So I decided to introduce anavar to my next cycle. I have enough to run 25mg daily all 12 weeks alongside 550mg sus weekly (pinned EOD) orrr wait to add it at week 6 at 50mg daily. Would it be beneficial to use as a pre workout all the way through to help me through lifts? Should I wait until the T is fully saturated so I have maximum benefits? What do you guys think
[quote=“Percules, post:1, topic:293772”] I decided to introduce anavar to my next cycle
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How many AAS cycles have you run?
How old are you?
How many years have you lifted weights?
What is your height, weight, and approximate percent body fat?
Do you look like you obviously lift weights?
12 weeks is too long. Use it when you get lean, not to get lean, diet is most important. Could look into retatrutide, I love it.
I’m 25. This is my second cycle, haven’t ran anything but 500 test a few years back. I had a freak wrestling injury in college resulting in a bilateral labrum tear, and then a seizure resulting in a shattered humerus. My physique completely melted, I lost muscle and gained fat. I’ve been on 2mg Reta for 4 weeks. I started at 270 now, I’m down 12lbs. I’m 6’2 and have pretty solid frame still. My diet and training have been on point and I was thinking in 6 weeks to be ready to “lean out”
I’m on Reta and it’s going well, if i continue losing weight at this rate I hope to be around 235 when/if I run it.
can you post any pics? I’m 6’1 and started dieting in October at 276lbs. I said to myself once I hit 225lbs I’d use anavar so I’ve been on it a few weeks now and bumped up my test prop to 300mg per week. I’ve only increased reta to .75mg which was last week, it’s incredible.
I think you could probably aim for around 225lbs as well before incorporating it but depends on your bodyfat/pics.
IMO, you should be able to be injury free enough to lift close to 100% to best utilize the potential that AAS provides. Also, you should be close to your maximum strength natural.
Honestly dog I don’t know if I’ll ever lift at 100% again or if I’ll ever truly be pain free. I am, in essence, looking for easy gains. Throughout highschool and my early twenties I trained pretty hard, lifted heavy and irresponsibly. I was hoping this cycle would help whip me back into shape with less effort. Still a lot of effort, just less
I am talking more about close to 100% effort. That is, your injuries don’t hinder the effort that you contract your muscles doing exercises.
I took AAS when there were injuries that I had to work around. I had to do movements that didn’t cause pain but still trained the muscle group.
Anavar with Sustanon, well, that’s a new one. Have you done any research into the specific properties of each drug? Do you realize how counterintuitive taking those two together is…and even better, WHY? Yet again, I’m completely astounded that in the 21st century, with a massive amount of data available at everyone’s fingertips, that people don’t WANT to read and learn as much as possible about the drugs they are putting into their body, what they are, how and why they work, possible NEGATIVE side effects, etc. I’m not trying to be an asshole, but if you are even considering running those two together, it shows me that you really don’t know much about what you are putting into your body. For god’s sakes, anytime you put anything into your body, ESPECIALLY if the drug is being injected, you should be very knowledgeable about it in order to maximize harm reduction and protect your body/health.
I’d highly suggest you purchase ANABOLICS 11th Edition: William Llewellyn: 9780999062111: Amazon.com: Books
This is a great resource to learn as much as you can about the history of AAS, how they work down at the cellular level, all the specifics of each particular drug, stacking, RISKS, etc.
Before I ever took a pill or injected a substance into my body, when I was highly considering taking AAS (but for an actual reason/use, I was getting into competitive bodybuilding), I read as many things as I could get my hands on to learn as much as humanly possible about all aspects of AAS…the good, especially the BAD, everything. This isn’t like just taking some creatine, these are extremely powerful drugs and they have the potential of causing serious bodily injury if used incorrectly. Will you instantly drop dead, like if you took a “hot shot” of heroin? of course not, but you can cause your body serious, sometimes irreversible harm. Just take some time to read about all of the bodybuilders who have died due to AAS…and look how many have died very recently, in the past 10-15 years. It’s pretty scary, actually, how many never make it past the age of 50, 60 tops! So, the things you do when you ae young with AAS can and will often rear up and cause great harm later on. Just my .02
I’ve done a lot of research and I still can’t find anything on why running anavar alongside testosterone would be counterintuitive. I can’t find anything on why using a mix of long and short esters would affect anything either. Could you explain?
I’ve got my labs done and went ahead and got the boys frozen even though I fully intend on completing PCT.
Weeks 1-12:
sustanon 275: 550mg weekly (67 units EOD)
Weeks 4-6: get labs, assess sides if any. I have Adex and nolva on hand and can introduce low doses of them as needed. (Estradiol >60 with noticeable sides)
Weeks 6- 12: anavar 50mg daily pre workout (considering splitting that dose in half)
And then starting a 6 week PCT with both nolva and clomid 3 weeks post injection, slowly tapering down towards weeks 4-6
at this point I don’t think you could convince me not to run a cycle, but any dosing/harm reduction advice would be appreciated
I’m not too sure why taking sustanon and anavar together is counter-intuitive either, I would appreciate learning from your experience @meastlake1
You can google it.
It’s worth a google.
As @FlatsFarmer said, do some RESEARCH but I’ll give you a brief explanation. Again, it’s not that it’s “bad” to run together, but for the high $$ of anavar, and what you get out of it, it doesn’t make sense to add it in when you are taking Sustanon. Sustanon, or Testosterone, is highly anabolic and androgenic. Anavar is a moderate anabolic with low androgenic properties. Hence why they give it to burn patients, cancer patients, etc.
If you are already taking sustanon and reaping all of the anabolic benefits (increased nitrogen retention, increased protein systhesis, e.g. increased tissue accumulation/growth), why add in only a low to moderately anabolic compound, and at that, to really get a big anabolic boost, you would need to take a minimum of 50mg (which is still low) but better would be 100mg. Seeing as how most pharma anavar is sold in 5mg or 10mg doses, yeah, that would get VERY expensive. Not to mention, MOST underground “anavar” is not anavar, it’s some cheap substitute but they sell it to you at high anavar prices…they do the same shit with primobolan, another expensive drug. SO, it’s very likely you aren’t even getting real anavar but probably dianabol tablets.
You could add in a much stronger/beneficial compound that also ADDS in a little something different which will be synergistic to Testosterone…DECA for example. Deca is a good anabolic, low androgenic, and it’s phenomenal for your joints. When you take Deca, any little nagging elbow/shoulder/knee pain will go away fully and your skeletal system will feel like it did when you were a kid.
Anavar is much better suited for when you are dieting down for a show, as it’s anabolic, which will aid in keeping hold of your lean muscle tissue and keeping you anabolic while you are in a nutritionally catabolic state. Plus, since is is very low androgenic, you will not have the side effects with something like a sustanon which is water retention/bloat. When you are dieting for a show or just to get very lean, you have to cut out the long acting compounds you are taking so as to minimize water retention. You also want to take drugs which are known to be strongly anabolic but low androgenic. That’s why people take primobolan, anavar, water-based winstrol, test prop when dieting. Yes, I know winvy/test prop are stronger androgens, but since they are so fast acting, they don’t hang around and allow water retention. Being in a dieted state, your body wants to burn everything BUT bodyfat for fuel, which is your hard earned muscle. So you have to fight that by being in as much of an anabolic state as possible.
Still, read about all of this and research. You’ll soon see what I am talking about.
thanks for going more in depth with your explanation. After more research I realize that you should use minimal compounds and dosages to gauge your tolerance and response. I doubt this will be a one and done deal and if I want to be able to run these different compounds over the next couple decades I need to approach this the right way.
PS I see everyone suggesting test E for beginner( less esters = lower chances issues) but is there any use cases where Sustanon would be preferred?
Thanks for explaining and clarifying that it isn’t bad to run, which I had gathered from your first message. It does all depend on individual goals. I’m currently running 50mg prop, 50mg anavar, .75mg reta and 3iu gh daily in a substantial deficit and since adding in anavar I’ve got stronger. You could question the legitimacy I suppose as I haven’t sent it personally for testing but the source is very reputable.
I believe you and I have similar goals at the moment. I’m looking to hard cut while still maximizing muscle growth potential. I’m curious when you added the anavar and how noticeable it was? Also why’d you decide to run prop?
March 23rd I started anavar, prop and gh. I was using enanthate prior at 125mg per week. I picked up some cheap prop, read about less water retention and fancied going to every day pinning. So since then I’ve started getting a little bit stronger. my weight went up the first two weeks but I wasn’t looking any fatter and it’s only started to drop below starting weight now. I eat the same food every day so it was my body adjusting to the hormones.