All governments throughout history have the same shape to them - nothing more than a bunch of influential men who agree to share power with each other.[/quote]
“We can’t know anything about human nature.”
“If there’s one thing we can learn from history, influential men will agree to share power with each other and try and oppress us - always, always, always.”
Two Lifticuses in one! Bonus points: it’s in the same thread! [/quote]
LOL…I always wonder how some people get to the place that he’s at. What in God’s name happened to them in their life to give them such an odd take on things?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What if there is no ideal when it comes to dominating mankind?[/quote]
Ignores human nature.[/quote]
You don’t know what human nature is.
No one does.[/quote]
Well, then why did you repeatedly say that homosexuality is against human nature last year during one of the myriad threads about gays and marriage on here?[/quote]
No. That wasn’t me. I don’t even typically go into those stupid threads unless it is to harass the anti-homo people.
Anyway, human nature cannot be defined. It is a contrived concept to try to understand human action. Humans do what their biology and environment allow them to do and that is all we can effectively say about it.
All governments throughout history have the same shape to them - nothing more than a bunch of influential men who agree to share power with each other.[/quote]
“We can’t know anything about human nature.”
“If there’s one thing we can learn from history, influential men will agree to share power with each other and try and oppress us - always, always, always.”
Two Lifticuses in one! Bonus points: it’s in the same thread! [/quote]
LOL…I always wonder how some people get to the place that he’s at. What in God’s name happened to them in their life to give them such an odd take on things?[/quote]
Who is to say that is human nature for strong people to oppress weak people?
That is kind of a bleak and self defeating statement, dontchathink?
All governments throughout history have the same shape to them - nothing more than a bunch of influential men who agree to share power with each other.[/quote]
“We can’t know anything about human nature.”
“If there’s one thing we can learn from history, influential men will agree to share power with each other and try and oppress us - always, always, always.”
Two Lifticuses in one! Bonus points: it’s in the same thread! [/quote]
Who is to say that is human nature for strong people to oppress weak people?[/quote]
Your definition of “oppress” is awfully broad. And this is one of the things that makes you sound koo koo.
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It’s subjective. So what?
The point is that governments are not voluntary and that is why they are incompatible with civilization.[/quote]
LOL…Lifty, you can’t dismiss it as being “subjective” because that’s the whole point. Some people get up every day put on their tin foil hat’s and assume that the government is trying to get them. Every mailman, garbage man and neighbor is suspect. Some are afraid to go out of the house for fear that the men in black will take them away.
Now I’m not saying that this is you - But there are degrees of paranoia.
So you can’t say it’s "subjective’ and then move on. I think you have a problem with authority in general and it’s most likely something for a very good Psychiatrist to figure out. And I don’t mean that as an insult. I’m sure you function quite well in your every day life. But you’ve got a real problem when it comes to the government and I would absolutely love to know where it started.
I’ll take a shot: A benevolent despot with an assassination every few years.
On a slightly more serious note: Socrates (or it was Plato’s, hard to distinguish the two) idea of ideal government was interesting. Rule by philosophers. Of course, corruption would eventually come into that but that’s always true. It’s just a matter of when and how much.
Who is to say that is human nature for strong people to oppress weak people?[/quote]
Your definition of “oppress” is awfully broad. And this is one of the things that makes you sound koo koo.
[/quote]
It’s subjective. So what?
The point is that governments are not voluntary and that is why they are incompatible with civilization.[/quote]
LOL…Lifty, you can’t dismiss it as being “subjective” because that’s the whole point. Some people get up every day put on their tin foil hat’s and assume that the government is trying to get them. Every mailman, garbage man and neighbor is suspect. Some are afraid to go out of the house for fear that the men in black will take them away.
Now I’m not saying that this is you - But there are degrees of paranoia.
So you can’t say it’s "subjective’ and then move on. I think you have a problem with authority in general and it’s most likely something for a very good Psychiatrist to figure out. And I don’t mean that as an insult. I’m sure you function quite well in your every day life. But you’ve got a real problem when it comes to the government and I would absolutely love to know where it started.[/quote]
I might feel enslaved by having to pay 40% of my income to taxes but you are okay with it.
I do have a problem with authority. Where does it come from?
Who is to say that is human nature for strong people to oppress weak people?[/quote]
Your definition of “oppress” is awfully broad. And this is one of the things that makes you sound koo koo.
[/quote]
It’s subjective. So what?
The point is that governments are not voluntary and that is why they are incompatible with civilization.[/quote]
LOL…Lifty, you can’t dismiss it as being “subjective” because that’s the whole point. Some people get up every day put on their tin foil hat’s and assume that the government is trying to get them. Every mailman, garbage man and neighbor is suspect. Some are afraid to go out of the house for fear that the men in black will take them away.
Now I’m not saying that this is you - But there are degrees of paranoia.
So you can’t say it’s "subjective’ and then move on. I think you have a problem with authority in general and it’s most likely something for a very good Psychiatrist to figure out. And I don’t mean that as an insult. I’m sure you function quite well in your every day life. But you’ve got a real problem when it comes to the government and I would absolutely love to know where it started.[/quote]
I might feel enslaved by having to pay 40% of my income to taxes but you are okay with it.
I do have a problem with authority. Where does it come from?
[/quote]
Yeah, you do have a problem with authority and I am very curious about that. Were you raised in a large family or small? Did you have to take a lot of orders as a child or were you left to fend for yourself? I’d really like to know why you think the way you. And please don’t think I’m making fun of you, not at all. We all behave certain ways in part because of how we are raised. You know the old nurture vs nature debate.
I was raised in a large family and my father was military so I’m used to living with certain rules.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I feel like this country is turning into the biggest motherfucker in a prison, the one that a lot of the smaller guys with loads of self-confidence want to take a run at just to see what happens, knowing that if they get lucky and succeed they’re the new top dog.[/quote]
