America Bashing

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Simon Forsyth wrote:
Like I care if you like Family Guy or not, that doesn’t prove a thing. When I asked if you could handle being the President I wasn’t asking about who can be President (someone correct me if I am wrong but you do need to be an American to be president right… Otherwise the Terminator would be running for office). I was asking if you could handle the job… I personally think I would make so many bad mistakes and I don’t think I would be able to handle it… but at least my speeches would be good. [/quote]

I sure would be a tough job, but I don’t see why I couldn’t handle it. The constitution is there to guide you in case of doubt.

I’m not gonna walk you thru my background because I don’t enjoy debating things with you. You don’t display much good faith, swear too much for my taste, and generally behave like a teenager. But you’re welcome to check other threads to catch up.

Here’s the deal: Recently, a bunch of morons in Iraq decided to give a cash reward to whoever will kill a Swedish journalist. This is not only threatening my life (they may plant a bomb for all I know), but freedom of speech, and my tax money is used to protect said journalist when it could be used in much more constructive things.

Would have this happened had the US not invaded Iraq? I think not.

Would the London/Madrid/Casablanca bombings have happened if it wasn’t for the Iraq war? I doubt it.

Corporations do what they’re designed to do: Make money. Do I hate them for that? No. I don’t like the fact that their rights sometimes trump those of humans, but it’s the way it is.

Do I hate the President of America? No. I think his decisions are making the world a much unsafer place.

So I’m supposed to only be concerned by things that directly affect my life?

In France, they’d put you in jail for that.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:

What OG is saying is that, of all the superior countries youlist in front of the US - all of them have rescinded the right to vote, or withheld their citizenship to certain groups. Tell me how that is conducive to democracy. The US is bound by the constitution to extend rights guaranteed therein to all citizens. We have never taken a guaranteed right away like your examples.

Of course you did.

1777 Women lose the right to vote in New York.
1780 Women lose the right to vote in
1787 US Constitutional Convention places voting qualifications in the hands of the states. Women in all states except New Jersey lose the right to vote.

1807 Women lose the right to vote in New Jersey, the last state to revoke the right.

Then Black people could not vote in some places until the 60s and state authorities took part in that. Arguably that also means taking a guaranteed right.

You are a fool. Read what I wrote. With the exception of New Jersey in 1807 you are using examples of colonies. I specifically said that the US has never taken a right away that was provided for in the constitution.

Black suffrage was guaranteed by the constitution with the 14th and 15th amendments. That right has never been taken away. There were many different ways to prevent blacks from voting, particularly in the South but that is not the same as your glorious superior democracies flat removing rights from their people.

Maybe you can go back to the Puritans, or even Red Ericson to prove how evil the US is. That makes about as much sense as using the colonies’ policies before the constitution was even written, or ratified.

Try harder, moron.

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Which still leaves New Jersey.

But I understand. USA, USA, number one and stuff.

Reality is for losers.

You still lose to NZ, Finnland, Austria, Norway and Denmark.

They all had the active and passive right to vote for women before the US.

So sorry.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

The questions have been raised: What compels you to post day after day, almost exclusively for the purpose of bashing the US? What is at the root of your extreme behavior? Why would a person invest so much time and effort in criticizing someone else’s country, while ignoring the shortcomings of his own and other countries?

I have suggested that you are filling some need or gap in your psyche or life. Do you disagree? If so, please tell us what is driving your antipathy toward one country, while you ignore almost all other issues and events in the world.

This behavior of yours is just not normal. We’ve got to help you find some balance in your life. [/quote]

But Chushin,

You are the self confessed Euro hater. You seem to have strong negative emotions towards Europe which can easily be demonstrated with your posts.

It pains me to say that if my condition is as serious as you say, yours is utterly hopeless.

Should you not rather work on your shattered psyche than wasting time on my still relatively robust mental condition?

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I think the crux of the problem is this. You guys come to an American website comprised mostly of Ameicans and start bashing America and Americans. How the fuck do you think we are going to react? If I went on a Austrian forumn and started bashing Austrians do you think they are going to sit there and say “Well you know he has a point, we are a bunch of assholes”. I thought not. Or if we went on a french website forumn and started bashing the french, or the turks, or the egyptions, russians, laosians, etc.

Look if you don’t like america or americans, that’s certainly with in your right and I certainly don’t give a fuck. But if all your going to do is come here and insult us, kindly go fuck yourselves. Y’all would do everybody a favor if you just disappeared.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
I think the crux of the problem is this. You guys come to an American website comprised mostly of Ameicans and start bashing America and Americans. How the fuck do you think we are going to react? If I went on a Austrian forumn and started bashing Austrians do you think they are going to sit there and say “Well you know he has a point, we are a bunch of assholes”. I thought not. Or if we went on a french website forumn and started bashing the french, or the turks, or the egyptions, russians, laosians, etc.
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I can`t tell what would happen.

Why don`t you try and see ?

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[quote]orion wrote:
pat36 wrote:
I think the crux of the problem is this. You guys come to an American website comprised mostly of Ameicans and start bashing America and Americans. How the fuck do you think we are going to react? If I went on a Austrian forumn and started bashing Austrians do you think they are going to sit there and say “Well you know he has a point, we are a bunch of assholes”. I thought not. Or if we went on a french website forumn and started bashing the french, or the turks, or the egyptions, russians, laosians, etc.

I can`t tell what would happen.

Why don`t you try and see ?[/quote]

Most of us have lives. You don’t. You base your self worth on your dimwitted trolling. Normal people don’t.

T Nation has a history of tolerating losers like you. Losers like you take advantage of it.

Try taking up weighlifting. It will reduce your stress and you might acutally get in shape. Some other forums on this site can get you started.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
pat36 wrote:
I think the crux of the problem is this. You guys come to an American website comprised mostly of Ameicans and start bashing America and Americans. How the fuck do you think we are going to react? If I went on a Austrian forumn and started bashing Austrians do you think they are going to sit there and say “Well you know he has a point, we are a bunch of assholes”. I thought not. Or if we went on a french website forumn and started bashing the french, or the turks, or the egyptions, russians, laosians, etc.

I can`t tell what would happen.

Why don`t you try and see ?

Most of us have lives. You don’t. You base your self worth on your dimwitted trolling. Normal people don’t.

T Nation has a history of tolerating losers like you. Losers like you take advantage of it.

Try taking up weighlifting. It will reduce your stress and you might acutally get in shape. Some other forums on this site can get you started.

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Dude, you have a) more posts than me, b) rarely post anywhere but in this and the Get a Life forum and c) i´ve never seen you help out any beginners.

Plus, you could not post on a German forum if you wanted to because your German is worse than my French.

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Nobody here is bashing America. For example, this thread here started out because some guy (who has a great Avatar) was whining why everyone criticizes his country when he’s backpacking.

We gave you some explanations.
You, obviously, don’t want to hear em.

-Schwarzfahrer, sincerely carrying on with freedom-hating

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[quote]lixy wrote:
btm62 wrote:
As opposed to the way more unspeakable violence by muslim terrorists or insurgents or whackjobs?

I don’t support the terrorists.

You support the US army.

Can’t you see the huge flaw in your argument?

No I guess I don’t. I certainly do support the US Army. They are my borthers and friends. You are supporting your side, if not just by the simple fact that you cannot admit for some bizarre reason that US Army is NOT the MAIN cause of civilian casualties anywhere in the Middle East.

Are members or Al-Mahdi’s group blowing themselves up and/or killing civilians? Prove your 10% figure. I call bullshit on that.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0710.tilghman.html

The State Department estimates Al Qaeda in Iraq at from 850 �?? about 3 to 5 percent of the Sunni insurgency �?? to a few thousand.

That is only Al-Qaeda. And you qoute me figures from the US State Department. Oh, now we are so accurate that you feel compelled to bitch about them and use their stats as a source in the same argument. Nice. Governments are like ex wives. If their lips are moving, they are lying.

Not once did I mention that. That is your agenda trap bullshit. Although I think it can be included. “Classic case of logical fallacy?” Again I’d appreciate if you would stick to the point.

What does a people resisting the only way they can in the face of the Zionist occupier have to do with a bunch of whackjobs determined to spread terror around the world?

Zionist occupier? Was that what it said in the pamphlet.
Maybe we are “Running Dogs”. People resisting is one thing. Blowing up innocent civilians is quite another. And…we’re back to the main point again!

Terrorists are one thing. Palestinian resistance inside the occupied territories is another.

I don’t give two thrusts into a cats butt about the Palestinians. Maybe the other Arabs could help em out a little bit. This is what happens when you get your ass handed to you in a war. I don’t care to go on and on about this topic cause I’m not a big fan of the Israeli’s either and my point can be made without even bringing this whole cluster into the realm ya know?

Well the government or organization, PLO, Hamas…etc… gives cash to the family of the suicide bomber.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the US hand out cash to the family of a fallen soldier. Now, what’s the difference between somebody destroying civilian buildings with an F-16 and the Palestinian suicide bombers?

So now your changing the tables again? Are you a frickin lawyer or what? Just tell me the argument was a strawman and move on. I’ll understand.

On a side note, you may wanna look up the verb “to reimburse”.

Thank you Mrs. Othmar I think I understand the word just fine.

Yes, I’ve heard this talking point many times. So what?

So what?

Saddam was a secular mo-fo who hung Islamists by their balls. The Al-Sauds are fundamentalist and absolutist nut-jobs with known ties to terrorist organizations.

The Al-Sauds now? Who cares for purposes of this post and discussion. Take a ritalin.

If you can’t see the problem with turning Iraq into a safe haven for terrorists, there’s no helping you.

WTF?

What is the point of this sentence?

To show you that I’m in no way responsible for any innocent deaths. Your tax-money and neo-con-cheerleading on the other hand…

If it helps you feel better okay? I don’t think I’m a neo-con. Can I be a neo-con and a zionist? Shit, I’m gonna need a huge business card. C’mon Lixy. As far as my taxes go, they go to a lot of shit I don’t support. Your hands aren’t all together clean either.

The US army and its murderous war is financed and supported by the American populace.

Last I looked support for the war was not that strong by the American populace. The government maybe.

Not anymore. Back in 2003, the majority of Americans supported the obliterating and invasion of Iraq thanks to a carefully crafted propaganda. Remember Cheney linking Saddam to 9/11? Remember the WMDs?

I think we supported removing Saddam’s government thru military force. For all of the subsequent rhetoric the end justifying the means could still be applicable here. Time will tell. Again, for this post I don’t care to argue all the reasons and lies about the Iraq war. “Your side” is still killing more civilians than we are and your viewpoint is very one sided. AND…we’re back on topic.

That sounds about par for your course. I’m not trying to hold you responsible for anything other than you seem to be in denial about the fact that the side that you support has killed more civilians than the side you hate.

I don’t support any faction that harms innocents. However, I am sick and tired of shedding tears for the Americans who get blown up in Iraq. It’s not their land. They have no business dictating the rules there. And don’t get me started on the mercenaries…

And I’m tired of hearing about how the US accidentally kills 2 civilians in a WAR zone and on the same page I get an article that tells me that a suicide bomber blew up 158 people in a crowded market and you wanna sit and criticize and demonize ONLY the american soldier. Its wrong. End of story. There is a difference!

Not necessarily. An insurgent, to me, is someone from out of country fighting against US forces. I suppose it could include Iraqi’s, but there we would have to draw some sort of idealogical motivation for further classification.

That didn’t make the least bit of sense, now did it. Are the insurgents “from out of country” or do they “include Iraqi’s” (sic)? If the latter, then we’re back to my previous definition: Anyone shooting at US forces is an insurgent. And to think that the people of an occupied country don’t have the right to resist is simply preposterous.

Resist by blowing up civilians? Piss on your stupid definition, stick to point. Whoever is blowing up civilians…martians, numbnuts, blue eyed cheerleaders…whatever you want to call them…the shit is wrong and you know it, and you’d rather sit and talk about the 2 civilians the US killed rather than the 158 in the market. (Those by the way we’re probably not an accident.)
And…we’re back to the point.

Who and where is this legitimate Iraqi resistance? Are they blowing themselves up? Killing civilians? If they are I feel comfortable lumping them together for purposes of accusing of you of refusing to see that the side you support kills more civilians than the US.

Let’s please differentiate between people blowing themselves up with the intent of killing civilians and the ones doing the same to take out US forces.

OKAY!@

Now that it’s done, I’ll totally agree with you. Anyone harming civilians should be taken out. And let me remind you that the US army has done more than its fair share at killing and maiming civilians, sometimes on purpose.

YOu remind us at every opportunity. I think the other side is ahead on that scoreboard though. And…the point again.

Send pictures. Are you hot?

Nice retort.

I have a very nice retort. Hard as a rock. (Lots of deads and stuff.) Wanna cop a feel?

I meant try bombing the town I reside in and see the size of my balls for yourself.

Blow my head up? That’ll leave a mark!

Sheesh! You’re being silly.

I feel a love smack on my bottom coming on.

Muslims have a lot of blood on their hands too. Their policies are bullying and violent and chickenshit and kill more civilians than the US. That is what I am denouncing.

And I’m right behind you. (no pun intended)

None taken.

I agree with this paragraph. I’m not arguing that.

Praise the lord!

I must say that I have no idea where you stood on the 2003 invasion. Did you support Bush’s decision to blow up Iraq?[/quote]

I think that Saddam being gone is a good thing. While I think Bush and his ilk have obvious greed motives for doing what they did, I believe that if the insurgency would dry up and let the people and the army rebuild the country, the infrastructure and such that the Iraqi people could perhaps enjoy a better standard of living than under Saddam. (Japan style.) I believe that few people in that region are ready for democratic government. I believe that is a process that must occur naturally within a society and cannot be forced upon them. I think that is a good lesson that can be learned from the situation. While the motives of the government are suspect, I believe a VAST majority of our troops believe basically what I do and want to help. I believe this because I know them.

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[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
pat36 wrote:
I think the crux of the problem is this. You guys come to an American website comprised mostly of Ameicans and start bashing America and Americans. How the fuck do you think we are going to react? If I went on a Austrian forumn and started bashing Austrians do you think they are going to sit there and say “Well you know he has a point, we are a bunch of assholes”. I thought not. Or if we went on a french website forumn and started bashing the french, or the turks, or the egyptions, russians, laosians, etc.

I can`t tell what would happen.

Why don`t you try and see ?

Most of us have lives. You don’t. You base your self worth on your dimwitted trolling. Normal people don’t.

T Nation has a history of tolerating losers like you. Losers like you take advantage of it.

Try taking up weighlifting. It will reduce your stress and you might acutally get in shape. Some other forums on this site can get you started.

Dude, you have a) more posts than me, b) rarely post anywhere but in this and the Get a Life forum and c) i´ve never seen you help out any beginners.

Plus, you could not post on a German forum if you wanted to because your German is worse than my French.

[/quote]

About the same number of posts.

Been here a lot longer then you so your volume far exceeds mine. Far exceeds. Actually was here since 2001 but not sure what happened to the counter before 2003.

You forgot the Steroids, article discussion and over 35 section but then again what would you be doing there?

I don’t have the patience to help out beginners. Used to but they don’t really appreciate it much. Most of the real help and guidance regarding training from vets occurs via PM’s and deals with specific issues. I always answer the ones I get.

German is terrible. Spanish is better but I use to live in NYC so I got to use it a lot. Thinking about taking up Chinese at the local college but I hear it takes forever and again I doubt I have the patience.

I would consider it the height of stupidity and poor taste to waste my time bashing Austrians, on an Austrian site, devoted to training, regarding their politics, but that’s just me. Far better ways to spend my time. Hopefully one day you will realize the same.

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Hey Lixy,

Freeom fighters are at it again. This is bound to change the view of the zionist neo con running dogs!

Hiding bombs in a play area for children. Yeah America sucks, let’s kill some kids.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071012/ts_nm/iraq_dc

Now about that post we’ve been discussing…

And when is the UN gonna press the other side for some accountability? Maybe we could get a report from Hamuz al-dumbass on how many civilians his guys have killed. Investigate them. Maybe Osama could release a post saying how he’s released Hamuz from duty after an investigation of his tactics and the horrible civilian death toll. Here’s the deal. These morons are blowing themselves up and taking children with them. The US is trying to protect the civilian population, but it being a war zone where the combatants most times arenn’t very clear and using hiding in a school, a church or someplace really clever sometimes civilians get hurt. Or we could just say, sorry about the kids old chum, but we can’t go after them lest we accidentally kill someone incorrectly. We are going to dedicate all of our resources to rebuilding stuff and if they pick us off too, well that’s just the price we have to pay cause we’re America. A bit simplistic, I realize, but I believe an overall accurate concept.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Nobody here is bashing America. For example, this thread here started out because some guy (who has a great Avatar) was whining why everyone criticizes his country when he’s backpacking.

We gave you some explanations.
You, obviously, don’t want to hear em.

-Schwarzfahrer, sincerely carrying on with freedom-hating[/quote]

R U jealous too?

Could you PM me what makes us jealous?

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[quote]hedo wrote:

About the same number of posts.

Been here a lot longer then you so your volume far exceeds mine. Far exceeds. Actually was here since 2001 but not sure what happened to the counter before 2003.

You forgot the Steroids, article discussion and over 35 section but then again what would you be doing there?

I don’t have the patience to help out beginners. Used to but they don’t really appreciate it much. Most of the real help and guidance regarding training from vets occurs via PM’s and deals with specific issues. I always answer the ones I get.

German is terrible. Spanish is better but I use to live in NYC so I got to use it a lot. Thinking about taking up Chinese at the local college but I hear it takes forever and again I doubt I have the patience.

I would consider it the height of stupidity and poor taste to waste my time bashing Austrians, on an Austrian site, devoted to training, regarding their politics, but that’s just me. Far better ways to spend my time. Hopefully one day you will realize the same.

[/quote]

Na you´d quickly discover why it is fun.

Just imagine a bunch of Austrians lamenting about the Liechtenstein terrorists while the Austrian army has allmost nearly leveled Vaduz.

Confronted with this these Austrians claim they were attacked and the Monacans blew up the Millenium tower killing about 100 people which is why we can implement measures that will kill thousands Liechtensteinians, but thats ok because we do not deliberately target them.

According to this logic it is a ok to set a house on fire, as long as you do not deliberately target the people inside.

100 Austrians dead are obviously an outrage, thousands of Liechtensteinians are rather not and yet we insist on holding the moral high ground and that theres no hypocrisy anwhere.

If someone asks us if we have all lost it, we call him an Austria hater and declare him jealous and mentally ill, or invoke crimes of the past as if that changed anything.

All of that from a bunch of self proclaimed T-men who should be able to deal with a little controversy and be tired of the endless circle jerk of the Austrian media.

Believe me, it is fun to piss on that parade.

People with US high school BS like " we are the oldest continuous Democracy" or “the US has the best justice/health/whatever system” in the world are obviously a bonus.

If someone cannot handle this, here are some links:

http://www.nomoremrniceguy.com/ngs.php

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[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:

About the same number of posts.

Been here a lot longer then you so your volume far exceeds mine. Far exceeds. Actually was here since 2001 but not sure what happened to the counter before 2003.

You forgot the Steroids, article discussion and over 35 section but then again what would you be doing there?

I don’t have the patience to help out beginners. Used to but they don’t really appreciate it much. Most of the real help and guidance regarding training from vets occurs via PM’s and deals with specific issues. I always answer the ones I get.

German is terrible. Spanish is better but I use to live in NYC so I got to use it a lot. Thinking about taking up Chinese at the local college but I hear it takes forever and again I doubt I have the patience.

I would consider it the height of stupidity and poor taste to waste my time bashing Austrians, on an Austrian site, devoted to training, regarding their politics, but that’s just me. Far better ways to spend my time. Hopefully one day you will realize the same.

Na you´d quickly discover why it is fun.

Just imagine a bunch of Austrians lamenting about the Liechtenstein terrorists while the Austrian army has allmost nearly leveled Vaduz.

Confronted with this these Austrians claim they were attacked and the Monacans blew up the Millenium tower killing about 100 people which is why we can implement measures that will kill thousands Liechtensteinians, but thats ok because we do not deliberately target them.

According to this logic it is a ok to set a house on fire, as long as you do not deliberately target the people inside.

100 Austrians dead are obviously an outrage, thousands of Liechtensteinians are rather not and yet we insist on holding the moral high ground and that theres no hypocrisy anwhere.

If someone asks us if we have all lost it, we call him an Austria hater and declare him jealous and mentally ill, or invoke crimes of the past as if that changed anything.

All of that from a bunch of self proclaimed T-men who should be able to deal with a little controversy and be tired of the endless circle jerk of the Austrian media.

Believe me, it is fun to piss on that parade.

People with US high school BS like " we are the oldest continuous Democracy" or “the US has the best justice/health/whatever system” in the world are obviously a bonus.

If someone cannot handle this, here are some links:

http://www.nomoremrniceguy.com/ngs.php[/quote]

Nah. I just can’t imagine my self being so devoid of self worth to post about Austrian Politics on an Austrian website and enjoy spending most of my day doing it.

Got too much going on in the real world.

As you have just stated. You apparently have nothing better to do.

You do know most of us don’t really care about your opinion right?

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[quote]hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:

About the same number of posts.

Been here a lot longer then you so your volume far exceeds mine. Far exceeds. Actually was here since 2001 but not sure what happened to the counter before 2003.

You forgot the Steroids, article discussion and over 35 section but then again what would you be doing there?

I don’t have the patience to help out beginners. Used to but they don’t really appreciate it much. Most of the real help and guidance regarding training from vets occurs via PM’s and deals with specific issues. I always answer the ones I get.

German is terrible. Spanish is better but I use to live in NYC so I got to use it a lot. Thinking about taking up Chinese at the local college but I hear it takes forever and again I doubt I have the patience.

I would consider it the height of stupidity and poor taste to waste my time bashing Austrians, on an Austrian site, devoted to training, regarding their politics, but that’s just me. Far better ways to spend my time. Hopefully one day you will realize the same.

Na you´d quickly discover why it is fun.

Just imagine a bunch of Austrians lamenting about the Liechtenstein terrorists while the Austrian army has allmost nearly leveled Vaduz.

Confronted with this these Austrians claim they were attacked and the Monacans blew up the Millenium tower killing about 100 people which is why we can implement measures that will kill thousands Liechtensteinians, but thats ok because we do not deliberately target them.

According to this logic it is a ok to set a house on fire, as long as you do not deliberately target the people inside.

100 Austrians dead are obviously an outrage, thousands of Liechtensteinians are rather not and yet we insist on holding the moral high ground and that theres no hypocrisy anwhere.

If someone asks us if we have all lost it, we call him an Austria hater and declare him jealous and mentally ill, or invoke crimes of the past as if that changed anything.

All of that from a bunch of self proclaimed T-men who should be able to deal with a little controversy and be tired of the endless circle jerk of the Austrian media.

Believe me, it is fun to piss on that parade.

People with US high school BS like " we are the oldest continuous Democracy" or “the US has the best justice/health/whatever system” in the world are obviously a bonus.

If someone cannot handle this, here are some links:

http://www.nomoremrniceguy.com/ngs.php

Nah. I just can’t imagine my self being so devoid of self worth to post about Austrian Politics on an Austrian website and enjoy spending most of my day doing it.

Got too much going on in the real world.

As you have just stated. You apparently have nothing better to do.

You do know most of us don’t really care about your opinion right?
[/quote]

Or yours for that matter.

Orion’s posts are a breath of fresh air. I know it sucks that he doesn’t simply repeat what the American media tells him on a daily basis.

It’s often the people watching from the sideline who can see things a bit clearer.

Dustin

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Nobody here is bashing America. For example, this thread here started out because some guy (who has a great Avatar) was whining why everyone criticizes his country when he’s backpacking.

We gave you some explanations.
You, obviously, don’t want to hear em.

-Schwarzfahrer, sincerely carrying on with freedom-hating[/quote]

Bloody hell, everyone is having a pop.

A) I’m fucking English
B) I wasn’t whining!

All the best

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Simon Forsyth wrote:
Like I care if you like Family Guy or not, that doesn’t prove a thing. When I asked if you could handle being the President I wasn’t asking about who can be President (someone correct me if I am wrong but you do need to be an American to be president right… Otherwise the Terminator would be running for office). I was asking if you could handle the job… I personally think I would make so many bad mistakes and I don’t think I would be able to handle it… but at least my speeches would be good.

I sure would be a tough job, but I don’t see why I couldn’t handle it. The constitution is there to guide you in case of doubt.

You talk about th oppressive regime you lived under that was supported by America and since you hate Israel I would say that you think your a Palestinian… I have meet heaps of Palestinians and they hate Israel with a vengeance, mainly because Israel treats them in a fashion similar to apartheid south africa.

I’m not gonna walk you thru my background because I don’t enjoy debating things with you. You don’t display much good faith, swear too much for my taste, and generally behave like a teenager. But you’re welcome to check other threads to catch up.

In what way does America having bases in many countries change your quality of life? You say your from Sweden so please tell me how bases in the UK, Italy Afghanistan and other countries is actually effecting your quality of life to such a point you decide to constantly complain any chance you get.

Here’s the deal: Recently, a bunch of morons in Iraq decided to give a cash reward to whoever will kill a Swedish journalist. This is not only threatening my life (they may plant a bomb for all I know), but freedom of speech, and my tax money is used to protect said journalist when it could be used in much more constructive things.

Would have this happened had the US not invaded Iraq? I think not.

Would the London/Madrid/Casablanca bombings have happened if it wasn’t for the Iraq war? I doubt it.

"The reason I said you hate the corporations is because you have complained about them previously, besides the major corporations are American and they are the ones that really start wars (according to you - so is it you hate the president of America or you hate the corporations, make up your mind).

Corporations do what they’re designed to do: Make money. Do I hate them for that? No. I don’t like the fact that their rights sometimes trump those of humans, but it’s the way it is.

Do I hate the President of America? No. I think his decisions are making the world a much unsafer place.

Besides those pissy central and south American countries what country has America “over thrown”… and even if they are legitimate why does that concern you? You live in Sweden (apparently) so why worry about what happened 50 years ago (give or take) in some central/south American country… How does this affect your quality of life?

So I’m supposed to only be concerned by things that directly affect my life?

In France, they’d put you in jail for that.[/quote]

You cant Blame America because of a cartoon drawn by a Swedish journalist (I don’t think he was technically a journalist). It was their choice to draw the said cartoons so there is now way in which you can blame America and their bases, war on terror for that one… No matter which way you look at it (besides these Morons you refer to are your same brethren that are fighting for a free Iraq under Allah - blessed is he).

You don’t like to debate with me because I come across as a teenager? Well First of all my picture is an actual picture of me, proving I am not a teenager (because of my typical Australian method of communication)… I am good looking but I am not a teenager. The real reason you dislike debating subjects with me is because I shoot holes in everything you say… You hate to be proven wrong…

The frogs would jail me because I would be concerned with things that only benefit and directly affect my life, one can lead an amazing life within the laws of any society if they only worry about what will directly affects them… This is logical argument that I shouldn’t need to prove to you. Besides I said how does this affect your ‘QUALITY’ of life… DO you eve know what that means?

You cant say that other places such as England and Spain wouldn’t have been bombed if America hadn’t have started the war on terror. You could look at it in two ways… Terrorists would have done it eventually anyway (remembering that both Spain and England have been fighting terrorism for a hell of a lot longer than the US has). Or if you believe the shit about False Flag operations in which it would have happened anyway.

Now Lixy go back to school and get an education because I will shoot down any argument you present from now on so save yourself a little face and go away. You have been warned.

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[quote]AdamC wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Nobody here is bashing America. For example, this thread here started out because some guy (who has a great Avatar) was whining why everyone criticizes his country when he’s backpacking.

We gave you some explanations.
You, obviously, don’t want to hear em.

-Schwarzfahrer, sincerely carrying on with freedom-hating

Bloody hell, everyone is having a pop.

A) I’m fucking English
B) I wasn’t whining!

All the best [/quote]

As a member of the Commonwealth I feel that I need to stand next to my British friend and just point out that he was not whining. He merely point out a few observations from his travels… because thats what people do when they get back from travels… I did it the last time I was overseas… and I complained about how hard it is to find a real Bacon and Egg sangar in St. Paul MN.

Anyway If people have a problem with AdamC then they need to re-read what he initially wrote and then think about it.