. If you called the police any other time it was a long long wait. Even in the city, if you call the cops it’s going to take them 3-5 minutes even in the best case scenario. By the time you realize that the bump you heard in the night was actually someone coming in through the window, 3-5 minutes will be an eternity, and that’s if you have the time to make the call.

As a man I have the right to defend myself and my family.

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Owning a gun is about more than defending yourself from your government. I grew up in a small town in the middle of no-where. We had three police officers in my town who worked Mon-Fri 9-5. If you called the police any other time it was a long long wait. Even in the city, if you call the cops it’s going to take them 3-5 minutes even in the best case scenario. By the time you realize that the bump you heard in the night was actually someone coming in through the window, 3-5 minutes will be an eternity, and that’s if you have the time to make the call.

As a man I have the right to defend myself and my family.

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Exactly. It is not just to protect society against an over reaching government, it is to protect against criminals, it is to hunt with, it can be used for many things.

There is no question in my mind that private ownership of firearms is protected by the second amendment.

It is reasonable to debate if there is a limit on the type of weapon (should a RPG be considered for private ownership) and it is reasonable to strip rights from criminals but the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I carry a gun because cops are too heavy.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Spry wrote:

Law is meant to change with the requirements of society of the present day.

You are absolutely correct - so show me where the law has changed.

Remember, you can’t show me where the mood or attitude of people has changed, because that isn’t law - show me where the law has been changed.

Another question based on this hypothetical - an old law in Australia from, say 1908, makes you pay $50 a month as some tax. The law has never been changed - it still says you have to pay $50, same as 1908 - but now the government sent you a bill saying, because of inflation and the need for more government revenue, they are asking for $1000 a month instead of $50.

What is your defense?[/quote]

If its a Commonwealth Law (not a State one):

I would apply to the Federal Court of Australia to make a decision if this is legal or not (and would likely debate the meaning of our constitution).

Why do I need an RPG for this?

The law that gives you your gun also gives you peaceful remindies to disputes with your government.

Its a sad world you all live in.

Weapons are neccessary to protect the State and its citizens but it is anarchy to have private citizens having large amounts of firepower.

I don’t see why you need more than a single shot rifle for home defense.

And if you need to carry a concealled weapon to walk the streets then the world you live in is shit and you’d be better off going on a killing spree and blowing your brains out soon after and making the 5 oclock news.

[quote]Spry wrote:

If its a Commonwealth Law (not a State one):

I would apply to the Federal Court of Australia to make a decision if this is legal or not (and would likely debate the meaning of our constitution).

Why do I need an RPG for this?[/quote]

You need an RPG for that when it is something important and the government is taking the wrong side. The government was fully supportive of slavery. Should the slaves have accepted the court’s decision? I notice you reiterated the question without responding to my answer in the last post. Good for you.[quote]

The law that gives you your gun also gives you peaceful remindies to disputes with your government.[/quote]

And that’s why you aren’t to consider revolt until, “A long train of abuses.”[quote]

Its a sad world you all live in.[/quote]

And it’s the real world. You seem to live in happy fun land. [quote]

Weapons are neccessary to protect the State and its citizens but it is anarchy to have private citizens having large amounts of firepower.

I don’t see why you need more than a single shot rifle for home defense.
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Then you haven’t ever had to fire a gun in anger deadeye. Then again you may well just be the greatest gunfighter ever since you seem to be able to handle multiple attackers in close quarters with a single shot rifle on your nightstand. I’m surprised that you don’t advocate using an old black powder musket, complete with the little powder horn and stamping rod. Perhaps have a little smelting pot by the bed heated by a sterno stove so you can cast your own musket ball.[quote]

And if you need to carry a concealled weapon to walk the streets then the world you live in is shit and you’d be better off going on a killing spree and blowing your brains out soon after and making the 5 oclock news.
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And since you don’t seem to feel the need to carry a weapon perhaps you should blow YOUR brains out so that way the mother of your children can find someone who is willing to properly protect them.

And I repeat myself: Why do you feel the need to lecture me about my country and my culture? You don’t see me posting about how Australia needs to grow a pair and get their guns back. It’s your country, do with it what you will. Why is it so hard to extend the same courtesy?

mike

[quote]Spry wrote:

If its a Commonwealth Law (not a State one):

I would apply to the Federal Court of Australia to make a decision if this is legal or not (and would likely debate the meaning of our constitution).[/quote]

Right - the point being, the law hasn’t changed. And you want to challenge it, and your argument is that the law says “$50”. And if you are willing to take it to court, you think the government’s demand under the law is wrong.

When the law hasn’t changed, it remains the law. If society wants to change it, no problem - convene via democratic means and change the law. Till they do, the law remains the law.

[quote]Spry wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
Why do you care about this one way or the other?

I care and am saddened that this happens a little too regularly:

“The gunman, who police said had a shotgun and two handguns, stepped onto the lecturer’s stage near the end of a mid-afternoon geology class at Northern Illinois University and began shooting down the room, sending terrified and bleeding students fleeing, witnesses said. He then shot himself on the same stage.” Rueters

Its just sad that someone can have 2 concealed weapons at all, let alone another shotgun, all perfectly legal (in fact the state may not even question them on this fact).

How can having so much firepower ever be necessary for a private citizen?
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its illegal to carry a firearm on most campuses. Its also illegal to have cocaine, meth or pot. Its also illegal, in most states, to kill other people. I believe in most states it is illegal to steal stuff, rape women etc. Making things illegal doesn’t seem to help much does it?
Maybe if some of those kids had their pistols, and their head not up their ass, they could have shot him before he hurt as many regular folks. Maybe if it was acceptable for people to fight someone who harrasses them continually this stuff wouldn’t happen.