Androgel Dosage

Pharma TRT
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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I was given Androgel, 1 month ago 5g dose. The first 10 days for me was not good, I was neaseaus and had anxiety. I was worried, and called my doc who also told me to go to a non-clinical dose. I ended up sticking with 5g dosage and I am happy I did. The anxiety I imagine was me being who I am (a worrier and overall anxious person). I have realized that this same worry has accompanied every new med I took.

Over the past two weeks I have noticed the following (on 5g)

Better mood
More activity sexually
More restfull sleep
Not as tired anylonger
Less anxiety

I feel good, better than I have in quite a while. I will note that this overall better feeling is not an over the top placebo/transient type feeling , I would classify it as simply feeling like myself without the problems I have had before. It seems that the only transient effect was the neaseau. Im getting tested this Sat.

This is one Androgel user who so far is satisifed and so far have not needed to supplement with anything else. IMO do not take a non-clinical dose.

MXL[/quote]

Did you ever look into the E2 issue? I still have a script for androgel sitting on my desk at home but, at 24, I am hesitant to use it.
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Why are you hesitant. Whether you’re hypogonadal at 60 or 24, you need medication, as you’d need medication for any other illness treated with medication.

I’ve NEVER had a problem with estradiol. I don’t know why people on this board are so thick-headed and came to believe that Androgel is shit, that it doesn’t work in most users (actually the opposite is true), that it transfers to others so easily (false, unless you walk around shirtless immediately after and vigorously rub your shoulders and arms against someone else’s body (usually reserved for sex amongst normal people).

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I was given Androgel, 1 month ago 5g dose. The first 10 days for me was not good, I was neaseaus and had anxiety. I was worried, and called my doc who also told me to go to a non-clinical dose. I ended up sticking with 5g dosage and I am happy I did. The anxiety I imagine was me being who I am (a worrier and overall anxious person). I have realized that this same worry has accompanied every new med I took.

Over the past two weeks I have noticed the following (on 5g)

Better mood
More activity sexually
More restfull sleep
Not as tired anylonger
Less anxiety

I feel good, better than I have in quite a while. I will note that this overall better feeling is not an over the top placebo/transient type feeling , I would classify it as simply feeling like myself without the problems I have had before. It seems that the only transient effect was the neaseau. Im getting tested this Sat.

This is one Androgel user who so far is satisifed and so far have not needed to supplement with anything else. IMO do not take a non-clinical dose.

MXL[/quote]

Did you ever look into the E2 issue? I still have a script for androgel sitting on my desk at home but, at 24, I am hesitant to use it.
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Why are you hesitant. Whether you’re hypogonadal at 60 or 24, you need medication, as you’d need medication for any other illness treated with medication.

I’ve NEVER had a problem with estradiol. I don’t know why people on this board are so thick-headed and came to believe that Androgel is shit, that it doesn’t work in most users (actually the opposite is true), that it transfers to others so easily (false, unless you walk around shirtless immediately after and vigorously rub your shoulders and arms against someone else’s body (usually reserved for sex amongst normal people). [/quote]

Because I think there are others ways that I can get my T levels up without shutting down natural production.

So far I have been working with lowering my estradiol levels. Not sure if you followed my thread or not but after .25mg EOD of arimidex my E2 levels were at 42. Optimal level is 22. I want to see if I can get that down and then test my Testosterone levels. Theoretically they should be higher.

What are your opinions? I admit I am not the most knowledgeable about this.

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My insurance doesn’t have a whole lot of qualified doctors in this area and I am holding out hopes for this new doctor. I want my levels around 800 and see how I feel, then we can adjust. She seems pretty open minded. Ideally I would go for test cyp hcg arimidex, based on other peoples’ experiences. It’s just much easier to inject once a week a dose that I know will keep me stable. My appointment is Thursday. I’ll bring all my bloodwork in and ask all of my questions. $350 for the consult. Do you think I can get my prescriptions from just this consult?

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I was given Androgel, 1 month ago 5g dose. The first 10 days for me was not good, I was neaseaus and had anxiety. I was worried, and called my doc who also told me to go to a non-clinical dose. I ended up sticking with 5g dosage and I am happy I did. The anxiety I imagine was me being who I am (a worrier and overall anxious person). I have realized that this same worry has accompanied every new med I took.

Over the past two weeks I have noticed the following (on 5g)

Better mood
More activity sexually
More restfull sleep
Not as tired anylonger
Less anxiety

I feel good, better than I have in quite a while. I will note that this overall better feeling is not an over the top placebo/transient type feeling , I would classify it as simply feeling like myself without the problems I have had before. It seems that the only transient effect was the neaseau. Im getting tested this Sat.

This is one Androgel user who so far is satisifed and so far have not needed to supplement with anything else. IMO do not take a non-clinical dose.

MXL[/quote]

Did you ever look into the E2 issue? I still have a script for androgel sitting on my desk at home but, at 24, I am hesitant to use it.
[/quote]

Why are you hesitant. Whether you’re hypogonadal at 60 or 24, you need medication, as you’d need medication for any other illness treated with medication.

I’ve NEVER had a problem with estradiol. I don’t know why people on this board are so thick-headed and came to believe that Androgel is shit, that it doesn’t work in most users (actually the opposite is true), that it transfers to others so easily (false, unless you walk around shirtless immediately after and vigorously rub your shoulders and arms against someone else’s body (usually reserved for sex amongst normal people). [/quote]

Because I think there are others ways that I can get my T levels up without shutting down natural production.

So far I have been working with lowering my estradiol levels. Not sure if you followed my thread or not but after .25mg EOD of arimidex my E2 levels were at 42. Optimal level is 22. I want to see if I can get that down and then test my Testosterone levels. Theoretically they should be higher.

What are your opinions? I admit I am not the most knowledgeable about this.[/quote]

I certainly can I understand your hesitance Nate, I was nervous as well and Im 10 years older than you. From my experience (1 month) I feel a lot better and not over the top High better, just good like myself. But there are other variables, I donâ??t know if you have or want children but Im sure this may play into it. The idea of shutting down your natural production of T possibly for the rest of your life is scary.

Also IMO there is so much information at your fingertips because of the net, you can read some pretty frightening shitâ?¦.its almost as if it is information overload. Just like training there are so many opinions, so many theories sometimes my fucking head is gonna explode.

But Like I said Nate so far so good.

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I don’t get you people. How is medicating a matter of shutting the pituitary down for life, considering if you’re hypogonadal, you have abnormally low levels to begin with, and will have abnormally low levels herein!

My doc will be giving me clomid or HCG when I want to have a kid.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

What are your opinions? I admit I am not the most knowledgeable about this.[/quote]

Get the care of a qualified medical professional (my suggestion all along), not the tribulations of flimsy experiments and advice of internet posters, non of whom are qualified or in the position (on a freaking bodybuilding forum) to give you quality care or advice.

This isn’t a matter of personal experimentation. It’s a matter of treating a medical condition.

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You taking any anti-estrogens right now or just 10g straight Androgel?

I feel like shit on the gel, still. I’m tired as fuck all the time and I sleep 8 hours per night. Not much has changed since i’ve been on it, even though I am seeing a “qualified medical professional”. TRT seems more like an art form.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

What are your opinions? I admit I am not the most knowledgeable about this.[/quote]

Get the care of a qualified medical professional (my suggestion all along), not the tribulations of flimsy experiments and advice of internet posters, non of whom are qualified or in the position (on a freaking bodybuilding forum) to give you quality care or advice.

This isn’t a matter of personal experimentation. It’s a matter of treating a medical condition. [/quote]

Absoultely, however there is nothing wrong gauging people’s experience with the medication. No one on this thread is claiming to be a medical professional. Coming from someone who has to rely on medication for health I can understand an individuals apprehension.

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[quote]randallh1989 wrote:
You taking any anti-estrogens right now or just 10g straight Androgel?

I feel like shit on the gel, still. I’m tired as fuck all the time and I sleep 8 hours per night. Not much has changed since i’ve been on it, even though I am seeing a “qualified medical professional”. TRT seems more like an art form.[/quote]

You didn’t read where I stated several times I don’t take any other drugs, nor is there a need to because I’ve never had a problem with high estradiol values. Anyway, if T is in a normal range, there will likely be no problem with estradiol because there won’t be a high level of aromatization.

Aromatization happens with injections frequently because of the huge surge in T values after injecting. Androgel was created partially BECAUSE of this problem. The skin acts as a reservoir through which the gel is absorbed gradually and there are no ridiculous fluctuations in T values as what happens with injections.

You say you feel like shit on it. You’re not even using a clinical dose, for which the minimum is 5 grams as I said before.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

No one on this thread is claiming to be a medical professional. Coming from someone who has to rely on medication for health I can understand an individuals apprehension. [/quote]

No, they’re not. But there sure are some that think because they have half a brain and some logical reasoning skills they’re in the position to give advice on this condition and how to treat it.

EVERY person I referred to my doc got fixed up in a few weeks or a month.

I don’t know why there’s apprehension (but then again, I don’t need to know). Actually, I’d be more apprehensive in NOT taking medication considering that hypogonadism in the long term can lead to other health problems (eg, heart disease, diabetes, overweight, osteoperosis).

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Sorry about that, Ran. After reading your OP again, I see you took 5 grams, which you did recognize as being the lowest clinical dosage.

How are you supposed to feel on Androgel if it gives you a normal T value (300 to 1000 ng/dl)? Like an ordinary, physically and mentally capable and stable male. What else could you feel like? This isn’t bodybuilding pharmacology in which you’re supposed to have supraphysiological T values and feel like a Super Hero.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
… this overall better feeling is not an over the top placebo/transient type feeling…simply feeling like myself without the problems I have had before.

MXL[/quote]

This is how people are supposed to feel from having normal T values, regardless if that T is being provided by testicles or Androgel.

What do people expect to feel like?

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[quote]randallh1989 wrote:
btw are you still on clomid?[/quote]

No. Remember, my doc doesn’t prescribe that for longer than six months, and doesn’t prescribe other stuff if it isn’t needed. Clomid increases LH and FSH which leads to normal T values (if the testicles are working normally).

My LH and FSH values are LOW NORMAL now and I do have some testicular shrinkage - about 15 grams in weight rather than the normal 20. I’ve never had a woman who noticed this, or if they did, obviously didn’t give a rat’s ass.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
… this overall better feeling is not an over the top placebo/transient type feeling…simply feeling like myself without the problems I have had before.

MXL[/quote]

This is how people are supposed to feel from having normal T values, regardless if that T is being provided by testicles or Androgel.

What do people expect to feel like? [/quote]

The reason I mentioned that is because someone (I forget who) stated that the initial reaction to Agel could be the placebo type effect of over the top feeling good, I wanted to stress that I feel good , the way I should feel.

You did state the aromatization with injenctions is why Agel was made, which is very comforting to know.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
… this overall better feeling is not an over the top placebo/transient type feeling…simply feeling like myself without the problems I have had before.

MXL[/quote]

This is how people are supposed to feel from having normal T values, regardless if that T is being provided by testicles or Androgel.

What do people expect to feel like? [/quote]

The reason I mentioned that is because someone (I forget who) stated that the initial reaction to Agel could be the placebo type effect of over the top feeling good, I wanted to stress that I feel good , the way I should feel.

You did state the aromatization with injenctions is why Agel was made, which is very comforting to know.
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Right. I was confirming what you wrote, not to argue with you, but to show others on here that you’re supposed to feel regular. I highly doubt there is a legitimate feeling immediately after taking Androgel. I don’t get a acute jolt of energy each time I use it.

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If you have enough to do so (or can get a refill after talking to Dr. about how much better you feel) you might want to try 10G. I was first put on 5G of testim which after several weeks had no positive effect… On my own I tried 10G (after doing a lot of research on results others have had) and it made a noticible difference with me. Sex drive up, but some shrinkage, some add strength and better focus, anger & moodiness more stable.

With me both gels caused bad skin rashs, and sun exposure to it would cause me to get sunburn that led to peeling skin. :frowning:

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[quote]jhoward1102 wrote:
If you have enough to do so (or can get a refill after talking to Dr. about how much better you feel) you might want to try 10G. I was first put on 5G of testim which after several weeks had no positive effect… On my own I tried 10G (after doing a lot of research on results others have had) and it made a noticible difference with me. Sex drive up, but some shrinkage, some add strength and better focus, anger & moodiness more stable.

With me both gels caused bad skin rashs, and sun exposure to it would cause me to get sunburn that led to peeling skin. :([/quote]

This shit dries up in 30 to 60 seconds. How does it predispose one to more severe sunburns.

Most sunburns cause peeling skin.

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MY FRIEND was RX’d 2.5g as well and started dosing at 7.5g and felt a shit ton better, but was worried what was to happen to him after his Rx ran out really soon. It’s a mandatory call in for refills.

I’m not real worried about it because i’m pretty sure the anti-aging specialist will Rx me what I need.

Hoping to go on 100mg of cyp /wk(maybe 200?)+250iu HCG EOD + 1mg anastrazole /wk as per KSman’s sticky thread.

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[quote]randallh1989 wrote:
MY FRIEND was RX’d 2.5g as well and started dosing at 7.5g and felt a shit ton better, but was worried what was to happen to him after his Rx ran out really soon. It’s a mandatory call in for refills.[/quote]
Correct. This is why it’s a dumb idea to start fucking around with medicine without a prescription and why people need to communicate to the doctor like a grown adult (eg, “Doc, I don’t feel like myself at this dose. Do you think it’s OK if we go up to 7.5 or 10 grams?”) Is that hard to do?

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

What are your opinions? I admit I am not the most knowledgeable about this.[/quote]

Get the care of a qualified medical professional (my suggestion all along), not the tribulations of flimsy experiments and advice of internet posters, non of whom are qualified or in the position (on a freaking bodybuilding forum) to give you quality care or advice.

This isn’t a matter of personal experimentation. It’s a matter of treating a medical condition. [/quote]

I am seeing a doctor. I am also asking here to prevent any other issues. I was originally prescribed JUST agel.

After doing some research, I am using arimidex only right now. As such, I feel more energetic (not falling asleep) and I seem to be PRing in strength regularly (which I haven’t in a long time).

Based on some reading here and on the internet, I was worried about natural production being STOPPED completely. Right now it’s possible my natural production is up due to fixing my E2 levels. I DO plan on getting everything checked again in the near future and perhaps at that time will jump on the androgel.