[quote]Dezz wrote:
i respond very well to even mild dosages of oral steroids. discovered that moderate dosage oral cycles for relatively long(and controversial) periods (8-12 weeks),is excellent for building quality lean mass. downside obviously is the extreme and prolonged stress on the liver, severity based upon the steroid involved.
cycles consisting of var or tbol for 8-12 weeks at the 40-60mg range slowly builds solid muscle mass that i have had no trouble keeping. bloat and common androgenic sides have never been an issue, hence never needing anti-e during.
keep in mind I get blood tests before/mid cycle/and well after pct. also liver supplementation and a lifestyle which involves avoiding other toxins paired with a healthy diet is utilized.
my time off is also considerably longer than time on. pct is always in check as well as anti eās on hand in case of unexpected occurrences. I have accepted the risks involved, do what i can to avoid them, and am willing to face the potential consequences. this is important when embarking on oral only cycles.
dezz
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Holy Moly Batman! Someone else who seems to react to these substances like me! And his thinking mirrors mine as well!
Nice post Dezz. And what I like the best: you are getting bloodwork done to really evaluate what the hell the substance is doing to you.
[quote]Contrl wrote:
Anaver only cycles, or any oral only cycles, are a horrible idea altogether; especially for beginners. Oneās receptors are as fresh as theyāll ever be for their first cycles, and one should take advantage of that by using substances that will ensure a higher percentage of retained gaines, namely testosterone (a kick-start oral is okay, however). To go with something as flemsy and slow as Anavar is a horrible idea, I donāt care how many success testimonies there are.[/quote]
No disrespect, but I differ in my opinion here.
As others have noted in their posts on this subject, the effectiveness of whatever cycle is chosen is dependent on the goal. I think (I hope) most folks even thinking of dabbling in steroids realize that gains generated by usage of Anavar will NOT measure up to gains generated by other substances like Test. If you want to get as massive as possible, you will have to use much larger doses and substances like Test. If you just want to cut up a little, gain a bit more tone or slightly augment what youāve built so far, Anavar is fine.
I donāt subscribe to the āfresh receptorsā when you 1st start out theory. I think it is a very very smart idea to begin small and gradually increase your intake as you see how the substance works for you. Therefore, I believe it is quite a good thing to begin with orals like Oxandrolone or D-bol as your 1st cycle.
I second buffd_samurai and dezz. You have to try things and see how you react to them.
I did two on two off X3 this summer with Cy_s needle phobic cycle (50 Vin + 50 Var) No suppression as far as I can tell at all. Did nolva after first two weaker for four days but did not after the other two and felt no difference.
If anything I felt my libido was up. I dropped about 15lbs of fat and gained a bit more muscle. I followed modified velocity diet for four weeks (3 shakes plus three salad and meat meals) then relaxed it a bit but still ate clean. Got pretty shredded, six-pack etc_
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
damn now i am confused, my research and AAS education has led me to believe that ALL oral only cycles are bad ideas, mainly due to them not keeping gains well post cycle.
I have to be honest Anavar is not something I have looked into much, but now I am intrigued, I am considering a VAR only cycle in between IM cycles to assist with cutting, I like what I have read so far about Anavar.
I sympathise with those who state it is expensive and diffilcult to get as that is not the case from where I am.
so would a 4 week cycle of Anavar at say 80mg a day require no anti E or PCT?
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I was a noobie last year and was all about oral cycles and thought that they were safer than IM AAS. I have a friend that is a Dr and he even stated that orals are far worse for your body as long as you keep a sterile field when giving the injections. I would recommend doing a moderate cycle of test and deca for you first and see what kind of gains you get.
Take all the extra money that you have left over and just buy food and protein with it. Make sure your diet is spot on. Run it for 12 weeks and dont be scared, its not that big of a deal. You should be much more pleased with the results than with a Var only cycle. By the way I did a var only cycle last year and it do much for me at all IMO. Not worth the $$ that I shelled out for a very minimal gain.
[quote]BSC819 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
damn now i am confused, my research and AAS education has led me to believe that ALL oral only cycles are bad ideas, mainly due to them not keeping gains well post cycle.
I have to be honest Anavar is not something I have looked into much, but now I am intrigued, I am considering a VAR only cycle in between IM cycles to assist with cutting, I like what I have read so far about Anavar.
I sympathise with those who state it is expensive and diffilcult to get as that is not the case from where I am.
so would a 4 week cycle of Anavar at say 80mg a day require no anti E or PCT?
I was a noobie last year and was all about oral cycles and thought that they were safer than IM AAS. I have a friend that is a Dr and he even stated that orals are far worse for your body as long as you keep a sterile field when giving the injections. I would recommend doing a moderate cycle of test and deca for you first and see what kind of gains you get.
Take all the extra money that you have left over and just buy food and protein with it. Make sure your diet is spot on. Run it for 12 weeks and dont be scared, its not that big of a deal. You should be much more pleased with the results than with a Var only cycle. By the way I did a var only cycle last year and it do much for me at all IMO. Not worth the $$ that I shelled out for a very minimal gain.
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Thanks for the post, I have run 4 IM cycles previously though, so I wont be scared
Anavar is not tat expensive here, I might give it a go inbetween IM cycles just to see how I react.
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
BSC819 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
damn now i am confused, my research and AAS education has led me to believe that ALL oral only cycles are bad ideas, mainly due to them not keeping gains well post cycle.
I have to be honest Anavar is not something I have looked into much, but now I am intrigued, I am considering a VAR only cycle in between IM cycles to assist with cutting, I like what I have read so far about Anavar.
I sympathise with those who state it is expensive and diffilcult to get as that is not the case from where I am.
so would a 4 week cycle of Anavar at say 80mg a day require no anti E or PCT?
I was a noobie last year and was all about oral cycles and thought that they were safer than IM AAS. I have a friend that is a Dr and he even stated that orals are far worse for your body as long as you keep a sterile field when giving the injections. I would recommend doing a moderate cycle of test and deca for you first and see what kind of gains you get.
Take all the extra money that you have left over and just buy food and protein with it. Make sure your diet is spot on. Run it for 12 weeks and dont be scared, its not that big of a deal. You should be much more pleased with the results than with a Var only cycle. By the way I did a var only cycle last year and it do much for me at all IMO. Not worth the $$ that I shelled out for a very minimal gain.
Thanks for the post, I have run 4 IM cycles previously though, so I wont be scared
Anavar is not tat expensive here, I might give it a go inbetween IM cycles just to see how I react.
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Thats cool then. If you have already ran several IM cycles than a anavar only cycle might be allright. Im sure that you have mass built up or you would still try to be bulking up. Var will get you shredded and vascular and is fairly safe for an OS. Good luck and let me know how it works out for you. I ran 50mg a day for 6 weeks with decent success, nothing spectacular though.
Read , research , choose. imho fuck what anyone sayās about ādont do oralsā you need testā¦ etc. it all depends on your goal and what your after. So if you feel that anavar is right for your specific goal and u can afford it. Go right ahead, its not going to kill u and u will probably get good results since its your first AAS cycle. I say have fun with itā¦ and make a log here so we all can learn from your experiences.
You want significant size and strength gains, then no. But I agree that an anavar cycle can be a good choice depending on your goals. I am thinking about doing 2 two-week blitz cycles of anavar at 60mg ED with 2 weeks off in between later this year. I have my reasons for doing this.
I donāt care about gaining much if any size on these cycles or even really gaining strength. I just got really nice and lean and am now focusing on adding more lean mass while minizing fat gain, using a carb cycling apporach. Then I will shred, with some help from anavar.
Why? I donāt want water retention. I donāt really want to be suppressed. And I want to feel great while āonā which happens with var [for me at least]. I just want a boost during strict dieting. Iāll use TRIBEX in between the two cycles. I might stack some leftover MAG-10 for the second two weeks. And nolva afterwards. But the nolva is probably overkill. Canāt hurt though.
If you are committed to appreciable gains and donāt mind some ānastierā sides and a more extensive PCT, you should consider adding winstrol and anadrol or better yet going the injectible route. But anavar alone can have its place depending on what youāre looking for.
Var at the doses you say will shut you down. Not 100% but enough to feel lethargy and some loss of libido.
Water retention is completely dependant on diet. You can have water retention with 1gram of primo as can have no water retention on deca.
Var gains are slow to come by and in 2 week cycles you would have to use between 80-100mg and then you will need some pct.
āI just want a boost during strict dieting.ā. . .IMO what you are after can be done naturally or like you said with MAG-10.
I do agree that anavar has its place but not as a stand-alone steroid.
[quote]sawadeekrob wrote:
OK I will chime in with some experience.
Var at the doses you say will shut you down. Not 100% but enough to feel lethargy and some loss of libido.
Water retention is completely dependant on diet. You can have water retention with 1gram of primo as can have no water retention on deca.
Var gains are slow to come by and in 2 week cycles you would have to use between 80-100mg and then you will need some pct.
āI just want a boost during strict dieting.ā. . .IMO what you are after can be done naturally or like you said with MAG-10.
I do agree that anavar has its place but not as a stand-alone steroid.[/quote]
Yes, I expect some shutdown. But I will be doing PCT. [certainly after the second two weeks]. Iām not looking for any gains. Iām looking to maintain strength and muscle during really strict dieting. So, I think 60mg a day would be sufficient. I think thereās no question that anavar has benefit during dieting.
Anavar and MAG-10 complement each other well. Bill Roberts has written on this. This will be good for the second two weeks, followed by PCT. I would use it for the first two weeks, but I donāt donāt have much MAG-10 and I also wasnāt planning to do any PCT following the first two weekss. You think I should do PCT in between the two-week anavar cycles even at 60 mg a day? I normally donāt get any results from TRIBEX. I suspect itās because my T is in the high-normal range already based on bloodwork. Taken far from a cycle, I find no improvements in performance or well-being.
However, I do find that it is beneficial after real PCT. As far as bloat goes, I agree that it is heavily dependent on diet. But I find that some compounds [such as anadrol] will result in some bloat no matter what, even with a low-carb, low-sodium diet. Though it is a good deal less than otherwise.
When i first started with aas i did 3 all oral cycles, a winstrol cycle, a tbol and a dbol.
Everybody pointed and laughed at me cos i wasted my money 3 times.
Anyway i wised up and traded 12lbs of dbol induced water retention for 18lbs of test e induced lean muscle.
Get your calorie/macro intake to the point where if you eat anymore you get really fat. Then research test in relation to your goals, test rhymes with best for a reason!
As reguards cutting, keeping you carbs and salt/sodium in check ran with a short ester test will buff you out no end.
For PCT, i have seen great recovery with tribulus alone (for anavar). IMHO you might want nolva only if you stack something like test with it.
In Addition, i did a tbol only cycle for 6 weeks @ 60mg, and had phenomincal results. In the future i would add test at a low dose but i gained 14 super lean pounds, and killed lots of fat. Side effects: horrible endurance, and didnt get full libido for 6 months or more. Take it for what its worth.
[quote]cheeta wrote:
Anavar is a highly developed steroid that was designed for women and children, I among with the guys that have responded to your thread think it would be a good idea for a first cycle to try something like Anavar like you said to feel things out.
It is soft and wont give you any problems with estrogen. It wont make you a huge muscle monster but for a first cycle you dont need that much and can get away with using Anavar only not all cycles need to include test.
Best of luck to ya !
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Just curious cheeta, but do you use var? I donāt see you hanginā around these parts much so Iām kinda wondering if you had some personal experiences youāre drawing from to make you post.
Just curious cheeta, but do you use var? I donāt see you hanginā around these parts much so Iām kinda wondering if you had some personal experiences youāre drawing from to make you post. :)[/quote]
What she stated about var is pretty much common knowledge.
That said, I hope she does use Var, I think chemically enhanced girls are hot, huge turn on.
Its a sign of dedication and intelligence if they have been around the game long enough to be experimenting with gear and can use it correctly.
Yeah Iām aware itās common knowledge Westclock, I just never see her post in here so I figured she had been using var herself and wanted to post on the thread because it aroused interest from her personal experience.
Also, I know sheās a powerlifter (and a hot one at that!) and is training where many of these compounds are easily available, so maybe sheās been on.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Yeah Iām aware itās common knowledge Westclock, I just never see her post in here so I figured she had been using var herself and wanted to post on the thread because it aroused interest from her personal experience.
Also, I know sheās a powerlifter (and a hot one at that!) and is training where many of these compounds are easily available, so maybe sheās been on.[/quote]
Oh Im fully aware, I wasnt questioning you, simply commenting on possible explanations and saying that girls + steroids turns me on.
[quote]oscarhs wrote:
Read , research , choose. imho fuck what anyone sayās about ādont do oralsā you need testā¦ etc. it all depends on your goal and what your after. So if you feel that anavar is right for your specific goal and u can afford it. Go right ahead, its not going to kill u and u will probably get good results since its your first AAS cycle. I say have fun with itā¦ and make a log here so we all can learn from your experiences.
Ok so why bump a thread thats heading toward a year old to say āX2ā.
Winkroar, I am going to have to suggest that nobody pay any attention to you and definitely not take any advice what so ever from you. You havent shown me a bit of intelligence in AAS whatsoever.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You CANNOT prove to me that its a good idea to waste your first cycle on 4 wks of Anavar. Regardless of goals. You need to read a book if youāre going to post advice here.
