How correlated to Satan is the Illuminati? Who is Satan anyway? What are his goals and what are the goals of the Illuminati?
Directed to the 23 Supreme Councils of the Illuminati 4 June 1889:
“To you, Sovereign Instructors of Grade 33, we tell you: you have to repeat
to the brothers of inferior grades that we worship only one God to whom we
pray without superstition. It is we, Initiated in the Supreme Grade, that are to keep the real Masonic religion preserving pure the Lucifer doctrine”
- Albert Pike - (Illuminati, founder of the Ku Klux Klan)
We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effects of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.
Illustrious Albert Pike 33?
Letter 15 August 1871
Addressed to Grand Master Guiseppie Mazzini 33?
Archives British Museum
London, England
Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason.
- Illustrious Albert Pike 33?
Sovereign Grand Commander
Mother Supreme Council of the World
THE SUPREME COUNCIL of the ThirtyThird and Last Degree
Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry
Morals and Dogma, page 103
To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition, national patriotism and religious dogmas …
We have swallowed all manner of poisonous certainties fed us by our parents, our Sunday and day school teachers, our politicians, our priests, our newspapers and others with vested interests in controlling us.
The reinterpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong which has been the basis of child training, the substitution of intelligent and rational thinking for faith in the certainties of the old people, these are the belated objectives … for charting the changes of human behavior.
DIRECTOR, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION Brock Chisolm
“We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.
“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.”
David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control… Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
[quote]battlelust wrote:
23andbeginner,
Don’t you recognize that your ideas have been refuted?
You know everyone decides that for themselves, don’t you think, but if you can talk on behalf of everyone on this forum, i appologize, so go right ahead.
By acting as if you’re a joke or a crazy, your ideas are refuted.
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Actually i tried it in a sane way all i received was laughter. I just took away that stupid stuff nobody wants to read anyway by posting it myself. That spared a whole discussion of are you serious? Is this a joke. Do you think you know it all…
No one looks at the matter at hand and whatever gets them to do that is just fine. How does it help if i present my ideas like they are the only truth, when really, as has been stated numerous times, everyone has their own truth. Everyone is so content in their own little nutshell fighting on their territory only. It’s just about time to try something new. I bet some people can actually grasp the concept behind my post, though obviously you don’t.
Your sanity must be questionable and therefore your reasoning and ability to recognize patterns means nothing.
There is only one way to think then?
How is my sanity even affected by the fact that i say i might be crazy, but…? Go ahead and save me if you can show me i am wrong, i’d be glad. It gets you to do, what you need to do. Well maybe it does. I mean jlesk can post his ass off and you won’t even look at the matter. I just got you to go one step further and that’s what i care about. Everyone getting their opinion through research rather then repeating what anyone else said. Make up your own mind, that’s all i am saying. See i got you to get involved, when the original post seemed to bother noone. If i get you to look at how the money system is set up you will discover what a bunch of people did. Bush said it “…outlandish cons. theo.” They are never sane, so why not take the step and say hey you know i am propably crazy and if you proof that to me i’ll seek help. Whatever gets the job done and clearly posting information doesn’t, 'cause everyone is just crazy.
Maybe you haven’t taken enough logic classes to understand that by making a mockery of a person, you effectively refute their points.
Why is Bush the president then? All his points have been refuted by what you “learned” in olgic class? You gotta learn that there is more ways in life. You are not automatically stupid if you go your own ways. I never have problems in real life discussions but really i don’t seek to “win” discussions any more. Different premise here, different ways.
Whatever floats your boat dude i was 23 at the time i started posting on my first board and just began doing sports again. You know i have to comment 'cause you are effectively getting everyone of track here.
Did you investiate anything, watch the movie, engage in any of the arguments made? I thought so. Thx for your thin aired opinion and all the nothing you contributed to the discussion.
[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
battlelust wrote:
23andbeginner,
Don’t you recognize that your ideas have been refuted?
You know everyone decides that for themselves, don’t you think, but if you can talk on behalf of everyone on this forum, i appologize, so go right ahead.
By acting as if you’re a joke or a crazy, your ideas are refuted.
Actually i tried it in a sane way all i received was laughter. I just took away that stupid stuff nobody wants to read anyway by posting it myself. That spared a whole discussion of are you serious? Is this a joke. Do you think you know it all…
No one looks at the matter at hand and whatever gets them to do that is just fine. How does it help if i present my ideas like they are the only truth, when really, as has been stated numerous times, everyone has their own truth. Everyone is so content in their own little nutshell fighting on their territory only. It’s just about time to try something new. I bet some people can actually grasp the concept behind my post, though obviously you don’t.
Your sanity must be questionable and therefore your reasoning and ability to recognize patterns means nothing.
There is only one way to think then?
How is my sanity even affected by the fact that i say i might be crazy, but…? Go ahead and save me if you can show me i am wrong, i’d be glad. It gets you to do, what you need to do. Well maybe it does. I mean jlesk can post his ass off and you won’t even look at the matter. I just got you to go one step further and that’s what i care about. Everyone getting their opinion through research rather then repeating what anyone else said. Make up your own mind, that’s all i am saying. See i got you to get involved, when the original post seemed to bother noone. If i get you to look at how the money system is set up you will discover what a bunch of people did. Bush said it “…outlandish cons. theo.” They are never sane, so why not take the step and say hey you know i am propably crazy and if you proof that to me i’ll seek help. Whatever gets the job done and clearly posting information doesn’t, 'cause everyone is just crazy.
Maybe you haven’t taken enough logic classes to understand that by making a mockery of a person, you effectively refute their points.
Why is Bush the president then? All his points have been refuted by what you “learned” in olgic class? You gotta learn that there is more ways in life. You are not automatically stupid if you go your own ways. I never have problems in real life discussions but really i don’t seek to “win” discussions any more. Different premise here, different ways.
by the way, and please don’t take this seriously, I’m enjoying the number contained in your name: 23.
2 and 3 is 5…the number of sides and rings of the facility in D.C. where a demon, made up by H.P. Lovecraft for his sci-fi stories, is trapped. All modern, limited wars are fought to provide human sacrifices for Yog-Sothoth.
Additionally, the 23rd letter of the alphabet is ‘W’…like the president. And 23 and 5 is 28…the number of days in a Woman’s menstrual cycle…the root of a Witch’s (like Laura Bush) power.
Whatever floats your boat dude i was 23 at the time i started posting on my first board and just began doing sports again. You know i have to comment 'cause you are effectively getting everyone of track here.
Thus, I’m convinced that YOU are an Illuminati agent trying to throw us off the track of the TRUTH. Nice try dude, but luckily I saw right through your little ruse.
Did you investiate anything, watch the movie, engage in any of the arguments made? I thought so. Thx for your thin aired opinion and all the nothing you contributed to the discussion.
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Dude, Battlelust was agreeing with you, I on the other hand, while it may have looked like I was agreeing with you was really making fun of you. See, he was disagreeing with you but, doing it sarcastically so therefore he was actually agreeing with you. I was agreeing with you, but doing it sarcastically so in essence I was disagreeing with you. Isn’t it cool how sarcasm changes the meaning of something like that? 
V
[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
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Whatever floats your boat dude i was 23 at the time i started posting on my first board and just began doing sports again.
…
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Just what you want us to believe. I think Battlelust is on to something.
Prove to us you are not an Illuminati.
[quote]vroom wrote:
See, you don’t and you know i major in economics in right about 3 years. Before you laugh out now. I have been in university for 3 years already and that is normal, too. We have a much broader education in same cases. I study chemistry, physics, thermodynamics, math, engeneering stuff in general plus law, economics, etc. It is called a Diploma for engeneering and economics, so i might not be so crazy after all, what do you think?
Ahahahaha. You are almost as funny as Rainjack!
I’m not going to flash my e-penis, but I will admit to being unimpressed by your credentials.
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I am not saying this is anything outstanding or impressive. I just posted it for people to get a little understanding about me as a person. I could be some idiot that just read a website and now “discovered the truth” for all you know, but actually i am one of the view that do their own research befor believing anybody. (accept for maybe Dave Tate) So i had to do this to show you i am not. Just keeping you from rationalizing me down to a goofball. Not that i need to be more than that.
With all these defense mechan. when it comes to this kind of stuff you gotta sometimes make clear where your motivation lies and what type of person you are. I know for some people it could be Bush himself admitting to get a hard-on when seeing school girls being
tortured and raped, the SS flag on top of the White House and still they would be like: “Year when did you take that photo and did you dub the audio in there you leftist goofball freak…”
Again i never implied to be academically special. Hell i can’t even write on your guys level. It’s like i need a dictionary for some of those words you guys use. Not exactly street or school english and i don’t read english novels besides shakespeare a long time ago…No intend to flas a penis there just saying i did look at what i talk about for hours in the library and on the net and reading the papers and magazines. You never did and yet you claim to know that i am full of it. So again i have no motivation other than getting others to look at all this stuff. If it is so stupid it won’t hurt your rational thinking, will it? You could then help me out. If it turns out to be correct, i might have helped you out. That’s the whole point.
Screw the namecalling and screw rehersing political viewpoints, it’s like drama hour on here. Let’s start looking at this stuff before you judge. It is the right thing to do and you know that i am right on this.
?The “Illuminati” sounds fantastic but it is NOT a chimera. Hidden within Freemasonry, it is the Church of Satan. Its membership was known; its premises were raided. Plans and correspondence were seized and published. Defectors attested to the grave danger at formal inquiries. It was suppressed but went underground. It has since grown so powerful that it has literally defined the modern age (under the guise of “progress,” “reform” and “revolution”) and now threatens the future of humanity.?
You can check out the Church of Satan right here: www.churchofsatan.com It has nothing to do with the Illuminati as far as I can tell. That appears to be a fabrication.
?We can instantly recapture an essential part of religion by incorporating the dictim, “Do Unto Others as You Would Have Them Do Unto You,” in our lives. The essence of all true religion is to obey God (i.e. spiritual ideals like justice, truth and love) instead of personal desire, to be selfless instead of selfish.?
I don?t have a religion, yet I do unto others as I?d have them do unto me, unless they treat me bad of course, in which case I treat them the same way. See, morality is not exclusive to religion. I answer to no god, yet I have morals. Furthermore, it is my opinion that justice, truth, and love aren?t spiritual, they?re just fundamental tenets of decency and respect.
Besides, to brand atheists as the root of all evil is ludicrous. Look at all the violence going on because of religion.
Do what thou wilt.
Actually, as Vegita pointedfnord out, I was agreeing with you in the first half of my post.
Then, I startedfnord being silly.
And jlesk, fnordthe full statement is “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” Thisfnord is NOT to be interpreted as do what you WHIM. The true will, not the passing whim shall be the whole of the lawfnord.
“Reality is where opposing groups of shamans fought to a standstill.” -RAWfnord
You know i figured why not talk to the guy that at least has some common ground with me. There is propably something to learn from everyone and there is a reason for being sarcastic about these issues. You know, why comment on your stuff at all. What’s the point. Not like i expect you to do any research. All you know is coming out swinging when your reality is being challenged.
He clearly had his share of you guys too. Sure everyone says lizard people travel through time and hold bloodlines hostage. We are all Credo Mutwa. I am not into space aliens much and while i admit to having read all that, too and actually liking David Icke his main point is let everyone have their opinion. It’s not what a persuasive journalist should do, because it discredits all the stuff he can prove, but then again is he really trying to persuade anyone or just offering what he researched and letting you form your own opinion? At least his body language doesn’t say i am a bloody liar all the time…
Oh and Zab.
Are you a child trapped in a man’s body?
Is all you ever do offending people?
What’s the point? Can you engage in a discussion without imposing your point of view onto others and going psycho whenever someone offers an alternative theory?
Or do you just do that to me or all foreigners or something? I didn’t say you are satan, did i?
23 is my new favorite T-Nation poster. Anybody who is as fucking psycho as he is has GOT to be cool as shit.
Major Props to Vegita, too. Holy SHIT that was a funny fucking post! I was giggling like a damn idiot, and I got some funny looks from my coworkers while trying to not fall off my chair. Well done, buddy!
This thread is gold. Please 23, you gotta keep it going, man! Sniff some fucking glue or something and post some more!
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
23 is my new favorite T-Nation poster. Anybody who is as fucking psycho as he is has GOT to be cool as shit.
Major Props to Vegita, too. Holy SHIT that was a funny fucking post! I was giggling like a damn idiot, and I got some funny looks from my coworkers while trying to not fall off my chair. Well done, buddy!
This thread is gold. Please 23, you gotta keep it going, man! Sniff some fucking glue or something and post some more![/quote]
Man thanks your opinion is really fucking important to me. I let the other reaers be the judge on who is discussing the stuff at hand and who is the psycho that is just going bezerk because he can’t make a point.
Oh by the way you can you provide some free glue? You sound like it would be good for you to spear some, you know. That way you wouldn’t sniff it all yourself and then maybe you could use your brain again. Wouldn’t that be great? Your co-workers would love that, too, i bet.
[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
I said Adam Keynes and the both of you didn’t even see that. You either didn’t read the post or you don’t have a clue about economics at all. Might be both. But how can you say this and that is right or wrong when you talk about real issues like cost of war and stuff. How can one have a political opinion based on thin air like that? You guys have answers to everything so enlighten me pls.[/quote]
These guys will deny Thomas Jefferson existed long before they would answer your questions. Hell, getting a straight answer from guys like Prof X or Vroom is a major accomplishment!
Then again: Maybe they’ve been ‘assigned’ here by the Feds, to laugh at conspiracy theorists. One wonders about some of these guys…
[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
Oh and Zab.
Are you a child trapped in a man’s body?
Is all you ever do offending people?
What’s the point? Can you engage in a discussion without imposing your point of view onto others and going psycho whenever someone offers an alternative theory?
Or do you just do that to me or all foreigners or something? I didn’t say you are satan, did i?[/quote]
23, this whole thread is purely for the humor value. I thought you understood that.
23andmoron,
Dude you really take this stuff seriously. I’m cool with reading about this stuff and while I won’t come right out and say I am 100% positive that any conspiracy theory is ficticious, I will make fun of them and have a good time with them. The funny thing about conspiracy theorists is that it benefits themselves for the theories they talk about to be true. It gives them a feeling of superiority equal or even greater to that or the subjects in the conspiracy theory itself.
When an individual reads up on and believes in one of these, they get the feeling of uncovering a massive network of secretive individuals and how great thier detective skills or at last thier ability to research stuff is. Trust me, I have believed myself in many of these theories including much of Ickies work.
The simple fact is that no matter what, unless aliens land, make contact, and it becomes general public knowledge, no one can ever be certain, unless they themselves have a close encounter. Likewise with the illuminati, unless one has first hand evidence of it’s existence, then all is merely heresay.
My father and grandfather were both in the freemason orginazation. My father is no longer a member and from what I can tell, has had no attempts on his life, nor mentioned anything to me about the orginazation being a satanic cult. He said they had secrets, but laughed and said it’s as complex as a college fraternaty orginazations. A secret handshake and some other meaningless bullshit.
So while I didn’t necessarily give you the time of the day on this thread, don’t assume that i’m not just as well researched as you are on these matters. If I think it’s silly, it’s my right to think that.
V
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
23andbeginner wrote:
Oh and Zab.
Are you a child trapped in a man’s body?
Is all you ever do offending people?
What’s the point? Can you engage in a discussion without imposing your point of view onto others and going psycho whenever someone offers an alternative theory?
Or do you just do that to me or all foreigners or something? I didn’t say you are satan, did i?
23, this whole thread is purely for the humor value. I thought you understood that.[/quote]
So you truly believe the Federal Bank is a government institution, or the world bank or european central bank for that matter? You know some things are not science fiction. We really do have a fractional reserve system and so do you. Banks really lend out 10 times more money then they have on deposit. They get it from a private bank and so does the government. Who gave that bank this money? Well the government lets them issue paper money. How is it backed. It used to be gold but today it is really backed by nothing at all. If you save yourself about 200 pages of blabla you eventually get down to the fact, that the government lets them print money and then borrows this money. Strange enough. This is called national debth. You really pay for the interest. Everyone does. Shouldn’t this interest benefit America? In fact every interest ever paid on anything goes right in the pocket of a couple of extremely powerful people. These guys are the same people that happen to own organisations which in turn own most of the stock values. In essence they own you. The own the big companies that make millions and still get rid of jobs because there is a risk other companies they own, too, could buy those. Is it not so? Explain how if i am wrong. Let’s not get into the Illuminati stuff just yet. Can you explain how it works if it doesn’t work like that. It’s really easy, too. Takes you about 20 minutes on google and you will say no listen, this is how it works: … and then i’ll show you that it doesn’t work like that and then we can play this for about 30 posts and then eventually you will realize it is simply the truth. That’s what all the rubbish they print and say themselves boils down to. This is key to all national political issues in every industrial state. I offer to strip naked and post a whole beer bottle up my ass holding a sign ZAB is my master or whatever you want if it undoubtebly turns out, that i am incorrect by new years eve just for giggles. If not i shall be banned from this forum for life and you know how valuable this site is for someone that is doing some training.
And i can assure you i never had anything besides my own shit up my ass and i wouldn’t like a beer bottle. So what do you say?
[quote]Vegita wrote:
23andmoron,
Dude you really take this stuff seriously. I’m cool with reading about this stuff and while I won’t come right out and say I am 100% positive that any conspiracy theory is ficticious, I will make fun of them and have a good time with them.
What? Yuu don’t know for sure but you still make fun of it? Are you the type of guy that laughs at someone falling down some stairs and breaking their neck?
The funny thing about conspiracy theorists is that it benefits themselves for the theories they talk about to be true. It gives them a feeling of superiority equal or even greater to that or the subjects in the conspiracy theory itself.
I know. That is in fact the problem there is a billion good reasons why they are called conspiracy theories. But what if one is actually correct? And I am not talking about the lizards here. You wouldn’t know, would you?
When an individual reads up on and believes in one of these, they get the feeling of uncovering a massive network of secretive individuals and how great thier detective skills or at last thier ability to research stuff is.
Hmm or they stay sceptical and dig deeper. See the movie in plane sight for example made me go to my parents and show them what “really” happend on 9/11 then i further researched it and it turns out alot of the points ar bogus. You can never just believe what you see or feel or hear. An opinion is just as valuable as the time you put in acquiring it.
Trust me, I have believed myself in many of these theories including much of Ickies work.
Take the bloodline thing. It really doesn’t work the way he portrays it but does that discredit his work on symbolism and some other fantastic stuff he put out like the best explanatrion of what genetics really are? I don’t really think it does. Fits what is being discovered more and more and even written about on this site on the topic of sports and genetics. Looks like he has it spot down. Did you ever say something that turned out to be wrong? I bet you never did right? Well maybe we shouldn’t expect anyone to give us all the answers. We need to get rid of that tv mentality and look at what we can get our hands on to form an honest opinion and maybe hold the laughter as long as we don’t know where the fault in logic or whatever is.
You laugh at the idea that 9/11 was an inside job. Did you ever take a stop watch and time how long it takes the north tower to fall? It falls faster than it should, dosn’t it? What about building 7? Care to explain any of those two. I sure can’t. Everything i learned miserable failed on this.
The simple fact is that no matter what, unless aliens land, make contact, and it becomes general public knowledge, no one can ever be certain, unless they themselves have a close encounter.
Fair enough. I didn’t have one but i didn’t claim aliens were here did i?
Likewise with the illuminati, unless one has first hand evidence of it’s existence, then all is merely heresay.
Weishaupt existed. That is not science fiction. I happen to know someone majoring in history and he told me there is tons of evidence they did exist at some point of time. Skull and Bones is real. The Bilderbergs are real, David Icke has the mother lodge of the Scottish right of freemasonry on one of his videos. Most masons don’t even know something like that exists.
My father and grandfather were both in the freemason orginazation.
In which one? That is very important as most of them offer only 3 degrees and noone ever said that any of these were the satanic root or anything like that. They all say most are very ignorant of what the freemasons are all about.
My father is no longer a member and from what I can tell, has had no attempts on his life, nor mentioned anything to me about the orginazation being a satanic cult.
If he had been a 33rd degree mason maybe they would have killed him. Was he?
He said they had secrets, but laughed and said it’s as complex as a college fraternaty orginazations.
The pyramid structure (the same one that is on the dollar bill, just like the owl (Bilderberg sign) and i got one here i know it’s on there and you do too) perfectly explains why that is so, doesn’t it? There might be a chance it would work that way.
A secret handshake and some other meaningless bullshit.
They do the longhorn stuff too? lol
So while I didn’t necessarily give you the time of the day on this thread, don’t assume that i’m not just as well researched as you are on these matters.
On the money issue? I doubt it. For someone who claims to know Ickes work very well you are sure very ignorant of how he says the masons work.
If I think it’s silly, it’s my right to think that.
Year sure. I just want to know why people think what they think. There is no point in a post saying he is black and then another guy coming on and say no he is white if neither can prove any of that. Noones opinion is going to change at all. Noone learns anything. If you are right, then why not show me what is wrong with what i am saying. If i said 3 sets o 10 are just as good as 10 of 3 for anybody at all times, would you say: you are an idiot and move on or at least point out CT’s or CW’s work on that or even rephrase what you know about it and point at important sstuff i should read like page so and so in supertrain? If you fall in the first category then i think there is really no point there except maybe feeling superior yourself. In essence exactly what you said above.
V[/quote]
[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
23andbeginner wrote:
Oh and Zab.
Are you a child trapped in a man’s body?
Is all you ever do offending people?
What’s the point? Can you engage in a discussion without imposing your point of view onto others and going psycho whenever someone offers an alternative theory?
Or do you just do that to me or all foreigners or something? I didn’t say you are satan, did i?
23, this whole thread is purely for the humor value. I thought you understood that.
So you truly believe the Federal Bank is a government institution, or the world bank or european central bank for that matter? You know some things are not science fiction. We really do have a fractional reserve system and so do you. Banks really lend out 10 times more money then they have on deposit. They get it from a private bank and so does the government. Who gave that bank this money? Well the government lets them issue paper money. How is it backed. It used to be gold but today it is really backed by nothing at all. If you save yourself about 200 pages of blabla you eventually get down to the fact, that the government lets them print money and then borrows this money. Strange enough. This is called national debth. You really pay for the interest. Everyone does. Shouldn’t this interest benefit America? In fact every interest ever paid on anything goes right in the pocket of a couple of extremely powerful people. These guys are the same people that happen to own organisations which in turn own most of the stock values. In essence they own you. The own the big companies that make millions and still get rid of jobs because there is a risk other companies they own, too, could buy those. Is it not so? Explain how if i am wrong. Let’s not get into the Illuminati stuff just yet. Can you explain how it works if it doesn’t work like that. It’s really easy, too. Takes you about 20 minutes on google and you will say no listen, this is how it works: … and then i’ll show you that it doesn’t work like that and then we can play this for about 30 posts and then eventually you will realize it is simply the truth. That’s what all the rubbish they print and say themselves boils down to. This is key to all national political issues in every industrial state. I offer to strip naked and post a whole beer bottle up my ass holding a sign ZAB is my master or whatever you want if it undoubtebly turns out, that i am incorrect by new years eve just for giggles. If not i shall be banned from this forum for life and you know how valuable this site is for someone that is doing some training.
And i can assure you i never had anything besides my own shit up my ass and i wouldn’t like a beer bottle. So what do you say?
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I am getting a headache reading your post. Please try to use paragraphs.
I understand how banks work, I understand why we got rid of the gold standard.
What is your point?
[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
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You laugh at the idea that 9/11 was an inside job. Did you ever take a stop watch and time how long it takes the north tower to fall? It falls faster than it should, dosn’t it? What about building 7? Care to explain any of those two. I sure can’t. Everything i learned miserable failed on this.
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How fast should the towers have fallen?
How do you know?
Why did they fall at speeds other than what the “should have”?
Please enlighten me.