[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Proverbs 29:9.[/quote]
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An example, in the original of an (intentional) four-way amphibulous construction.
When a wise man and a dolt contend, (he) rages and does not achieve contentment (calm).
The “he” is understood. But which is the “he?” Which is the rager, and which cannot achieve satisfaction and calm?[/quote]
The dolt is the rager. A wise man seldom rages.
Not saying that he always finds contentment, either.
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So says RObert Alter; so we see in dmaddox’s recent exchange.
(Rashi differs–about Proverbs, not about TNation forums.)
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Now are yall just rubbing salt in the wounds? lol
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The interesting thing about this verse is that it has been translated and interpreted in a number of different ways. The Latin Vulgate literally says “A wise man, if with a fool contends, whether he rages or laughs, he will not find repose” (vir sapiens si cum stulto contenderit sive irascatur sive rideat non inveniet requiem) implying that the rager or laugher would be the wise man. But the original Aramaic, as Doc implies, is ambiguous (or amphibolous, which is a delicious adjective) in its use (or rather absence) of pronouns in the second and third clauses, and a similar construction in Ecclesiastes makes it pretty clear that it’s the fool that we’re talking about.
The upshot, though, is summed up in the modern folksy version of the proverb. “Never argue with an idiot: he will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience.”
Wise words indeed, and so rarely heeded here on Pee Dubya Eye.
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Sometimes I argue for argues sake. I would like to hone my ability to put my thoughts down in writing. I am not good at it at all, but if you look at some of my first posts here 4-5 years ago I have come a long way. At least I think I have. I like to discuss topics so both parties can benefit from the discussion.
Even though VT and I went at it, I learned a lot both on the topic and personally.