[quote]Cottonelle_Rocks wrote:
Thanks for all the help so far guys. I have heard that some people cut the var tabs with d bol. I figured I would be able to tell based on the water retention and I have heard you get some rough back pumps. Part of the reason why I am not running test on this first go around is I have had gyno before and had it removed. I am very hesistant to step up for that reason as well. I wanted this because of my goals and if I feel comfortable testing the waters I will step up. It is nerve racking the first time around, my health is very important to me along with my performance. I was hoping to see some good strength gains with some mass, but mass is not the priority. Would I be better off maybe combining the var with a cut to help me retain gains after a bulk maybe? I have never had a problem dropping weight, just wanted this as an edge to bump me up a class. Thoughts?[/quote]
With enough of a proper AI (and possibly a dopamine agonist, which you should not need with just test), administered appropriately, you will never ever, ever ever ever ever evereverever get gyno. Ever.
If there is someone more inclined to get gyno than anyone else on earth, it is me, and now that I have educated myself on proper AI (and related ancillary) administration, I NEVER get anywhere near developing gyno.
You should stick with testosterone. Use the propionate ester if you are that worried about gyno, so that you can pull the plug quickly if you need to. But you shouldn’t have to.
I am not as experienced as some of you guys on this board, but isnt it smarter to start with a lower dose for your first cycle to see what kind of gains you are going to get. I did a anavar only cycle for my 3rd after I did a couple of test cycles and I started with 40MG ED and got decent results. I am thinking that 100mg-200mg is a little bit much and expensive as hell, especially the first cycle that he tries. My buddy was also taking a Anavar cycle was only doing 30MG ED and got even better results.
[quote]BSC819 wrote:
I am not as experienced as some of you guys on this board, but isnt it smarter to start with a lower dose for your first cycle to see what kind of gains you are going to get. I did a anavar only cycle for my 3rd after I did a couple of test cycles and I started with 40MG ED and got decent results. I am thinking that 100mg-200mg is a little bit much and expensive as hell, especially the first cycle that he tries. My buddy was also taking a Anavar cycle was only doing 30MG ED and got even better results.[/quote]
IMO ‘decent results’ are more a waste of money then ‘best results’.
You are right Bonez, if I wanted to go all out i would have gotten another round of test/EQ. I equate an Anavar only cycle superior to a prohormone cycle (like superdrol). And what i mean is less sides and better gains. I just used it to bust a plateau in my training, nothing more. Granted that was an expensive plateau to bust but none the less it worked and i achieved what I set out to do.
[quote]BSC819 wrote:
I am not as experienced as some of you guys on this board, but isnt it smarter to start with a lower dose for your first cycle to see what kind of gains you are going to get. I did a anavar only cycle for my 3rd after I did a couple of test cycles and I started with 40MG ED and got decent results. I am thinking that 100mg-200mg is a little bit much and expensive as hell, especially the first cycle that he tries. My buddy was also taking a Anavar cycle was only doing 30MG ED and got even better results.[/quote]
Just out of curiosity - what were your results on 40 mg ed and your buddies at 30 mg ed, and what are/were your stats/goals/diet/training methods, etc.
I have some buddies trying it out to break some plateaus for football and they were curious on how to dose due to all the different recommendations. Some steroid PDF’s on the internet that I’ve seen say regular dosage is between 20-50 mg, however on the nation forums among other gear forums, they recommend no less than 50 mg ever. I personally believe it comes down to goals, the reality is not everyone is in it for bodybuilding purposes. However, I am relatively new to the world of aas and open to opinions.
Apologies for the slight hijacking - PM me if you’re inclined to respond.
Interesting, I am thinking of maybe throwing a little test prop on the last 4 weeks of the cycle. I am not sure yet though, I am very nervous about stacking this first time around. I need to get some Nolva for my PCT, what is your guys stance on research chems? Wish I would have ordered it with the var, but now am nervous about ordering internationally again. Any suggestions?
[quote]Cottonelle_Rocks wrote:
Interesting, I am thinking of maybe throwing a little test prop on the last 4 weeks of the cycle. I am not sure yet though, I am very nervous about stacking this first time around. I need to get some Nolva for my PCT, what is your guys stance on research chems? Wish I would have ordered it with the var, but now am nervous about ordering internationally again. Any suggestions?[/quote]
Lots of people order internationally…
Test should be part of this cycle, you should not be worried about stacking.
Would it be alright to go with the research chems for my PCT? I want to make sure those companies are okay, I figure legal sources would be okay to discuss since I have found info in other threads. I am still not 100% on the test yet, like I said I don’t want more than a 10lb gain or I will be out of my league as far as weight classes go, you think the var alone for 10 weeks couldn’t elicit 8lbs or so over a 10 week course?
Alright guys I am going to throw in some test it looks like it is the way to go. Now since I do not want to gain a ton of weight, I was thinking the following.
Weeks 1-8 40mg var ed
Weeks 9-10 60mg var ed
Weeks 7-10 100mg test prop and .5mg arimidex eod
Weeks 11-12 40mg ed Nolva
Weeks 13-14 20mg ed Nolva
Am I missing anything here? Would I be better off doing some sort of taper protocol? I just don’t want the people I train with to start noticing that I suddenly blew up 20lbs in 2 months. Would Test Enth work well or prop be best for what I am looking for?
[quote]Cottonelle_Rocks wrote:
Would it be alright to go with the research chems for my PCT? I want to make sure those companies are okay, I figure legal sources would be okay to discuss since I have found info in other threads. I am still not 100% on the test yet, like I said I don’t want more than a 10lb gain or I will be out of my league as far as weight classes go, you think the var alone for 10 weeks couldn’t elicit 8lbs or so over a 10 week course?[/quote]
The var by itself could make you gain from 5-10 pounds in that period while leaning up a bit if your diet and training are on point.
But why would you want to do that? you should walk around at like…190 then fight at 170 (or whatever that difference might be for your respective weight class). Drop hella water for your weigh-ins and be the biggest guy in your weight class.
My guess ? Yes you will gain more than 10 pounds if your diet is in check.
No I would not have added any fat, if anything I would have been leaner
I know ur pretty much in the same situation as I wouldve been cycle wise as this is your first cycle and you are facing the same mmmm… indecisions that I wouldve faced.
Yeah that’s why I was wondering if maybe I should go with test enth instead of prop. To be honest the thought of pinning myself is something I will have to get over because I am terrified of needles. I was thinking along 300-350mg of test with the var so I probably won’t gain as much as you are zraw. I just really have to be careful, if my work finds out and decides to test me it would ruin my career as well. The gains will be great but so long as it’s one of those things I can hide under a hoodie for a couple months I can deal. Problem is if my forearms are suddenly twice their size in 2 months, and I am walking around at a shredded 190 I could have issues with work and my competing.
That is why I was thinking of starting with var only and throwing in some test towards the end to give myself a little boost. Although I understand with the enth I would probably have to go from the start. What do you guys think?
No worries man that, is exactly what I wanted. You are looking great, pretty much what I am going for. I think I am going to pull the trigger and get some form of test. Now I am torn between which one, and whether I should taper or not. I am starting the var on the first week of May, but would like to get on test as soon as possible, just kick starting the cycle with the var alone. Or would I be okay just rounding off the cycle with test?
I cannot really give advices as to what you SHOULD do, as I dont feel im experienced enough.
But what I wouldve done wouldve been to start and run test E and start the var 2 weeks later… so I would basically be running both the test and the var for 12 weeks each.
Test being 1-12 and var 3-14 (until start of pct).
Again, this is not a recommendation, just what I would be doing.
