Still no water retention or gyno… but sex drive is quickly disappearing :o(
[quote]vin_mancini wrote:
Still no water retention or gyno… but sex drive is quickly disappearing :o([/quote]
Ha, hope the gains roll in now bud.
You know I’m getting the itch with all this talk to get on board and post my own results…Damn close to doing that.
I know my shizzle is good, and it might help to confirm or not comfirm what's been going on lately.
So in the name of science purely…lol…I will join the experiment!!
I'm going to start tomorrow or Thursday,
For a short two weeker of gains,
ToneBone
[quote]vin_mancini wrote:
Still no water retention or gyno… but sex drive is quickly disappearing :o([/quote]
that’s the opposite to what I experience, some times I wish if my sex drive would go off for a bit.
Once when I fucked up my PCT, I had loss of libido for a few months and I have to say it was actually quite liberating, when i went out I was not ‘controlled’ by sexual urges, I was not distracted by anything female that came into my view.
It also paved the way for a major power shift at home, when I am on and want sex all the time my wife has the power, when I lost my libido it was very interesting to see the dynamics of the relationship shift when the wife lost her ‘pussy power’
Anyone else experiencing muscles cramping when on anadrol (or winstrol?)
Whenever I stretch a muscle to quickly, especially pecs or thighs, they cramp up a bit, then relaxes again. Strange. And my last tab of drol+winstrol was on sunday.
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m Italian, and I’d rather be TOO horny than not horny at all ;o)
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
It also paved the way for a major power shift at home, when I am on and want sex all the time my wife has the power, when I lost my libido it was very interesting to see the dynamics of the relationship shift when the wife lost her ‘pussy power’
HAHAHAHA that’s priceless E_E.
I’ve got this image of you with no libido, but a smug grin, chilling out at home, whilst the wife stands there looking pissed off!
An unexpected positive side-effect of steroid cycle recovery 
Bushy[/quote]
Cheers Bushy! I also got a lot more things done, as I was spending a lot less time browsing the internet 
Vin, I know how you feel mate it is rather shitty but try and make the best of it if you can, not wanting sex is a rather scary experience at first as it is totally alien to us, but if like me you can find some solace in the freedom it gives you and the fact you know it is only temporary it is not too bad an experience.
i still do not understand why you have lost your libido though has anyone else suffered this during cycle?
Sounds like the drol/win combo kicks ass. I’ve taken drol in the past but never with win. Like ee said, even at 50mg ed i blew up and gained about a lb every day or so. of course i was also taking a low amount of test e5d. never experienced any cramps or dead limbs in the morn though, just a full body pump all day long and i always felt the effects of the anadrol within at least 3 -4 days.
Hm… Been reading a bit more, and thinking (maybe too much, hehe). Anyway, a few quastions:
When doing the anadrol + winstrol cycle, how do I know which of the drugs are doing what?
What I mean is: I have no previous experience with either of these (or any other steroids apart from a ten-day testing of tbol.
So would winstrol at 50mg ed on it’s own produce good strength gains?
How should anadrol on it’s own rate compared to winstrol on just the strength gain?
Also, would the use of winstrol along with anadrol limit the strength gains from anadrol due to the reduction in watergain? From what I understand retaining water will be part of the strength gain of a steroid, correct?
On 100-150mg ED of anadrol with 50mg of winstrol I had NO bloating, but after five-six days I started getting some good strength gains, with relatively modest (for anadrol from what Ive read) sizegain. Ran it for two weeks.
Starting to wonder if my strength gains were mostly from the winny and if the drol was underdosed or otherwise “ineffective”.
Sorry for the somewhat rambling post.
I’ve been reading that the people that had little gains with Anadrol ended up having fantastic gains with D-Bol (and vice versa). I think the only gains I got out of my cycle was when I upped my winnie to 100mg… that’s when I started noticing a difference. Even while taking 150mg of Anadrol (which should have made me blow up like a balloon regardless of any other variables) I still didn’t put on much size though strength went up.
I too felt I should have blown up a bit more…
Next run will be from another place.
[quote]balisong wrote:
I too felt I should have blown up a bit more…
Next run will be from another place.
[/quote]
To both of you,
Guys,
I feel you should have noticed more size gain personally. There is no comparison between the anadrol and winstrol for strength at these doseages also. Winnie will/should get crushed by adrol in this respect. No the winstrol will not negatively affect the strength boost from adrol. That is if the drol is real. I’m very skeptical in your particular cases that you indeed got what you paid for.
On another end, these compounds aren’t going to turn anyone into the 2008 Iron Man IFBB winner overnight either. 2 Weeks is a very short amount of time, it WILL produce, but don’t look for miracles either. Your size gains will be more controlled by diet and CHO intake in my opinion than some might think. If your carbs are moderate to high, you SHOULD blow up bigtime. If they’re low, you should remain lean but still gain decent size, and minimal bloating.
Hard to say,
I would think your drol isn’t real, but take a minute and really analyze your diet and how you looked before and right now. I’m sorry if you guys got burned on one or both compounds but, well…you know how it goes w/internet shit sometimes. Could have been underdosed too like you mentioned Vinny.
Keep on trucking though,
ToneBone
Well, I definetely got some decent strength gains, but very little size. read somewhere that a LOT of anadrol is either fake, severely underdosed or even sometimes something else (than oxymetholone) entirely.
We’ll see if my next run gives me more of that anadrol-feeling i expected.
[quote]balisong wrote:
Well, I definetely got some decent strength gains, but very little size. read somewhere that a LOT of anadrol is either fake, severely underdosed or even sometimes something else (than oxymetholone) entirely.
We’ll see if my next run gives me more of that anadrol-feeling i expected.[/quote]
Quite correct. You said next run, do you mean to aquire from somewhere else for that run?
At least you’re getting something right?
Strength is a good thing.
TBN
Yep have ordered from a different source for my next two-weeker.
But yes, strength is definietely a good thing, and is actually my first priority.
been five days since my last tab and strength still seems to be on the rise a little!
[quote]balisong wrote:
Yep have ordered from a different source for my next two-weeker.
But yes, strength is definietely a good thing, and is actually my first priority.
been five days since my last tab and strength still seems to be on the rise a little![/quote]
I said it a few times now, as long as you keep it to 2 weeks “on”, the pituitary stays “sensitized”, and your LHRH levels are in a good way, and since your own levels don’t drop as far as extended time on past 2 wks, you get the benefit of being in a “pseudo on” type of scenario in the follow up. Thus the recovery not only happens, but happens in a much more efficient way than one would expect. At least in as much laymans terms as I can put it anyway. Of course I’m no expert, but it has always been like this for me in 2 week scenarios, vs. anything over 2 weeks. 3 weeks is not the same as 2 in my own experience with this phenomenon, as far as recovery and maintenance, or increase of gains in the post 2 week period. These do not last long however, maybe for me it was substantial the first post cycle week, and marginal the second post cycle week, in terms of gains being made still.
Fairly amazing to me, glad you’re having a good run despite the lack of as much size as you wanted. Remember again though, size takes more time to manifest just physiologically speaking than does strength, or so it seems.
I'm on my second day myself as the itch got to be too much after reading you and Vinny's trials and tribulations here, lol!! I know my goods are legit too.
Will keep in touch,
ToneBone
EDIT:
I found this gem in a discussion between my good buddy Chillain and some others discussing Bill Roberts understanding of these two week cycles. Here is a snippet of that discussion. Bills own words here…
"BR: The advantage is that there’s actually a two-stage process of inhibition. You have the hypothalamus and the pituitary. Between the two of them, the hypothalamus produces a hormone called LHRH, and that tells the pituitary to produce LH. LH tells the testicles to produce testosterone. Now, after two weeks, the pituitary actually isn’t inhibited yet. In fact, it’s sensitized.
So it will put out more LH from LHRH during the first two weeks. If you stop at two weeks, the recovery is very, very fast. All you have to do is stop and when the hypothalamus produces LHRH, you’re back in business, especially if you use Clomid. You’ll get a very fast recovery. You’ll be back to normal in less than a week.
But, if you go beyond that two-week point, the pituitary also goes into a state of suppression. And from that point, it can take many weeks to get back to normal."
And further explanation/rationalization of the magic of the 2 weeker…
“Is there evidence that muscles are more responsive to the same level of androgen after having been exposed to high dose androgen? That would be the case, at least temporarily, if upregulation occurred. The answer is yes, there is such evidence, anecdotally. If a brief cycle (2 weeks) of high dose AAS with short-acting acetate ester is used, there can be substantially increased androgenic activity, relative to baseline, in weeks 3 and 4 even though the exogenously-supplied androgen is long out of the system. This is what would be expected if upregulation occurred. It could not be the case if substantial downregulation occurred.”
Enjoy this rare gem,
ToneBone
From the place I ordered, everyone is complaining about the drol but say that the DBOL is definitely real and a very good substitute for drol. Have any of you stacked Winnie and DBol together? I really suspect my winnie is good so if the two stacked well together maybe I could get some DBOL for my next 2 weeker which I will be doing in about 3 weeks from now.
Thoughts?
Great finding ToneBone! Yes Bill Roberts really seem to like these short cycles. And so far, so do I!
Also interested ro know about the effect of combining dbol and winny compared to drol and winny.
Also, does the “old” advice of combining classI steroids with classII still stand? I read that the whole classI classII classification was based on a misunderstanding/oversimplyfication on how androgens work, but in-the trenches results is far more interesting than chemical theory to me.
So how about combining winny, drol (or dbol) with anavar? Say 50mg?
I won’t do it for now, but if the vets here say it’s good I might try it on later.
[quote]balisong wrote:
Great finding ToneBone! Yes Bill Roberts really seem to like these short cycles. And so far, so do I!
Also interested ro know about the effect of combining dbol and winny compared to drol and winny.
Also, does the “old” advice of combining classI steroids with classII still stand? I read that the whole classI classII classification was based on a misunderstanding/oversimplyfication on how androgens work, but in-the trenches results is far more interesting than chemical theory to me.
So how about combining winny, drol (or dbol) with anavar? Say 50mg?
I won’t do it for now, but if the vets here say it’s good I might try it on later.[/quote]
Vinny/Bali,
Well, everyone is different, and there are camps on both sides of these four compounds and their combos. I’ve personally run both pairs, (dbol/var, drol/win), and I respond much better to the latter myself.
The difference between these is that yes, with dbol/var, you’re talking about a class I and a class II, so there should be some synergy going on here. Anavar appears to bind well to the AR as long as it is a higher end dose, so that’s great.
The other two, while technically not synergistic between classes, do have a unique synergy all their own, which I believe we have gone over already, so I won’t go there.
Dbol/win, is not going to get you the same kind of non-class synergy that drol/win does. They’re both class II, and there’s just something about drol/win that is inherently different and some might say, “magical”. You get into the whole pathways and why they compliment each other, but that’s another story and you guys know via myself and the other guys, just what it means in layman terms.
Anyway, if it were me, (and it was actually once,lol), I would go ahead and try dbol/var and compare that with your drol/win. You might respond better, or you might not.
I bank on drol/win hands down for me. I got sides from dbol/var estro wise, and had none whatsoever from drol/win.
My doses were as such;
drol/win-100/50 ed. split twice.
dbol/var-50/80 ed. split 2-4 x day.
Good luck to both of you,
ToneBone