Thank you @Grool, for your high-minded, thoughtful and well-spoken contribution to this discussion.
This has always been the case and always will be the case, and I believe is different from the thoughts twojarslave is talking about.
Life REALLY, REALLY sucks when you try to control things that are beyond your control or when you squeeze the ever living life out of the (very) few things that we do indeed have some degree of control over.
OK. Now do Mohamed.
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Chruchill is the archvillain of ww2.
A thick-headed, mulish mule, always bloody hammered and utterly without any morals.
His is the true face of the banality of evil. Lost a fortune, begged the most rotten elites on his knees for pecuniary forgiveness to eventually become their eager lapdog.
A rogue who laughs at fellow scoundrels who merely sell their grandmother for thirty pieces of silver. Heād slur āhold me scotchā and proceed to sell the empire.
Basically none of his speeches were written by him or were broadcasted at a timely moment, as seen in the propaganda movies. And he was hated by most Brits, certainly by those with a spine or an attachment to British culture.
All these solemn words are an early iteration of a chatbot AI voice. Meaningless tropes made real retroactively in the service of criminal banksters and soulless killers. If you like them, youāre merely accustomed to the soundtrack of your own internal propaganda movie.
Letās say everything you just wrote is true. It is a highly subjective take on the man, but letās roll with it.
He was still right. The broad, sunlit uplands were real. I lived in them for decades.
If listening to the words of world leaders from 80 years ago and comparing that to where we are today in both reality and rhetoric is, to use your words, an exercise in āmeaningless tropesā, what would you suggest we do to better understand the present direction of our society?
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Wilson, Harding, Coolidge and Hoover were not great Presidents who came before FDR. After a few questionable guys, maybe weāre due for another unifying, inspiring President.
If things suck now, when were they last āGood?ā And have things totally changes, or are we just in a bad position for right now, until conditions change?
Speaking in ideological quips is fun, but never captures the big picture. Every era of humanity has had rich and poor, the blessed and the struggling, feasts and famine, war and peace et cetera. Gods and religions have changed with cultures in and out of power and consequently so have social mores and norms.
I would suggest that if viewed through a creature comfort lense, we are living the good life imagined in Churchills time. Iām personally sitting in an air conditioned house waiting for this weeks groceries to be delivered as one of many examples. And I had a hot shower this morning in water that not only passes modern govt criteria for clean, but also went through a whole home filter and softener.
If we are discussing ideology, I suppose it depends on what you believe. There is a lot of weird shit out there, especially compared to 1940ās norms. Is this bad? I donāt know. Whether I agree with certain cultural aspects or not, Iām happy to see the freedom for them to exist. Iām well aware I and my beliefs could become the outer fringe on a dime, and would hope for tolerance to exist. Even within my own space.
If we are just looking at optimism and pessimism from a leader bringing people through a hard time, itās a great quote. There will always be glass half full/empty people.
So what is the agreed upon unit of measurement for hopeful growth?
You are optimistic compared to me. If we survive this next election, I will be surprised.
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Ummmm no.
That would be a disaster.
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My prediction, we wont make it to the next election
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The present direction is exactly because of the narratives that were spun 80 years ago. Sunlit uplands are not real if they were never meant to be real, merely an expensive trip to Disneyland. So with the postwar prosperity being fake - meaning, there was nothing to build upon, everything and I mean everything, progeny, houses, technological advancements (howās the moon base project doing these days?), culture, itās all going down the sinkhole of lies and greed.
I mean, if you like where the west is heading then by all means, keep clapping to these losers. There are a few legitimate winners of ww2.
For 95% of us itās been downhill ever since and all the nice trinkets found along the way were, at best, distractions.
The system is still very robust. Where itās not robust is stuff like finite resources. Thatās why Europe will face real problems sooner.
As long as people believe (like in true belief) in lgbt, keep watching tiktok while buzzed and are able to buy enough fried soy to feel stuffed the show will go on. Granted, everything will get shittier. Crime will continue to rise while trust will erode.
Most services will work albeit poorly.
You have a strange historical perspective Iāve only ever heard from critical theorists and plain old Marxists. All criticism, without ever presenting a set of coherent ideas.
For being fake sunlit uplands, they sure did an amazing job of lifting the ravaged shells of Germany and Japan into first world status. Not to mention all of the prosperity my family experienced that I am saddened to learn did not actually take place, according to you.
If Churchill and FDR are losers, as you suggested, who are the winners? Who has the right ideas about society and government?
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I donāt think lack of creature comforts is an issue thatās plaguing us. The abundance of them most certainly is. When I was a kid Iād get bored at throwing rocks at a tree or playing Super Mario again, so Iād usually ride my bike to the library if no friends were around.
I canāt imagine Iād be doing that nearly as much with unlimited entertainment housed in a glowing rectangle that fits inside my pocket.
In very broad terms, I think that anyone in America who finishes high school and goes on to develop an in-demand, marketable skill should be able to find a job that meets all of the basic needs with roughly 40 hours of work. That was broadly true for decades when our economy was healthier. I had to schelp at some lower level jobs working long hours for a little over a year, but I purchased my first home at age 20 after my first promotion, with a few monthās worth of diligent savings and 5k from my college fund that my grandparents left me. It was a very nice condominium in Macungie, PA for 105k. The same properties currently start at 300k, but salaries in the area have not tripled. Iāve been stable ever since, with no help from my parents until my parents passed away and left me with a modest inheritance.
The inheritance is not particularly helpful, not compared to my parents being alive anyway.
Iād say things were still pretty good in 2019. Perhaps the rot was still setting in, but things seemed to be pretty optimistic when things like food, fuel and shelter were much more affordable. It seems like all of the drastic measures we took at the behest of the most neurotic, narcissistic and vocal among us during Covid have impoverished nearly anyone who wasnāt heavily invested in real estate.
Thatās not to say itās all due to COVID, it isnāt. COVID was just a catalyst for the greatest public expenditures in history, which is one of the main reasons why things are so dramatically different now than they were just a few short years ago.
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Youāre a very negative nelly.
One of those frustrated germans, huh?
Iām curious which Reich he considers himself a knight of.
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HorDEs oF eAStERn unTerMensChEN
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āAlthough it has features similar to a human, the subhuman is lower on the spiritual and psychological scale than any animal. Inside of this creature lies wild and unrestrained passions: an incessant need to destroy, filled with the most primitive desires, chaos and coldhearted villainy.ā
Hordes of them. With their unquenchable libidos and sasquach genitalia.
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These legends of my people may have an undeniable basis in fact, but those of us with greater than 51 percent Polish heritage know that, no matter what, we would have to go out of our way with vodka and an unknown combination of black market pills to become believers in communism.
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