6 Year Old suspended from school for sexual harassment…WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/first-grade-boy-suspended-for--sexual-harassment-171045972.html
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
US economy added 203k jobs in November and unemployment hit a 5 year low:
Didn’t see this mentioned anywhere else on PWI…I’m sure you guys were just busy.[/quote]
That’s great news. [/quote]
Yes, but what what has happened with the labor participation ? The article makes no mention if there was a change in that. [/quote]
I didn’t look into it any further than what was posted.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
By choosing not to participate, Texas, for example, will forgo an estimated $9.58 billion in federal funding in 2022. Taking into account federal taxes paid by Texas resiÃ?Âdents, the net cost to taxpayers in the state in 2022 will be more than $9.2 billion[/quote]
Lets look at this again, because I guess your cranium just can not get it. Medicaid is the biggest draw on all states’ budgets. When the Federal Government can no longer borrow money to pay for Obamacare and medicaid where will the money come from?
What I am saying and I guess you just can not comprehend is that in 2022 there will be no money, and all states will have to either raise taxes or shut down Medicaid.
Same thing happened in the 90’s with Bill Clinton’s great 100,000 Cops was funded for 2 years from the federal budget. Once the federal dollars stopped coming in the 100,000 cops were all let go.
Red States see this as unsustainable, so why get yourself into a mess down the road when you do not have to.
And by the way the extra money is to pay for the increase in Medicaid. There is no extra money to use for other reasons.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
6 Year Old suspended from school for sexual harassment…WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD?
zero tolerance. Love them Government officials.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
US economy added 203k jobs in November and unemployment hit a 5 year low:
Didn’t see this mentioned anywhere else on PWI…I’m sure you guys were just busy.[/quote]
That’s great news. [/quote]
Yes, but what what has happened with the labor participation ? The article makes no mention if there was a change in that. [/quote]
I didn’t look into it any further than what was posted. [/quote]
It dropped.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
US economy added 203k jobs in November and unemployment hit a 5 year low:
Didn’t see this mentioned anywhere else on PWI…I’m sure you guys were just busy.[/quote]
That’s great news. [/quote]
Yes, but what what has happened with the labor participation ? The article makes no mention if there was a change in that. [/quote]
I didn’t look into it any further than what was posted. [/quote]
It dropped.
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Actually, it increased 0.2%
Seriously Damon, do you ever bother to verify any fucking thing you post?
Is Socialism ok for corporations?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
What I am saying and I guess you just can not comprehend is that in 2022 there will be no money, and all states will have to either raise taxes or shut down Medicaid.
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The federal funds for Medicaid expansion are paid by federal taxes you imbecile!!!
The article accounts for what the residents are paying and the discrepancy between that and what they are getting!! It doesn’t change whether the state accepts it or not because…wait for it…ITS FROM FEDERAL TAXES!!!
You are also forgetting (or continuing to ignore) that states accepting the expansion will only be responsible for TEN PERCENT (10!!!) of the total costs vs. 43% if they did not!!! Medicaid costs would have to more than quadruple before it even becomes a break even proposition.
Sometimes I think there is no possible way you are this dumb. But then I see that you think the labor participation rate dropped in Nov 2013, when it actually rose, and that government jobs increased by 380,000, even though only 230k jobs were added. I then realize I could be quite wrong about my assessment of you.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
What I am saying and I guess you just can not comprehend is that in 2022 there will be no money, and all states will have to either raise taxes or shut down Medicaid.
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The federal funds for Medicaid expansion are paid by federal taxes you imbecile!!!
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Right now federal dollars only covers 63% of medicaid. The expansion under Obamacare pays 100% for 5 years. After that it only reimburses 90%. When the Federal Government is out of money or bankrupt like Detroit…
Lets put this in words you can understand.
WHERE WILL THE FUCKING MONEY COME FROM YOU DOUCHEBAG IMBECILLE?
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
What I am saying and I guess you just can not comprehend is that in 2022 there will be no money, and all states will have to either raise taxes or shut down Medicaid.
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The federal funds for Medicaid expansion are paid by federal taxes you imbecile!!!
The article accounts for what the residents are paying and the discrepancy between that and what they are getting!! It doesn’t change whether the state accepts it or not because…wait for it…ITS FROM FEDERAL TAXES!!!
You are also forgetting (or continuing to ignore) that states accepting the expansion will only be responsible for TEN PERCENT (10!!!) of the total costs vs. 43% if they did not!!! Medicaid costs would have to more than quadruple before it even becomes a break even proposition.
Sometimes I think there is no possible way you are this dumb. But then I see that you think the labor participation rate dropped in Nov 2013, when it actually rose, and that government jobs increased by 380,000, even though only 230k jobs were added. I then realize I could be quite wrong about my assessment of you.[/quote]
It is only 10% of the expansion, not the original medicaid expenses.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
What I am saying and I guess you just can not comprehend is that in 2022 there will be no money, and all states will have to either raise taxes or shut down Medicaid.
[/quote]
The federal funds for Medicaid expansion are paid by federal taxes you imbecile!!!
[/quote]
Right now federal dollars only covers 63% of medicaid. The expansion under Obamacare pays 100% for 5 years. After that it only reimburses 90%. When the Federal Government is out of money or bankrupt like Detroit…
Lets put this in words you can understand.
WHERE WILL THE FUCKING MONEY COME FROM YOU DOUCHEBAG IMBECILLE?[/quote]
LOL so you think, when the money runs out at the federal level, STATES will have to be the ones to raise taxes? Not that I am paying your hypothetical chicken little scenario much mind, but why wouldn’t the feds just raise taxes? I mean, it makes a lot more sense than the state.
Further to that point, if the “fedz run out of da moneyz” what do you think denying expansion at the state level will do? Will the one or two states left by then (of which Texas almost certainly will not be given the thankfully changing demographics) manage to keep the federal coffers running?
You are injecting hypotheticals into an actual discussion with firm numbers. The numbers have been ran and none actually show what you are claiming to be the reason for denial.
But back to reality, maybe this article helps you out more (I am doubtful at this point):
For a $7B investment over 10 years (a drop in the overall Texas state budget…seriously you guys spend $25B a year on education in a state where the governor hates book learnin’?) Texas will receive $100B return. I don’t know of many places I will get that sorta payout. All for no increased federal taxes for the residents? Wow-wee!!!
Furthermore Damon, how many billions per year do you think uninsured residents are already costing the state in increased costs due to inability to pay for medical care? Will it be >$7B over a 10 year period? I’m not exactly Miss Cleo, but given that Texas has the greatest number of uninsured residents in the country (millions) it seems pretty well within the reality that I try to live in.
Keep in mind, this expansion would cover the WORKING POOR, since those with no income are already 100% covered. Are you saying that for $7B spread over a 10 year period in exchange for lowered health care costs (remember other residents are currently paying for the uninsured indirectly) AND $100B from the feds (remember other residents are currently paying this in federal taxes), you would walk away from this deal?
Gee whiz Damon, I can’t think of what reason one could possibly have for this, except ideological differences. The fiscal argument just isn’t there.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
What I am saying and I guess you just can not comprehend is that in 2022 there will be no money, and all states will have to either raise taxes or shut down Medicaid.
[/quote]
The federal funds for Medicaid expansion are paid by federal taxes you imbecile!!!
[/quote]
Right now federal dollars only covers 63% of medicaid. The expansion under Obamacare pays 100% for 5 years. After that it only reimburses 90%. When the Federal Government is out of money or bankrupt like Detroit…
Lets put this in words you can understand.
WHERE WILL THE FUCKING MONEY COME FROM YOU DOUCHEBAG IMBECILLE?[/quote]
LOL so you think, when the money runs out at the federal level, STATES will have to be the ones to raise taxes? Not that I am paying your hypothetical chicken little scenario much mind, but why wouldn’t the feds just raise taxes? I mean, it makes a lot more sense than the state.
Further to that point, if the “fedz run out of da moneyz” what do you think denying expansion at the state level will do? Will the one or two states left by then (of which Texas almost certainly will not be given the thankfully changing demographics) manage to keep the federal coffers running?
You are injecting hypotheticals into an actual discussion with firm numbers. The numbers have been ran and none actually show what you are claiming to be the reason for denial.
But back to reality, maybe this article helps you out more (I am doubtful at this point):
For a $7B investment over 10 years (a drop in the overall Texas state budget…seriously you guys spend $25B a year on education in a state where the governor hates book learnin’?) Texas will receive $100B return. I don’t know of many places I will get that sorta payout. All for no increased federal taxes for the residents? Wow-wee!!!
Furthermore Damon, how many billions per year do you think uninsured residents are already costing the state in increased costs due to inability to pay for medical care? Will it be >$7B over a 10 year period? I’m not exactly Miss Cleo, but given that Texas has the greatest number of uninsured residents in the country (millions) it seems pretty well within the reality that I try to live in.
Keep in mind, this expansion would cover the WORKING POOR, since those with no income are already 100% covered. Are you saying that for $7B spread over a 10 year period in exchange for lowered health care costs (remember other residents are currently paying for the uninsured indirectly) AND $100B from the feds (remember other residents are currently paying this in federal taxes), you would walk away from this deal?
Gee whiz Damon, I can’t think of what reason one could possibly have for this, except ideological differences. The fiscal argument just isn’t there.
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you really believe this will lower healthcare costs?
Hospitals and Doctors are already opting out. Paying too little for services rendered. When the young and healthy do not sign up the ACA exchange premiums are going up through the roof.
I am doubting Texas will pay only $7B and get $100B in return. This is called Propaganda. We have all learned that the Government does not know how to calculate numbers. The ACA was only suppose to cost $787 Billion over 10 years. That number is at $2 Trillion. Next year it will be $3 Trillion or more. So where is the money coming from again? Seems like we are borrowing it.
Yeah Healthcare costs are going down… /sarcasm
Hospitals are opting out? Dude they are practically tripping over themselves up to the governor’s mansion BEGGING the states to take the expansion. Hospitals are shutting their doors right now in states that have refused the expansion.
Jesus titty fucking christ where in the hell are you getting your information?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
And you expect somebody, after coming in here with all your PROVABLY INCORRECT “facts”, to eschew published data and empirical evidence in favor of what you “think might kinda sorta happen”?
Bless your heart.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Hospitals are opting out? Dude they are practically tripping over themselves up to the governor’s mansion BEGGING the states to take the expansion. Hospitals are shutting their doors right now in states that have refused the expansion.
Jesus titty fucking christ where in the hell are you getting your information?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
And you expect somebody, after coming in here with all your PROVABLY INCORRECT “facts”, to eschew published data and empirical evidence in favor of what you “think might kinda sorta happen”?
Bless your heart.[/quote]
Maybe you should pick up a paper. The internet works good also.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Hospitals are opting out? Dude they are practically tripping over themselves up to the governor’s mansion BEGGING the states to take the expansion. Hospitals are shutting their doors right now in states that have refused the expansion.
Jesus titty fucking christ where in the hell are you getting your information?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
And you expect somebody, after coming in here with all your PROVABLY INCORRECT “facts”, to eschew published data and empirical evidence in favor of what you “think might kinda sorta happen”?
Bless your heart.[/quote]
Maybe you should pick up a paper. The internet works good also.
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Nice try, but we are talking Medicaid Expansion here nitwit, not the ACA as a whole.
But thanks for further hammering home that those states who refuse to accept the Medicaid Expansion will be further harming their “constituents”. Why? Because those that would have been covered under the expansion will now have to look to the exchanges (if they are lucky) and end up with less options for their care.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Hospitals are opting out? Dude they are practically tripping over themselves up to the governor’s mansion BEGGING the states to take the expansion. Hospitals are shutting their doors right now in states that have refused the expansion.
Jesus titty fucking christ where in the hell are you getting your information?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
And you expect somebody, after coming in here with all your PROVABLY INCORRECT “facts”, to eschew published data and empirical evidence in favor of what you “think might kinda sorta happen”?
Bless your heart.[/quote]
Maybe you should pick up a paper. The internet works good also.
[/quote]
Nice try, but we are talking Medicaid Expansion here nitwit, not the ACA as a whole.
But thanks for further hammering home that those states who refuse to accept the Medicaid Expansion will be further harming their “constituents”. Why? Because those that would have been covered under the expansion will now have to look to the exchanges (if they are lucky) and end up with less options for their care.
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Medicaid pays out less than the insurance companies under the exchanges. They are opting out, and two of the best hospitals for Cancer treatment are in states that are expanding medicare.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
What I am saying and I guess you just can not comprehend is that in 2022 there will be no money, and all states will have to either raise taxes or shut down Medicaid.
[/quote]
The federal funds for Medicaid expansion are paid by federal taxes you imbecile!!!
[/quote]
Right now federal dollars only covers 63% of medicaid. The expansion under Obamacare pays 100% for 5 years. After that it only reimburses 90%. When the Federal Government is out of money or bankrupt like Detroit…
Lets put this in words you can understand.
WHERE WILL THE FUCKING MONEY COME FROM YOU DOUCHEBAG IMBECILLE?[/quote]
LOL so you think, when the money runs out at the federal level, STATES will have to be the ones to raise taxes? Not that I am paying your hypothetical chicken little scenario much mind, but why wouldn’t the feds just raise taxes? I mean, it makes a lot more sense than the state.
Further to that point, if the “fedz run out of da moneyz” what do you think denying expansion at the state level will do? Will the one or two states left by then (of which Texas almost certainly will not be given the thankfully changing demographics) manage to keep the federal coffers running?
You are injecting hypotheticals into an actual discussion with firm numbers. The numbers have been ran and none actually show what you are claiming to be the reason for denial.
But back to reality, maybe this article helps you out more (I am doubtful at this point):
For a $7B investment over 10 years (a drop in the overall Texas state budget…seriously you guys spend $25B a year on education in a state where the governor hates book learnin’?) Texas will receive $100B return. I don’t know of many places I will get that sorta payout. All for no increased federal taxes for the residents? Wow-wee!!!
Furthermore Damon, how many billions per year do you think uninsured residents are already costing the state in increased costs due to inability to pay for medical care? Will it be >$7B over a 10 year period? I’m not exactly Miss Cleo, but given that Texas has the greatest number of uninsured residents in the country (millions) it seems pretty well within the reality that I try to live in.
Keep in mind, this expansion would cover the WORKING POOR, since those with no income are already 100% covered. Are you saying that for $7B spread over a 10 year period in exchange for lowered health care costs (remember other residents are currently paying for the uninsured indirectly) AND $100B from the feds (remember other residents are currently paying this in federal taxes), you would walk away from this deal?
Gee whiz Damon, I can’t think of what reason one could possibly have for this, except ideological differences. The fiscal argument just isn’t there.
[/quote]
you really believe this will lower healthcare costs?
Hospitals and Doctors are already opting out. Paying too little for services rendered. When the young and healthy do not sign up the ACA exchange premiums are going up through the roof.
I am doubting Texas will pay only $7B and get $100B in return. This is called Propaganda. We have all learned that the Government does not know how to calculate numbers. The ACA was only suppose to cost $787 Billion over 10 years. That number is at $2 Trillion. Next year it will be $3 Trillion or more. So where is the money coming from again? Seems like we are borrowing it.
Yeah Healthcare costs are going down… /sarcasm
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As VT mentioned; Texas is going to continue to incur the cost of treating those that can’t pay one way or the other.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Medicare pays out less than the insurance companies under the exchanges. They are opting out, and two of the best hospitals for Cancer treatment are in states that are expanding medicare.
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Are you talking about medicare here, or medicaid? I’m not being a smart ass but trying to clarify your intent.
If Medicaid, as I suspect, please provide citations of hospitals opting out of medicaid. And which hospitals for cancer treatment in states that are expanding medicaid? And what is your point, if that is true?
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
What I am saying and I guess you just can not comprehend is that in 2022 there will be no money, and all states will have to either raise taxes or shut down Medicaid.
[/quote]
The federal funds for Medicaid expansion are paid by federal taxes you imbecile!!!
[/quote]
Right now federal dollars only covers 63% of medicaid. The expansion under Obamacare pays 100% for 5 years. After that it only reimburses 90%. When the Federal Government is out of money or bankrupt like Detroit…
Lets put this in words you can understand.
WHERE WILL THE FUCKING MONEY COME FROM YOU DOUCHEBAG IMBECILLE?[/quote]
LOL so you think, when the money runs out at the federal level, STATES will have to be the ones to raise taxes? Not that I am paying your hypothetical chicken little scenario much mind, but why wouldn’t the feds just raise taxes? I mean, it makes a lot more sense than the state.
Further to that point, if the “fedz run out of da moneyz” what do you think denying expansion at the state level will do? Will the one or two states left by then (of which Texas almost certainly will not be given the thankfully changing demographics) manage to keep the federal coffers running?
You are injecting hypotheticals into an actual discussion with firm numbers. The numbers have been ran and none actually show what you are claiming to be the reason for denial.
But back to reality, maybe this article helps you out more (I am doubtful at this point):
For a $7B investment over 10 years (a drop in the overall Texas state budget…seriously you guys spend $25B a year on education in a state where the governor hates book learnin’?) Texas will receive $100B return. I don’t know of many places I will get that sorta payout. All for no increased federal taxes for the residents? Wow-wee!!!
Furthermore Damon, how many billions per year do you think uninsured residents are already costing the state in increased costs due to inability to pay for medical care? Will it be >$7B over a 10 year period? I’m not exactly Miss Cleo, but given that Texas has the greatest number of uninsured residents in the country (millions) it seems pretty well within the reality that I try to live in.
Keep in mind, this expansion would cover the WORKING POOR, since those with no income are already 100% covered. Are you saying that for $7B spread over a 10 year period in exchange for lowered health care costs (remember other residents are currently paying for the uninsured indirectly) AND $100B from the feds (remember other residents are currently paying this in federal taxes), you would walk away from this deal?
Gee whiz Damon, I can’t think of what reason one could possibly have for this, except ideological differences. The fiscal argument just isn’t there.
[/quote]
you really believe this will lower healthcare costs?
Hospitals and Doctors are already opting out. Paying too little for services rendered. When the young and healthy do not sign up the ACA exchange premiums are going up through the roof.
I am doubting Texas will pay only $7B and get $100B in return. This is called Propaganda. We have all learned that the Government does not know how to calculate numbers. The ACA was only suppose to cost $787 Billion over 10 years. That number is at $2 Trillion. Next year it will be $3 Trillion or more. So where is the money coming from again? Seems like we are borrowing it.
Yeah Healthcare costs are going down… /sarcasm
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As VT mentioned; Texas is going to continue to incur the cost of treating those that can’t pay one way or the other.
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Why is everyone keep bringing up Texas? Yeah I live here, but I never singled out Texas.
And to answer your question so will every other state.
Everyone is acting like money is just flying out of the trees and paying for Medicaid.
If people want to have expanded Medicaid they can move to a state that has expanded it.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Why is everyone keep bringing up Texas? Yeah I live here, but I never singled out Texas.
And to answer your question so will every other state.
Everyone is acting like money is just flying out of the trees and paying for Medicaid.
If people want to have expanded Medicaid they can move to a state that has expanded it.
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We aren’t bringing it up because you live there–that is purely coincidental. you aren’t some unique snowflake that gets your own special arguments and retorts.
It is easy to talk about Texas because they are the most prominent of the refusals and also happen to have the worst track record of citizen health care. It is kinda ground zero for the health care debate. Population and Budget also make it easier to talk to. Sure the other states are also relevant, but on a smaller scale.
That said, this is the OTHER NEWS section and we have taken up too much bandwidth discussing it here. If oyu want to start a new thread to talk about the Medicaid expansion, go ahead and do it. You are relying on conjecture and fear, I have talked numbers that you conveniently disagree with. Put your own numbers to it and we can have a discussion (in another thread) otherwise I will just continue on with my day…