Another Bush Bust

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Hmmm…free trade means that the best product, the best service wins. Are the Lefties on here against that? Very revealing.

No, free trade means you undercut the prices of farmers in Africa by subsidising your own farmers.

And it also means you start to bitch and moan and tax on imports when the Japanese for instance make better cars that your own pampered car manufactering companies.

That’s what free trade means.

Sorry, with my 3 degrees and 139 IQ, I can’t figure out wtf you’re trying to say. Free trade means ‘free’, as in freedom of choice, of opportunity, and such. Because some members of government corrupt this ideal, it does not invalidate the concept; it simply puts the onus on you to vote intelligiently and for people of integrity – most especially those who understand how magnificent true capitalism really is.

Do you guys realize what life was like in the pre-capitalist era? It was hell on earth. We need more capitalism, more freedom, more people who think that all realtionships between humans must be VOLUNTARY on all sides; let the Socialist Workers crap die in the ash can of history.

Alright enough with the damn degrees and IQ numbers. I dont give a shit what your IQ is or how many plaques you have on your wall.

Secondly, were you around before capitalism? Can you tell me what feudalism was about first hand? You, above all other Conservatives, spew more crap that you never back up than anyone else here. But hey, your IQ is 139…I hate to stir the embers of such an obviously fiery intellect.
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Funny as hell. Had anyone on this site labeled a liberal by conservatives screamed out how high their IQ was in relation to a post about economy, all hell would have broken loose.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Hmmm…free trade means that the best product, the best service wins. Are the Lefties on here against that? Very revealing.

No, free trade means you undercut the prices of farmers in Africa by subsidising your own farmers.

And it also means you start to bitch and moan and tax on imports when the Japanese for instance make better cars that your own pampered car manufactering companies.

That’s what free trade means.

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Is this sarcasm? Unfortunately I think not.

The things you listed are the opposite of free trade.

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:

Wow, impressive. Have you been accumulating those degrees since before capitalism came around?
Tell us all what it was like back in the Hell-on-Earth days.

On a more serious note, you address many topics in the above comment.

  • More Capitalism? Okay, since we are a Capitalist ecomony already. Might as well let this little experiment work itself out.

  • More freedom? Are you referring to personal freedom or market/economic freedom? They’re not the same. In fact, they may be mutually exclusive.

  • More who support voluntary relationships? I’m not sure where you’re headed with this one. Please clarify.

Namaste

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Anyone who doesn’t understand the basic principle of civilisation (that any and all relationships between human beings must be VOLUNTARY on all sides) needs to accumulate a few degrees himself. The trouble is that our liberal universities were designed to create the opposite (witness some members on this board). This allows them to believe that FORCE may be introduced into relationships. “Some rich guy doesn’t want to support the poor? Well, let’s FORCE him to! We’ll tax him and threaten him with jail if he doesn’t pay!” Do you see? You’ve been taught a false premise, that some members of a society may be victimized to benefit other members. This we call a society of CANNIBALS.
Also, I am not Hindu but I will say Namaste to you as well:)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Funny as hell. Had anyone on this site labeled a liberal by conservatives screamed out how high their IQ was in relation to a post about economy, all hell would have broken loose.[/quote]

Please feel free to tell us all about yours, Professor. I can’t speak for the others but I really promise not to laugh.

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[quote]Alright enough with the damn degrees and IQ numbers. I dont give a shit what your IQ is or how many plaques you have on your wall.

Secondly, were you around before capitalism? Can you tell me what feudalism was about first hand? You, above all other Conservatives, spew more crap that you never back up than anyone else here. But hey, your IQ is 139…I hate to stir the embers of such an obviously fiery intellect.
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Did you read your post? Well, let’s assume that lurking in there somewhere is a quest for truth. Hmmm…I usually don’t refer to things I consider common knowledge. But, I see that may be an incorrect assumption here. Perhaps H.G. Wells ‘Outline of History’, volume II would do. Shall we find the part where he discusses half of all children dying of starvation before age 5, in the pre-capitalist era? Or having one set of clothes that you never washed (assuming you made it age>5) because you had one set FOR LIFE (the clothing would fall apart)? Hmmm… he may be beyond you.
Does anyone know of a historical comic book for this fellow to read?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Funny as hell. Had anyone on this site labeled a liberal by conservatives screamed out how high their IQ was in relation to a post about economy, all hell would have broken loose.

Please feel free to tell us all about yours, Professor. I can’t speak for the others but I really promise not to laugh.
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You promise not to laugh? You logged in today and thought you were the most intelligent person on line? No one gets to call anyone else out for arrogance after this thread.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

You promise not to laugh? You logged in today and thought you were the most intelligent person on line? No one gets to call anyone else out for arrogance after this thread.[/quote]

Did I say anything of this sort – that I am the most intelligient person here? I think, Professor, you have arrogantly hijacked what I did say.

If you intend to ‘rip’, Professor, be prepared to be ‘ripped’. Three older siblings and a Army sergeant father – I wish you luck.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Alright enough with the damn degrees and IQ numbers. I dont give a shit what your IQ is or how many plaques you have on your wall.

Secondly, were you around before capitalism? Can you tell me what feudalism was about first hand? You, above all other Conservatives, spew more crap that you never back up than anyone else here. But hey, your IQ is 139…I hate to stir the embers of such an obviously fiery intellect.

Did you read your post? Well, let’s assume that lurking in there somewhere is a quest for truth. Hmmm…I usually don’t refer to things I consider common knowledge. But, I see that may be an incorrect assumption here. Perhaps H.G. Wells ‘Outline of History’, volume II would do. Shall we find the part where he discusses half of all children dying of starvation before age 5, in the pre-capitalist era? Or having one set of clothes that you never washed (assuming you made it age>5) because you had one set FOR LIFE (the clothing would fall apart)? Hmmm… he may be beyond you.
Does anyone know of a historical comic book for this fellow to read?[/quote]

When was the pre-Capitalist era?

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At least the Socialist Worker is honest about it’s political leanings. Fox News is not, which makes it more dangerous if it is someone’s only sole news source (that’s a common criticism of news media though…). I think the most damning indication of Fox’s bias is that lefties generally hate it and righties love it!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:

You promise not to laugh? You logged in today and thought you were the most intelligent person on line? No one gets to call anyone else out for arrogance after this thread.

Did I say anything of this sort – that I am the most intelligient person here? I think, Professor, you have arrogantly hijacked what I did say.

If you intend to ‘rip’, Professor, be prepared to be ‘ripped’. Three older siblings and a Army sergeant father – I wish you luck.
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How OLD are you? You sound like you want to get into a game of ‘my dad’s harder than your dad’. Or ‘my brain’s better than your brain.’

If you’re that clever, you’d know that you don’t need to putting emphasis on words using quotation marks is generally considered unsophisticated, right?

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‘The first use of the word “Kapitalist”, “capitalist” was in the Communist Manifesto in 1848 by Marx and Engels, however’

from wiki… ouch. Kinda makes a comment about Engels’ book on The Condition of the Working Class in England not necessary, right?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:

You promise not to laugh? You logged in today and thought you were the most intelligent person on line? No one gets to call anyone else out for arrogance after this thread.

Did I say anything of this sort – that I am the most intelligient person here? I think, Professor, you have arrogantly hijacked what I did say.

If you intend to ‘rip’, Professor, be prepared to be ‘ripped’. Three older siblings and a Army sergeant father – I wish you luck.
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What are you talking about? Did anyone but you profess how high their IQ was or how many degrees they had? Why would you think either are relevant? You thought everyone else was without an education or beneath you in intelligence? What do your siblings have to do with this? What does your father have to do with this? My dad was military as well. What is your point?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rainjack, did you look at my previous post here? Even “Wikipedia” stated that they have been accused of being biased. The proof is there.[/quote]

I am not saying that i agree with what you say. But I am willing to concede this point.

But -

If, as you and a few others contend, all media is biased - why is Fox News used as such a derogatory term when addressing a conservative? Is it a lack of a real rebuttal from the left that they need to throw Fox news into the mix in an attempt to confuse the issue at hand? I think you know what I am talking about - it has happened on this very thread, and was the catalyst of this entire tangent.

Maybe my gripe isn’t so much with the bias that Fox is accused of - maybe it’s the fact that it is used as an argument when it is not even part of the discussion.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
AZMojo wrote:

Wow, impressive. Have you been accumulating those degrees since before capitalism came around?
Tell us all what it was like back in the Hell-on-Earth days.

On a more serious note, you address many topics in the above comment.

  • More Capitalism? Okay, since we are a Capitalist ecomony already. Might as well let this little experiment work itself out.

  • More freedom? Are you referring to personal freedom or market/economic freedom? They’re not the same. In fact, they may be mutually exclusive.

  • More who support voluntary relationships? I’m not sure where you’re headed with this one. Please clarify.

Namaste

Anyone who doesn’t understand the basic principle of civilisation (that any and all relationships between human beings must be VOLUNTARY on all sides) needs to accumulate a few degrees himself. The trouble is that our liberal universities were designed to create the opposite (witness some members on this board). This allows them to believe that FORCE may be introduced into relationships. “Some rich guy doesn’t want to support the poor? Well, let’s FORCE him to! We’ll tax him and threaten him with jail if he doesn’t pay!” Do you see? You’ve been taught a false premise, that some members of a society may be victimized to benefit other members. This we call a society of CANNIBALS.
Also, I am not Hindu but I will say Namaste to you as well:)

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Attacking me right out the gate? Nice.

-In your world, do questions equal opinions? In mine, they’re just questions, although sometimes designed to provoke.

-Correct me if I’m wrong(I’m sure you will), but, are you saying you’re oppossed to taxes, as a concept? How would the country run relying on handouts? Our infrastructure relies on taxes, right?

Civilization is the development beyond primitive culture. It sounds like you have an “every man for himself” attitude. That’s fine if it works for you, but it’s the opposite of civilization. So spare me the lecture.

This is my opinion part, in case there’s any confusion:

Business/employee relationships are seldom voluntary. No, you’re not being forced to take or keep your job, but in the real world we all live in it’s the company way or the highway. You make decisions based on value and consequences, that’s not voluntary. Random drug screening is a great example of that.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Fox doesn’t have more viewers:

Specific examples:

http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/specificbias.htm

More:

FAIR - FAIR is the national progressive media watchdog group, challenging corporate media bias, spin and misinformation. [/quote]

Don’t bother trying to debate with RJ as he is neither honest nor reasonable.

You would have more luck trying to dig through Hoover dam with a piece of rebar.

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I want to retract my previous reply. I didn’t realize he was 15 when I wrote it.

“3 older siblings and an Army Sergeant dad”? Are you kidding me?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
…my 3 degrees and 139 IQ…[/quote]

So what blow hard?

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[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Don’t bother trying to debate with RJ as he is neither honest nor reasonable.

You would have more luck trying to dig through Hoover dam with a piece of rebar. [/quote]

Flattery will get you nowhere. I am very reasonable. Just not to the extent where I will lay down for those that disagree with me. But I would like to know where I have been dishonest.

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is that I really weigh 241 now, not the 230-something I have listed. But that’s not dishonesty, it’s laziness.

Seriously - did you not see where I conceded the point?

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Haha, please excuse my ridiculous typos earlier on, I was letting myself be distracted from an essay by T-Nation… and the distraction evidently went to my typing too…

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rainjack, did you look at my previous post here? Even “Wikipedia” stated that they have been accused of being biased. The proof is there.

I am not saying that i agree with what you say. But I am willing to concede this point.

But -

If, as you and a few others contend, all media is biased - why is Fox News used as such a derogatory term when addressing a conservative? Is it a lack of a real rebuttal from the left that they need to throw Fox news into the mix in an attempt to confuse the issue at hand? I think you know what I am talking about - it has happened on this very thread, and was the catalyst of this entire tangent.

Maybe my gripe isn’t so much with the bias that Fox is accused of - maybe it’s the fact that it is used as an argument when it is not even part of the discussion.

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Well, you questioned my source, and then asked me to prove they were biased. Of course, I can’t really prove (unequivocally) that they are biased, just that many people feel this way. Bill O’Reilly said today (ironically enough) that he looks on Foxnews as a counterweight to the other 75% of the media that he thinks is liberally biased. And that’s fine.

All I am saying is that one is not more credible than another, as the folks that run them both look on politics through far different paradigms.

By the way, I didn’t bring Foxnews up on this thread here. I just responded to what was being said.