America KNOW thy enemy !!!!

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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Its time America united. Stop all this bashing, bickering, and get down to brass tacks, one sideness, and work together as one to combat this terorism. We have to show these terorists we are United…
And just try anything. We have to stop showing we are a weak and divded country. For the threat is more real than ever…And even Senator Tom Das
chle is realizing this…This is VERY serious!!!

This I just found on the Drudge Report:
Taken form the South Dakota Black Hills Newspaper…

Daschle concerned about ‘sobering’ terror briefing

BY DONNA SMITH, Black Hills Pioneer July 09, 2004

SPEARFISH – Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said Thursday that he was very concerned about homeland security issues in the face of what he called the most sobering terror report he had heard recently.

The United States is tightening security in the face of a steady stream of intelligence indicating an attack aimed at disrupting elections, the White House said Thursday.
The Department of Homeland Security is addressing the threat and has efforts underway to ‘‘ramp up security,’’ White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Thursday.
“It is absolutely essential for the U.S. Senate to turn its attention to what we can do to make America safe,” Daschle said.
Of particular concern are the nation’s borders and ports, Daschle said, and there are security issues unresolved as the homeland security appropriations are “hung up” in the Senate.
Asked if the timing of the terror concerns might be aimed at stealing political thunder from the announcement of John Edwards as the democratic vice presidential candidate, Daschle replied, “The report is so sobering and so serious that I cannot bring myself to believe anyone in this administration would use this for political purposes.”
Daschle said the most recent terror briefing was the second this week and contained information that there is a higher threat than there has been at any time since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

America better wake up…Know they enemy…

Joe

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Never underestimate your enemy(opponent). Study them and learn their strengths and weaknesses.

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Joe, I think you are going in the wrong direction… trying to force everyone to share the same common viewpoint. I wasted tons of breath in your other thread about this topic if you care to read it.

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Dashle’s a chump and is going to get his ass handed to him by Thune in November…

that is all.

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“Stop all this bashing, bickering, and get down to brass tacks, one sideness”

So you want everyone to be a singlesided idiot? Continue watching Fox news, chump.

“We have to show these terrorists that we are United…”

What terrorists? The ones in Iraq with uranium and weapons of mass destruction? Way to go. If Cheney’s foaming face yelling about bullsh%t ties between Saddam and Al Quaeda without any evidence is good enough for you - go ahead. But don’t expect everyone to go off the cliff like a herd of cattle. Honestly, Bush is a moron and a puppet to his dad and the party who f%cked up the country. He can’t take a leak without the Rumsfeld, Rove and Ashcroft. But so many retards still vote for him because he’s a born-again cretin and against abortion. As if going to church and strictening abortion laws is the governments only responsibility. Get a life.

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Looks like this plea for everyone to come together isn’t really striking a chord yet.

I hope Joe realizes that the GOP currently dominates all three branches of government, and regularly rub the noses of the Democrats in Congress in the s–t.

I watch C-SPAN all the time, and the GOP is not exactly the party of bi-partisanship and compromise. They are strong-arming the Democrats at every turn, particularly in the House. It can be mean and ugly, and the power is flowing in one direction, on most issues.

It seems like moderate Republicans are a dying breed these days… too bad! The party is dominated by the likes of DeLay, Frist and Santorum. These guys hate the left. I mean lierally hating to the point that they would like to destroy the Democratic party. I think that is over the top and scary.

I have a hunch that this kind of extremism is going to start to go out of style with the public soon, and that some balance is going to come back (that is, Democrats will regain a lot of seats in Congress). I think that heavy handed tactics among some of the hardliners will turn out to be detrimental.

A lot of the animosity you hear from Democrats is due to the stiff-arming they’ve been getting over the last few years. The hardliners in the GOP been running roughshod (rather than bi-partisan) and the GOP often hasn’t played by the rules in Congress.

As far as Bush, his expansion of the powers of the executive branch has been compared to the role of the executive branch in the old Soviet Union. You think that’s good???

Even if it makes you Republican guys temporarily happy because “your side’s winning” I don’t think a one-party government where all the checks and balances have been removed is healthy for America. Even “the 4th Estate”- the mass media, up until very recently was basically a PR machine for the administration.

I hope that explains some of the frustration…

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I’ll have a sense of humor about this issue and the “startling new intelligence”. The report is outdated in fact about 4 yrs too late. The attack on the election was actually a subtle attack on the election process. Now if the credit is going to be given to a terrorist group (since muslims are the avenue of blame) then some brave american beter stand up issed off and take back the credit for messing up the election process ala 2000 election season.

personally I am not bothered because my nation and people were overthrown by the United States yrs ago. i guess things do come around full-circle if we wait around to notice it.

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the terorists are Al Queda…That is the terorists that Senator Daschle is talking about. As well as I am. That is who our enemy is. That is the enemy we need to know, study, and realize…For they are here in the US…

taken from terorism files.org: Arabs who fought in Afghanistan against the Soviet invasion. Helped finance, recruit, transport, and train Sunni Islamic extremists for the Afghan resistance. Current goal is to establish a pan-Islamic Caliphate throughout the world by working with allied Islamic extremist groups to overthrow regimes it deems “non-Islamic” and expelling Westerners and non-Muslims from Muslim countries. Issued statement under banner of “the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders” in February 1998, saying it was the duty of all Muslims to kill US citizens–civilian or military–and their allies everywhere.

Plotted to carry out terrorist operations against US and Israeli tourists visiting Jordan for millennial celebrations. (Jordanian authorities thwarted the planned attacks and put 28 suspects on trial.) Conducted the bombings in August 1998 of the US Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, that killed at least 301 persons and injured more than 5,000 others. Claims to have shot down US helicopters and killed US servicemen in Somalia in 1993 and to have conducted three bombings that targeted US troops in Aden, Yemen, in December 1992. Linked to the following plans that were not carried out: to assassinate Pope John Paul II during his visit to Manila in late 1994, simultaneous bombings of the US and Israeli Embassies in Manila and other Asian capitals in late 1994, the midair bombing of a dozen US trans-Pacific flights in 1995, and to kill President Clinton during a visit to the Philippines in early 1995. Continues to train, finance, and provide logistic support to terrorist groups in support of these goals.

Strength
May have several hundred to several thousand members. Also serves as a focal point or umbrella organization for a worldwide network that includes many Sunni Islamic extremist groups such as Egyptian Islamic Jihad, some members of al-Gama’at al-Islamiyya, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, and the Harakat ul-Mujahidin.

Location/Area of Operation
Al-Qaida has a worldwide reach, has cells in a number of countries, and is reinforced by its ties to Sunni extremist networks. Bin Ladin and his key lieutenants reside in Afghanistan, and the group maintains terrorist training camps there.

External Aid
Bin Ladin, son of a billionaire Saudi family, is said to have inherited approximately $300 million that he uses to finance the group. Al-Qaida also maintains moneymaking front organizations, solicits donations from like-minded supporters, and illicitly siphons funds from donations to Muslim charitable organizations.

He is also suspected of helping to set up Islamic training centres to prepare soldiers to fight in Chechnya and other parts of the former Soviet Union.

Their rallying cry is the liberation of Islam’s three holiest places - Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem.

And back in 1996 Osama Bin Laden INDIVIDUAL TERRORISTS
Declaration of Jihad by Osama Bin Laden against the US - August 23, 1996

DECLARATION OF WAR
AGAINST THE AMERICANS OCCUPYING THE LAND OF THE TWO HOLY PLACES

(EXPEL THE INFIDELS FROM THE ARAB PENINSULA)

A MESSAGE FROM USAMA BIN MUHAMMAD BIN IN LADEN
TO HIS MUSLIM BRETHREN ALL OVER THE WORLD GENERALLY AND IN THE ARAB PENINSULA
SPECIFICALLY

You want to read something very scary read this 3 page document Bin Ladens Declaration of War against the US written in 1996…

http://www.terrorismfiles.org/
individuals/declaration_of_jihad1.
html

This is who our enemy is…

Joe

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Ahh here we go again…Iraq and Al Queda…No connection at all… well…let me see you refute this…And this is not from mewsmax either…

Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, & the 9-11 hijackers received assistance from Iraq.

Bill Clinton declared in Executive Order 13129 of July 4, 1999: I, William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States of America, find that the actions and policies of the Taliban in Afghanistan, in allowing territory under its control in Afghanistan to be used as a safe haven and base of operations for Usama Bin Laden and the al-Qaeda (sic) organization who have committed and threaten to continue to commit acts of violence against the United States and its nationals, constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the U.S., and hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.

On June 30, 2001 President George W. Bush continued the same Executive Order from Bill Clinton, using nearly identical language in a notice repeated here:

  1. On information and belief, Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and the hijackers also received material support and assistance from Iraq, by and through its officials, agents, and/or employees, to carry out terrorist attacks on the United States, including the September 11, 2001 attacks.

  2. In their February 23,1998 Fatwah, Bin Laden, and Al Qaeda expressly referenced the United States? ?continuing aggression? towards Iraq as one of their reasons for calling on all Muslims to kill Americans ?wherever and whenever? the are found:
    The best proof of this is the Americans? continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the [Arabian] Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless.

Bin Laden?s and Al Qaeda?s Fatwah also cited the alleged ?great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people? by the United States, as well as the United States alleged ?eagerness to destroy Iraq.?

  1. Bin Laden reportedly visited Baghdad for consultations in March 1998. Giovanni De Stefano, an international lawyer visiting Baghdad on business, had a chance encounter with Bin Laden in the lobby of the Al-Rashid Hotel, during which the two men introduced themselves and engaged in polite conversation. De Stefano did not, at the time, recognize Bin Laden?s name. Five months after the chance encounter, agents of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda attacked the American embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania.

  2. Between April 25 and May 1, 1998, two of Bin Laden?s senior military commanders, Muhammad Abu-Islam and Abdallah Qassim, reportedly visited Baghdad for discussions with Saddam Hussein?s son – Qusay Hussein – the ?czar? of Iraqi intelligence matters. Qusay Hussein?s participation in the meetings highlights the importance of the talks in both symbolic and practical terms. As a direct result of these meetings, Iraq reportedly made commitments to provide training, intelligence, clandestine Saudi border crossings, and weapons and explosives to support Al Qaeda.

  3. By mid-June, 1998, operatives of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda reportedly were at the al-Nasiriyah training camp in Iraq receiving instruction and training from Iraqi intelligence and military officials on reconnaissance and targeting American facilities and installations for terrorist attacks. Another group of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda operatives from Saudi Arabia reportedly were trained by intelligence officials in Iraq to smuggle weapons and explosives into Saudi Arabia, and, upon returning to Saudi Arabia, successfully smuggled weapons and explosives into that country. A third group of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda operatives reportedly received a month of sophisticated guerrilla operations training from Iraqi intelligence officials later in the Summer of 1998.

  4. Bin Laden reportedly sought to strengthen and reinforce the support he and Al Qaeda received from Iraq. In mid-July 1998, Bin Laden reportedly sent Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian co-founder of Al Qaeda, to Iraq to meet with senior Iraqi officials, including Iraqi vice president Taha Yassin Ramadan. The reported purpose of this meeting was to discuss and plan a joint strategy for a terrorist campaign against the United States. Iraqi officials reportedly pledged Iraq?s full support and cooperation on the condition that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda not incite the Iraqi Muslim Brotherhood, a radical Islamic organization, against the regime of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. Zawahiri reportedly toured a potential site for a new headquarters for Bin Laden and Al Qaeda near al-Fallujah in Iraq and observed training by Iraqi intelligence officials of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda operatives at al-Nasiriyah. In recognition of Bin Laden?s and Al Qaeda?s leadership role in the terrorist war against the United States, Iraqi officials allowed Zawahiri to assume formal command over the al-Nasiriyah training camp in the name of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

  5. By mid-November 1998, Saddam Hussein reportedly came to the conclusion (with the advice and prompting of his son and intelligence chief, Qusay), that a campaign of terrorist attacks against the United States, under the banner of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, was the most effective means of deflecting U.S. attempts to topple his regime.

  6. Shortly thereafter, Iraqi intelligence officials reportedly met with Bin Laden in Afghanistan. Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and Iraq reportedly agreed to join efforts in a detailed, coordinated plan for a protracted terrorist war against the United States. Iraq also reportedly agreed to provide Bin Laden and Al Qaeda with the assistance of an expert in chemical weapons, and Bin Laden reportedly agreed to hunt down Iraqi opposition leaders who cooperated with the United States against Hussein. In furtherance of this agreement, Bin Laden reportedly dispatched four hundred of Al Qaeda?s ?Afghan? Arabs to Iraq to fight Kurds.

  7. Following a four day air strike by the United States in December 1998, Iraqi trade minister Muhammad Mahdi Salah reportedly stated that he expected terrorist activities against the United States to increase as a result of the bombing of Iraq. The Arabic language daily newspaper Al-Quds al-Arabi first raised the issue of cooperation between Iraq, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in a late December 1998 editorial, which predicted that ?President Saddam Hussein, whose country was subjected to a four day air strike, will look for support in taking revenge on the United States and Britain by cooperating with Saudi oppositionist Osama bin-Laden, whom the United States considers to be the most wanted person in the world.? The editorial noted that this type of cooperation was very likely considering that ?bin-Laden was planning moving to Iraq before the recent strike.?

  8. Following the December 1998 air strikes, Saddam Hussein reportedly dispatched Faruq al-Hijazi to Kandahar, Afghanistan in order to meet with Bin Laden. Hijazi, the former deputy chief of Iraqi intelligence, had first met Bin Laden in 1994. During his visit to Kandahar, Hijazi reportedly offered expanded cooperation and assistance to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, as well as a re-extension of the offer of shelter and hospitality Iraq previously extended to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Bin Laden reportedly agreed in principle to give Iraq assistance in a revenge campaign against the United States, but suggested further study and coordination before committing to a specific course of action or agreeing to a particular terrorist strike.

  9. To demonstrate Iraq?s commitment to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, Hijazi reportedly presented Bin Laden with a pack of blank, official Yemeni passports, supplied to Iraqi intelligence from their Yemeni contacts. Hijazi?s visit to Kandahar was reportedly followed by a contingent of Iraqi military intelligence officials who provided additional training and instruction to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan. These Iraqi officials reportedly included members of ?Unit 999,? a group of elite, Iraqi intelligence officials who provided advanced sabotage and infiltration training and instruction for Al Qaeda operatives.

  10. In addition to the al-Nasiriyah training camp, by January 1999, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda operatives also were reportedly being trained by Iraqi intelligence and military officers at training camps on the outskirts of Baghdad.

  11. Following the Hijazi meetings, Qusay Hussein reportedly dispatched representatives to follow-up with Bin Laden and obtain his firm commitment to exact revenge against the United States for the December 1998 bombing campaign. Iraq reportedly offered Bin Laden and Al Qaeda an open-ended commitment to joint operations against the United States and its ?moderate? Arab allies in exchange for an absolute guarantee that Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and their allies would not attempt to overthrow Saddam Hussein?s regime in Iraq.

  12. Israeli sources reportedly claim that, for the past two years, Iraqi intelligence officers have been shuttling back and forth between Baghdad and Afghanistan. According to the Israelis, one of these Iraqi intelligence officers, Salah Suleiman, was captured last October by Pakistani officials near the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

  13. In January 1999, Iraq reportedly began reorganizing and mobilizing intelligence front operations throughout Europe in support of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

  14. According to Czech intelligence sources, Mohammad Atta, the operational ringleader of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, met in June 2000 with Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, a consul and second secretary at the Iraqi embassy in Prague. Al-Ani is one of Iraqi?s most highly decorated intelligence officers, a special forces veteran, and a senior leader of Iraq?s ?M-8? special operations branch. Other reports indicate that Al-Ani may have met with another hijacker, Khalid Almihdar.

  15. Czech Interior Minister Stanislav Gross has confirmed that Atta met with al-Ani in early April 2001 in Prague. Atta also reportedly met with the Iraqi ambassador to Turkey and the former Iraqi deputy intelligence director, Farouk al-Hijazi, in Prague sometime in early April 2001.

  16. Czech intelligence sources further report that Atta and al-Ani embraced upon meeting at Prague?s Ruzyne airport, and that Atta may have visited the Czech capitol on four other occasions.

  17. Czech intelligence sources also reported that al-Ani had been under surveillance because he had been observed apparently surveying the Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty headquarters in Prague. Czech authorities believed the site had been selected for attack by terrorists. Later in 2001, al-Ani was expelled from the Czech Republic for espionage activities.

  18. Reports of additional intelligence ties between Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and Iraq continue to mount. The CIA reportedly believes Iraq provided falsified passports for the nineteen hijackers who carried out the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Further, senior U.S. intelligence sources have revealed that, in the Spring of 2001, Marwan al-Shehri and Ziad Jarrah – two of Atta?s closest associates and members of the Al Qaeda ?cell? in the Federal Republic of Germany – met with known Iraqi intelligence agents outside the United States.

  19. Italian security sources have reported that Iraq made use of its embassy in Rome to foster and cultivate Iraq?s partnership with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Habib Faris Abdullah al-Mamouri, a general in the Iraqi secret service, and, from 1982 to 1990, a member of Iraq?s ?M-A? special operations branch charged with developing links with Islamist militants in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the states of the Persian Gulf, was stationed in Rome as an ?instructor? for Iraqi diplomats. Al-Mamouri reportedly met with Mohammed Atta in Rome, Hamburg, and Prague. Al-Mamouri has not been seen in Rome since July 2001, shortly after he last met with Atta.

  20. Recent Iraqi defectors provide additional details of Iraq?s support for international terrorism throughout the 1990s. The Public Broadcasting Service documentary program entitled ?Frontline? interviewed former Iraqi intelligence and army officers with first-hand accounts of highly secret installations run by an international terrorist known to Iraqi staffers only as ?the Ghost.? ?The Ghost? is reported to be Abdel Hussein, the chief trainer at a training camp inside Iraq, which includes the fuselage of a Boeing 707 jetliner that is used to practice hijacking scenarios. U.N. inspectors independently confirmed the existence of this particular training camp inside Iraq.

  21. The Iraqi defector known as ?Saddam?s Bomb-maker,? Dr. Khidhir Hamza, who served as Iraq?s Director of Nuclear Weaponization, analyzes Iraqi?s sponsorship of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda as follows:

What I think is there is somehow a change in the level of the type of operation Bin Laden has been carrying [out]. What we are looking at initially is more or less just attempts to blow some buildings, just normal use of explosives for a terrorist. What we have in the September 11 operation, [is a] tightly controlled, very sophisticated operation; the type an Iraqi intelligence agency, well versed in the technology [could pull off]. … So my thinking is a guy sitting in a cave in Afghanistan is not the guy who will do an operation of this caliber. It has to have in combination with it a guy with the sophistication and know-how on how to carry these things.

. . . Iraq [also] has a history of training terrorists, harboring them, and taking good care of them, by the way. A terrorist is well cared for with Saddam. So he has a good reputation in that type of community, if you like.

  1. Several leading authorities on Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, and Al Qaeda concur on the likelihood of Iraq?s sponsorship and coordination of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The former head of Israel?s Mossad secret service, Rafi Eitan, and former CIA Director James Woolsey, share the view that Iraq, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda conspired in the attacks. Their views also are shared by Laurie Mylroie, an academic and Iraqi affairs expert at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C… Mylroie cites the role of Iraqi operatives in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center to support her claim that the September 11, 2001 attacks are a matter of unfinished business for Iraq, which considers itself to be at war with the United States.

nd IF you want to read Clinton;s view of Iraq and Al Queda you can go here…

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content
/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwab/
.asp

Joe

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Well Joe, sign up and go kick some ass and make us safer already…

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Or maybe just show some evidence instead of making extensively large posts that don’t proove d%ck. Honestly. You want ties and links. Bush family/Republican administration with Saddam, Saudis, oil etc. Enough of defending Bush, it’s pathetic. He’s a mumbling idiot who can barely form a coherent sentance. This moron actually said(on the record)that there should be limits to freedom! The war in Iraq is bullsh%t, and it was bullsh%t from day one(sept 12.2001. Or was it december 2000? ;D). So far I have not seen ANY credible evidence to the opposite. Joe must think he’s looking at some hidden information and that everyone else is too dumb or diabolical to see/show it. Yeah, sure “they hate us for our freedom”…idiocy