Another Example of Disrespect for Teachers

anon50325502 · July 2, 2015, 8:39pm

[quote]Aero51 wrote:
usmccds423, sometimes I think you ask questions just for the sake of asking questions.
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I suppose I could act like about 80% of the other posters on here and just state my position, back it up with nothing, and then call you names when you disagree.

Would you prefer that?

anon71478045 · July 2, 2015, 8:43pm

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Aero51 wrote:
usmccds423, sometimes I think you ask questions just for the sake of asking questions.
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I like to know why people think what they think. You’ll notice I never said you were wrong…

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Here is one article I got from the super magical tool named google:

U.S. Students Slide In Global Ranking On Math, Reading, Science : The Two-Way : NPR [/quote]

So other countries score better on a test(s). So what? I don’t mean that sarcastically either. Why does that matter?

Do you know how many times I’ve used Algebra since I first took Algebra 1 my freshman year of high school (2001). One time and that was to prepare for, wait for it, a test. Geometry? Zero times. Trigonometry? Zero times.

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2) How do they know the curriculum wasn’t as good? This is an annoying question. They were in both or multiple. [/quote]

They weren’t in both at the same time. They couldn’t possibly be bias either. Maybe they switched from a very good school to a poor one or vice versa.

An annoying question… No one is holding a gun to your head. There’s no reason to be a dick about it.

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3) A more rigorous curriculum is a good thing relative to what we have now. Rigor helps one develop critical thinking skills. People today don’t think critically. [/quote]

Generalizing a bit don’t you think? A more rigorous curriculum in and of itself does not add value.

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4) 45k a year starting is bullshit pay when you factor in taxes and student loan payments.[/quote]

That’s more than probably 90% of the people in this world make a year and that’s at 22 with zero experience.

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Really they might bring home 70% of that. [/quote]

I bet it’s more than that.

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You can also extend that pay over 12 months. [/quote]
Huh?

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I agree that the summer vacations are bullshit, but at the same time I think Americans deserve more paid time off. In Europe it is common to have a mandatory 4 weeks paid off. Despite what the obnoxious people say who pride themselves on never taking a vacation or being too busy to wipe their ass, vacation is better for productivity and moral. 2 weeks a year is insufficient. [/quote]

I don’t care what Europe does.

How many business’ only offer two weeks? I’ve never worked for anyone that offers less than 3 and usually it’s 4 after the first year. I don’t’ know anyone that has less than 3 weeks paid vacation, plus sick days, plus 8 or so federal holidays.

Anyway, teachers get 3 months off plus at least 2 weeks vacation plus federal holidays plus inclement weather days.

Ya, I googled it.

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6) What evidence do you have to support that education in the USA is superior![/quote]

I never said it was…[/quote]

It is just a measure that shows correlation. It is not absolute but provides insight into a trend.
It is an annoying question.

3)How does added rigor not add value? Our curriculums today are a joke! A Rube Goldberg machine as a science project? Really? That is a specific example but come on…

Teachers can either get paid over 9 or 12 months depending on what their district offers.
I work at a place with 3 weeks vacation for everything with no holidays… This is actually very common sadly. Ive got friends and family who all complain about a lack of work-life balance. I agree that teachers get too much time off.

6)No it isn’t… Between benefits, insurance and taxes most Americans bring home much less than they make. If you are in the military this isn’t the case. The rule of thumb for my company with my pay is a 60/40 split. A teacher might have something closer to 70/30.

LoRez · July 2, 2015, 8:44pm

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How many business’ only offer two weeks? I’ve never worked for anyone that offers less than 3 and usually it’s 4 after the first year. I don’t’ know anyone that has less than 3 weeks paid vacation, plus sick days, plus 8 or so federal holidays.[/quote]

Well, my first “real” job had 0 paid vacation days. We could take unpaid vacation though. We billed hours direct to our clients, we got paid for the time we worked. Not necessarily a bad thing, but there was genuinely no paid vacation.

Every job since then (3) has started at 2 weeks paid, plus federal holidays.

I never said it was…[/quote]
I had more education in France before I was 6 (lived there from age 4-6), and my girlfriend had more education in China before she was 5 (moved here at 5), than anyone I know who was in-country during that time.

I don’t know if the quality of education was necessarily better, but they started earlier, and they also expected to only teach you stuff once.

Whereas, they taught me how to do fractions in math for something like 4 years in a row in elementary school. By 4th grade, I was tired of relearning how to do fractions. There wasn’t any accountability for the fact that you already learned this stuff.

On the other hand, my girlfriend went to bed reciting her multiplication tables at age 5.

TooHuman · July 2, 2015, 8:51pm

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:
Any rational adult wouldn’t put their kids in public schools to begin with and do homeschooling instead. Unfortunately they are taxed to pay your salary, so they have no choice.

Considering the rate at which teachers rape and abuse children as well as forcing drugs on them(especially boys) to conform to their indoctrination, there is nothing to respect them for.

They are the state employees doing the most harm to society. [/quote]
Please elaborate.[/quote]

I’ll elaborate the best that i can for each point, but each is a big topic in and of itself so let me know if anything in particular is worth a further discussion with sources.

First of all there, home-schooled kids do better on standardized tests and graduate earlier, even when it’s their parents(amateurs) administering the schooling. In fact it could be argued that home-schooling is better overall than even the best school districts in the US, not just the average.

Just the recorded incidents of teachers being dismissed and licenses revoked due to sexual misconduct is astronomical. 2500 cases over a 5 year period and about a ~9% rate of sexual misconduct between kindergarten and 12 grade. This is 100 times more common than sexual abuse allegations in the catholic church as an example.
Since 10-20% of adults in large sample surveys report sexual abuse or sexual assault, that means that the majority of abuse and misconduct occurs at schools.

In terms of drug prescriptions, this is referring to SSRI’s(and others) predominantly issued to boys to suppress the natural reaction to the extreme monotony and gender bias of female teachers.

Stress levels among boys between the ages of 8 and 10 and resulting increased levels of aggression can be attributed entirely to gender bias and abuse of boys by female led and female dominated classrooms. This kind of bias against boys even happens in daycare and continues( to a lesser extent) throughout secondary education.

Then there is the moral question of whether it is even possible for teachers to take the position that government involvement in schooling is immoral when they are getting paid through tax mandates(theft) from the parents. This moral hazard weeds out all potential teachers that have even the slightest problem with defacto government control of all aspects of education.

Since a abusing and indoctrinating children is the surest way of insuring they become dysfunctional adult drones and/or violent abusive criminals, there’s no government group more responsible for the problems in society than public school teachers and administrators.

TooHuman · July 2, 2015, 8:57pm

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Aero51 wrote:
usmccds423, sometimes I think you ask questions just for the sake of asking questions.
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I suppose I could act like about 80% of the other posters on here and just state my position, back it up with nothing, and then call you names when you disagree.

Would you prefer that? [/quote]

Questions are hard, though.
Still working on actual links to referenced sources on other discussion, so I understand the irony of this post here.

LoRez · July 2, 2015, 9:02pm

But, in contrast, we have a whole lot less students committing suicide because of low grades (and the social implications that carries). Ref: all the suicides in Japan and South Korea.

We actually had a foreign student in college attempt “suicide by cop” with a faux anthrax scare. What he didn’t anticipate was that the Army would basically use it as an NBC training exercise.

Basically, he got some bad grade in some class, and decided suicide was the answer. From what I understand, he served some time and was sent back home.

anon50325502 · July 2, 2015, 9:03pm

[quote]Aero51 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Aero51 wrote:
usmccds423, sometimes I think you ask questions just for the sake of asking questions.
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I like to know why people think what they think. You’ll notice I never said you were wrong…

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Here is one article I got from the super magical tool named google: