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THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.

The secret training took place primarily at three camps–in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak–and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria’s GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million “exploitable items” captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S.

intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.

The discovery of the information on jihadist training camps in Iraq would seem to have two major consequences: It exposes the flawed assumptions of the experts and U.S. intelligence officials who told us for years that a secularist like Saddam Hussein would never work with Islamic radicals, any more than such jihadists would work with an infidel like the Iraqi dictator. It also reminds us that valuable information remains buried in the mountain of documents recovered in Afghanistan and Iraq over the past four years.

I say “Kill 'em where they breed.”

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Salman Pak / Al Salman
Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a peninsula caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately five kilometers (km) from the arch located in the town of Salman Pak. The facility area comprised more than 20 square km, and might have been known as a farmers (or agricultural) experimentation center. The peninsula was fenced off and patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside and to the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the larger built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other for his half-brother, Barazan al-Tikriti. A main paved road ran through the center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula. [GulfLINK]

Plans were made in the mid-1980’s to develop the Salman Pak site into a secure biological warfare research facility. Dr Rihab Taha, head of a small biological weapons research team, continued to work with her team at al-Muthanna until 1987 when it moved to Salman Pak, which was under the control of the Directorate of General Intelligence.

Located at the facility are several buildings. The probable main research building at the site is a modern building, composed of twenty four rooms, housing a major BW research facility. Using current technology the research area alone had sufficient floor space to accommodate several continuous-flow or batch fermenters that could produce daily sufficient anthrax bacteria to lethally assault hundreds of square kilometers. Adjacent to the research building is a storage area which contains four munitions type storage bunkers with lightning arrestors. Two of these bunkers have facilities for storage of temperature sensitive biological material. Approximately a mile down the road from the research area is a complex US intelligence believed to be an engineering area. One building in this complex was thought to contain a fermentation pilot plant capable of scale up production of BW agents. A construction project comprising several buildings was begun in early 1989 adjacent to the engineering area, and was near completion in 1990. This new complex was assessed as a pharmaceutical production plant. As such, this facility would have an extensive capability for biological agent production. [GulfLINK]

Salman Pak, located 30-40 km SE of Baghdad, engaged in laboratory scale research on Anthrax, Botulinum toxin, Clostridium, perfringens (gas gangrene), mycotoxins, aflatoxins, and Ricin. Researchers at this site carried out toxicity evaluations of these agents and examined their growth characteristics and survivability.

Equipment-moving trucks and refrigerated trucks were observed at the Salman Pak BW facility prior to the onset of bombing, suggesting that Iraq was moving equipment or material into or out of the facility. Information obtained after the conflict revealed that Iraq had moved BW agent production equipment from Salman Pak to the Al Hakam suspect BW facility.

The Qadisiya State Establishment [aka Al-Qadsia], involved in the program to produce Al Hussein class missiles, is apparently located nearby, along with the Al-Yarmouk facility which according to some reports was associated with the chemical munitions program [and which other reports place at Yusufiyah.

Iraq told UN inspectors that Salman Pak was an anti-terror training camp for Iraqi special forces. However, two defectors from Iraqi intelligence stated that they had worked for several years at the secret Iraqi government camp, which had trained Islamic terrorists in rotations of five or six months since 1995. Training activities including simulated hijackings carried out in an airplane fuselage [said to be a Boeing 707] at the camp. The camp is divided into distinct sections. On one side of the camp young, Iraqis who were members of Fedayeen Saddam are trained in espionage, assassination techniques and sabotage. The Islamic militants trained on the other side of the camp, in an area separated by a small lake, trees and barbed wire. The militants reportedly spent time training, usually in groups of five or six, around the fuselage of the airplane. There were rarely more than 40 or 50 Islamic radicals in the camp at one time.

Yeah, no connection whatsoever…

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[quote]derek wrote:
Salman Pak / Al Salman
Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a peninsula caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately five kilometers (km) from the arch located in the town of Salman Pak. The facility area comprised more than 20 square km, and might have been known as a farmers (or agricultural) experimentation center. The peninsula was fenced off and patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside and to the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the larger built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other for his half-brother, Barazan al-Tikriti. A main paved road ran through the center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula. [GulfLINK]

Plans were made in the mid-1980’s to develop the Salman Pak site into a secure biological warfare research facility. Dr Rihab Taha, head of a small biological weapons research team, continued to work with her team at al-Muthanna until 1987 when it moved to Salman Pak, which was under the control of the Directorate of General Intelligence.

Located at the facility are several buildings. The probable main research building at the site is a modern building, composed of twenty four rooms, housing a major BW research facility. Using current technology the research area alone had sufficient floor space to accommodate several continuous-flow or batch fermenters that could produce daily sufficient anthrax bacteria to lethally assault hundreds of square kilometers. Adjacent to the research building is a storage area which contains four munitions type storage bunkers with lightning arrestors. Two of these bunkers have facilities for storage of temperature sensitive biological material. Approximately a mile down the road from the research area is a complex US intelligence believed to be an engineering area. One building in this complex was thought to contain a fermentation pilot plant capable of scale up production of BW agents. A construction project comprising several buildings was begun in early 1989 adjacent to the engineering area, and was near completion in 1990. This new complex was assessed as a pharmaceutical production plant. As such, this facility would have an extensive capability for biological agent production. [GulfLINK]

Salman Pak, located 30-40 km SE of Baghdad, engaged in laboratory scale research on Anthrax, Botulinum toxin, Clostridium, perfringens (gas gangrene), mycotoxins, aflatoxins, and Ricin. Researchers at this site carried out toxicity evaluations of these agents and examined their growth characteristics and survivability.

Equipment-moving trucks and refrigerated trucks were observed at the Salman Pak BW facility prior to the onset of bombing, suggesting that Iraq was moving equipment or material into or out of the facility. Information obtained after the conflict revealed that Iraq had moved BW agent production equipment from Salman Pak to the Al Hakam suspect BW facility.

The Qadisiya State Establishment [aka Al-Qadsia], involved in the program to produce Al Hussein class missiles, is apparently located nearby, along with the Al-Yarmouk facility which according to some reports was associated with the chemical munitions program [and which other reports place at Yusufiyah.

Iraq told UN inspectors that Salman Pak was an anti-terror training camp for Iraqi special forces. However, two defectors from Iraqi intelligence stated that they had worked for several years at the secret Iraqi government camp, which had trained Islamic terrorists in rotations of five or six months since 1995. Training activities including simulated hijackings carried out in an airplane fuselage [said to be a Boeing 707] at the camp. The camp is divided into distinct sections. On one side of the camp young, Iraqis who were members of Fedayeen Saddam are trained in espionage, assassination techniques and sabotage. The Islamic militants trained on the other side of the camp, in an area separated by a small lake, trees and barbed wire. The militants reportedly spent time training, usually in groups of five or six, around the fuselage of the airplane. There were rarely more than 40 or 50 Islamic radicals in the camp at one time.

Yeah, no connection whatsoever…[/quote]

No doubt Derek that there was a connection in Iraq. As there is a connection in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and on and on. You can say what you want about the Iraq invasion bringing the insurgents out of the woodwork, but they were in the woodwook to begin with.

If we don’t fight the battle and bring the dangers to the attention of the world, we are just letting the extremists work while we sleep. As in 9/11.

Mistakes were made no doubt, but we are getting a clearer picture what is and would have been in store for our future. At least we didn’t wait for 2 or 3 more 9/11s to take it to them.

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Oh I wish I had seen this thread earlier…

You all know I despise George II and his war, but compaing it to WWII is fucking laughable.

Japan was murdering and raping China, then turned on us and tried to wipe our fleet out…God, nothing fucking pisses me off more than people who bitch about the use of excessive force against an Imperial Japan that was part of one of the most horrific scenes in history.

I’m glad we nuked them. I’d have nuked four of their cities, just because…well, fuck’em. You want to play the game, here are the consequences.

I don’t feel bad for one motherfucker that died on the Japanese side…and it did save lives in the end.

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[quote]derek wrote:
THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.

The secret training took place primarily at three camps–in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak–and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria’s GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million “exploitable items” captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S.

intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.

The discovery of the information on jihadist training camps in Iraq would seem to have two major consequences: It exposes the flawed assumptions of the experts and U.S. intelligence officials who told us for years that a secularist like Saddam Hussein would never work with Islamic radicals, any more than such jihadists would work with an infidel like the Iraqi dictator. It also reminds us that valuable information remains buried in the mountain of documents recovered in Afghanistan and Iraq over the past four years.

I say “Kill 'em where they breed.”[/quote]

C’mon now, the Weekly Standard has as much credibility as The Socialist Worker.

Try again.

There were no proven links…at all. If there were, I’m sure they’d have been plastered all over FOXNEWS…and by the way, your President already said there was no connection, so stop with this bullshit.

This is a dead horse.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Oh I wish I had seen this thread earlier…

You all know I despise George II and his war, but compaing it to WWII is fucking laughable.

Japan was murdering and raping China, then turned on us and tried to wipe our fleet out…God, nothing fucking pisses me off more than people who bitch about the use of excessive force against an Imperial Japan that was part of one of the most horrific scenes in history.

I’m glad we nuked them. I’d have nuked four of their cities, just because…well, fuck’em. You want to play the game, here are the consequences.

I don’t feel bad for one motherfucker that died on the Japanese side…and it did save lives in the end.

[/quote]

What selective short memories these Euro-douches have. The Germans had nothing on the Japanese when it came to brutality.

Spot on Irish, fuck them all. Perhaps a nuke on the nukes of N. Korea and Iran. Just drop them and say “sorry, but fuck you”. Not mass collateral damage, just hit their plants.
We should surge with a 100,000 more if we could and shut everyone up.

Fuck em, what’s Wreckless and Lexy and others going to bash us?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
There were no proven links…at all. If there were, I’m sure they’d have been plastered all over FOXNEWS…and by the way, your President already said there was no connection, so stop with this bullshit.

This is a dead horse.[/quote]

Yeah, and I’ll tell the 11 US officials who confirmed it what you said.

I like this, everyone who agrees with you is right and everyone who disagrees with you is a liar.

Pretty safe when you argrue that way huh?

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[quote]olderguy wrote:
And had they found WMDs, people would have lined up to say we planted them and how easy it would have been to do so. I’m sure your theory on the matter would have been the latter.[/quote]

Such discussion would be purely conjectural.

But just to make one thing clear, I despise Saddam just as you do. I was pretty happy with the US response in the 1st Iraq war. Saddam was indeed a threat to American allies in the region. There’s some evidence that the US tacitly agreed to him invading Koweit, but let’s leave it at that.

The point on which there’s no doubt whatsoever is that the US sold Saddam WMD’s and continued doing so even after he ordered the gassing of the Kurds. That fact alone should have prompted the US population to speak up and hold the administration accountable. But nobody cared about the Kurds…

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Oh I wish I had seen this thread earlier…

You all know I despise George II and his war, but compaing it to WWII is fucking laughable.

Japan was murdering and raping China, then turned on us and tried to wipe our fleet out…God, nothing fucking pisses me off more than people who bitch about the use of excessive force against an Imperial Japan that was part of one of the most horrific scenes in history.

I’m glad we nuked them. I’d have nuked four of their cities, just because…well, fuck’em. You want to play the game, here are the consequences.

I don’t feel bad for one motherfucker that died on the Japanese side…and it did save lives in the end.

[/quote]

While we disagree on this war you certainly have the right perspective on WWII.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
olderguy wrote:
And had they found WMDs, people would have lined up to say we planted them and how easy it would have been to do so. I’m sure your theory on the matter would have been the latter.

Such discussion would be purely conjectural.

But just to make one thing clear, I despise Saddam just as you do. I was pretty happy with the US response in the 1st Iraq war. Saddam was indeed a threat to American allies in the region. There’s some evidence that the US tacitly agreed to him invading Koweit, but let’s leave it at that.

The point on which there’s no doubt whatsoever is that the US sold Saddam WMD’s and continued doing so even after he ordered the gassing of the Kurds. That fact alone should have prompted the US population to speak up and hold the administration accountable. But nobody cared about the Kurds…[/quote]

Prove this. I have heard this on the boards many times but have seen no evidence. All credible sources I have read indicate that the majority of the help given to Saddam was satellite intelligence during his war with Iran and it was only for a very short time.

Russia, Germany and France gave him far more military help that the US ever did.

It is possible the US gave him some help with his WMD programs but based on everything I have seen that mostly came from Russia in the Bio and Chem area and France and Germany in the Nuke area.

To pretend that the US was the only or primary supplier to Saddam is foolish yet people do it anyway.

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“I think if we were to do what Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Murtha are suggesting, all we will do is validate the Al Qaeda strategy,” the vice president told ABC News. “The Al Qaeda strategy is to break the will of the American people … try to persuade us to throw in the towel and come home, and then they win because we quit.”

At least someone speaks up for this country!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

At least someone speaks up for this country![/quote]

Yeah, but he’s rich, and white, and he sneers, and occasionally curses and shoots people, so what he says is probably either an outright lie, or a sponsored lie.
You should know this, it’s politics 101.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
derek wrote:
THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.

The secret training took place primarily at three camps–in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak–and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria’s GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million “exploitable items” captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S.

intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.

The discovery of the information on jihadist training camps in Iraq would seem to have two major consequences: It exposes the flawed assumptions of the experts and U.S. intelligence officials who told us for years that a secularist like Saddam Hussein would never work with Islamic radicals, any more than such jihadists would work with an infidel like the Iraqi dictator. It also reminds us that valuable information remains buried in the mountain of documents recovered in Afghanistan and Iraq over the past four years.

I say “Kill 'em where they breed.”

C’mon now, the Weekly Standard has as much credibility as The Socialist Worker.

Try again.

There were no proven links…at all. If there were, I’m sure they’d have been plastered all over FOXNEWS…and by the way, your President already said there was no connection, so stop with this bullshit.

This is a dead horse.[/quote]

saddam tapes, my friend.

Let me know if you want the links.

Thanks,

JeffR

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[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

At least someone speaks up for this country!

Yeah, but he’s rich, and white, and he sneers, and occasionally curses and shoots people, so what he says is probably either an outright lie, or a sponsored lie.
You should know this, it’s politics 101.[/quote]

Cunn, HH:

I wonder if you guys could find a link to the edwards/Cheney debate during the 2004 election.

That was one of the most dominating performances of any public official I have ever seen.

Cheney makes the dems very nervous. Rightly so.

JeffR

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Oh I wish I had seen this thread earlier…

You all know I despise George II and his war, but compaing it to WWII is fucking laughable.

Japan was murdering and raping China, then turned on us and tried to wipe our fleet out…God, nothing fucking pisses me off more than people who bitch about the use of excessive force against an Imperial Japan that was part of one of the most horrific scenes in history.

I’m glad we nuked them. I’d have nuked four of their cities, just because…well, fuck’em. You want to play the game, here are the consequences.

I don’t feel bad for one motherfucker that died on the Japanese side…and it did save lives in the end.

[/quote]

Abso-and-fucking-lutely!!

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Oh I wish I had seen this thread earlier…

You all know I despise George II and his war, but compaing it to WWII is fucking laughable.

Japan was murdering and raping China, then turned on us and tried to wipe our fleet out…God, nothing fucking pisses me off more than people who bitch about the use of excessive force against an Imperial Japan that was part of one of the most horrific scenes in history.

I’m glad we nuked them. I’d have nuked four of their cities, just because…well, fuck’em. You want to play the game, here are the consequences.

I don’t feel bad for one motherfucker that died on the Japanese side…and it did save lives in the end.

[/quote]

Just when I was in danger of losing interest in the euro douche whining…this gets posted and I feel all better again.
Since this thread began with arguments about how to “morally” end a war (?)- this comment kind of brings it full circle. For me at least.

Small picture:If you start a fight with someone - there is no scripted ending. It’s a possibility that person might just keep beating your head against the pavement until they kill you. Moral of the story-dont start fights.
Bigger picture: If you attack a country (say Pearl Harbor or Sept 11) then there is the distinct possibility that country might just decide to fuck you up on a grand scale. It might just decide to topple your piss ant government (Iraq, Afghanistan).It might just decide to end the fight AND to send a message to the world at the same time.

Right Hiroshima? Right Nagasaki?
Did everyone see that big orange boom that used to be 140,000 of the motherfuckers that attacked us? Does everyone understand it’s better NOT to fucking attack us? Good.

It sure worked as a nice deterrent for a long time.

I don’t recall another country attacking the US like that again until Sepember 11 - maybe it’s time to remind these clowns we will pull the BIG fucking trigger on them too?

And of course it wasn’t a country that did 9/11 or said country would be a smoldering memory and all the map makers could go ahead and just blank out whatever it was before.

As for all the anti-Americanism from the euro-douches…yawn. Yeah uh, we CAUSE all the attacks on us and we CAUSE the world to hate us etc etc.

Whatever you say oh enlightened ones. Better learn arabic because it wont be the USA that ends up converting to Sharia law - it will be you pussies who get manhandled-again.

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Suppose you’re a dad of a son who died in conquering Japan. President Truman says to you: “We had the means to end the war but didn’t use it, because of our concern for Japanese innocents. Sorry your son is dead.”

Would you spit in his face? I would.

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[quote]david dunne wrote:
Right Hiroshima? Right Nagasaki?
Did everyone see that big orange boom that used to be 140,000 of the motherfuckers that attacked us? Does everyone understand it’s better NOT to fucking attack us? Good.

It sure worked as a nice deterrent for a long time.

I don’t recall another country attacking the US like that again until Sepember 11 - maybe it’s time to remind these clowns we will pull the BIG fucking trigger on them too?

And of course it wasn’t a country that did 9/11 or said country would be a smoldering memory and all the map makers could go ahead and just blank out whatever it was before.

As for all the anti-Americanism from the euro-douches…yawn. Yeah uh, we CAUSE all the attacks on us and we CAUSE the world to hate us etc etc.

Whatever you say oh enlightened ones. Better learn arabic because it wont be the USA that ends up converting to Sharia law - it will be you pussies who get manhandled-again.
[/quote]

I love you!

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Prove this. I have heard this on the boards many times but have seen no evidence[…]
It is possible the US gave him some help with his WMD programs but based on everything I have seen that mostly came from Russia in the Bio and Chem area and France and Germany in the Nuke area.
[/quote]

You start by demanding proof and then acknowledge to the fact that you gave him weapons?

Nowhere in my post does it say that the US was the only one supporting Saddam. The revolution in Iran bothered a lot of people.

But here’s somewhere you could start to convince yourself once and for all:

http://www.rense.com/general29/wesold.htm

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[quote]david dunne wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Oh I wish I had seen this thread earlier…

You all know I despise George II and his war, but compaing it to WWII is fucking laughable.

Japan was murdering and raping China, then turned on us and tried to wipe our fleet out…God, nothing fucking pisses me off more than people who bitch about the use of excessive force against an Imperial Japan that was part of one of the most horrific scenes in history.

I’m glad we nuked them. I’d have nuked four of their cities, just because…well, fuck’em. You want to play the game, here are the consequences.

I don’t feel bad for one motherfucker that died on the Japanese side…and it did save lives in the end.

Just when I was in danger of losing interest in the euro douche whining…this gets posted and I feel all better again.
Since this thread began with arguments about how to “morally” end a war (?)- this comment kind of brings it full circle. For me at least.

Small picture:If you start a fight with someone - there is no scripted ending. It’s a possibility that person might just keep beating your head against the pavement until they kill you. Moral of the story-dont start fights.
Bigger picture: If you attack a country (say Pearl Harbor or Sept 11) then there is the distinct possibility that country might just decide to fuck you up on a grand scale. It might just decide to topple your piss ant government (Iraq, Afghanistan).It might just decide to end the fight AND to send a message to the world at the same time.

Right Hiroshima? Right Nagasaki?
Did everyone see that big orange boom that used to be 140,000 of the motherfuckers that attacked us? Does everyone understand it’s better NOT to fucking attack us? Good.

It sure worked as a nice deterrent for a long time.

I don’t recall another country attacking the US like that again until Sepember 11 - maybe it’s time to remind these clowns we will pull the BIG fucking trigger on them too?

And of course it wasn’t a country that did 9/11 or said country would be a smoldering memory and all the map makers could go ahead and just blank out whatever it was before.

As for all the anti-Americanism from the euro-douches…yawn. Yeah uh, we CAUSE all the attacks on us and we CAUSE the world to hate us etc etc.

Whatever you say oh enlightened ones. Better learn arabic because it wont be the USA that ends up converting to Sharia law - it will be you pussies who get manhandled-again.
[/quote]

Great post David. These assholes don’t get it that they would be doing the same thing if they could.

Great statement about their countries reverting to Shia law. I speak with Brits and they have told me that if the Muslims have done anything, it was unite the rest of the country against them. If you are Chinese, Paki, Indian, you are AOK as long as you arent’t Muslim.

I think if more Americans had a front row seat for 9/11 as I did, they would try to see the bigger picture. Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, they are basically the same. Insurgents in Iraq are from everyone of those countries just to name a few.

It’s not about Iraq as everyone would like to make it out to be.

Like you say, they have bombed our embassies overseas, WTC twice, fuck em. It’s time we take it to them and Iraq was a nice place to start. Not the best planning I’ll admit, but that can change. Let’s hope we don’t let them have the last laugh.

Thanks for the post.