[quote]orion wrote:
someone uses the US in this way it is pathetic.
If someone American uses those idiots to find comfort it also is pathetic.
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I can see your point there.
[quote]orion wrote:
So in other words you have no way to show me where I went wrong but you pity me for my anti-Americanism and other shortcomings, while your patriotism is in part rooted in fairy tales that do not hold water under closer scrutiny.
USA, USA and stuff, who cares about historic facts?
You remember the title of the thread " Why the America bashing"?
Frankly given all the responses, including yours, I do not know anymore.
Since arguments and reason are no longer able to penetrate your armour of arrogant stubborness maybe the only way to get through to people like you is violence.
When the next bomb goes off, just remember, they hate you for your freedom.
Yeah, right.[/quote]
Orion I did show you and then you also made that wacky statement about the Civil War… which was actually 1861 - 1865…
and then you say the only way to get through to people like me is violence. What is it you wanted from me? Did you want me to actually say that America is the worst nation on the planet?
As I told you on a different thread, more people want to immigrate to my nation than any other nation in the world. That alone tells you that not everyone hates America the way you do. I don’t make up those numbers. No fairy tale. I live here. I know what my life and family and friends are like. I have to say I love them all.
You say you hate Americans/America with nothing to distinguish from the government and policies, just a huge ole ball of hate for anything American. Thank goodness Americans are better able to distinguish than you are. Your world must be a pretty ugly place. I can dislike a government/culture/policy but still meet someone and judge them on who they are and how they to me. Maybe you are just young.
Regarding violence, bring it on. America does a pretty good job about being violent, according to everything you’ve posted. Just be glad we show more restraint than our enemies.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
someone uses the US in this way it is pathetic.
If someone American uses those idiots to find comfort it also is pathetic.
I can see your point there.[/quote]
You´ve seen my point all along.
You just think I am an arrogant ass, which I am.
My whole point is, what does it matter?
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Orion we are done. We can go tit-for-tat over and over again.
and you don’t know the history of the U.S. if you think the Civil War created two separate sovereign nations out of the U.S.
It chaps your hide but I am glad you’ve spent some time educating yourself on history, too bad a lot of it was wrong or more apt, skewed.
and of course I am still chuckling that you had to spend so much time thinking about my country.
Maybe you don’t know any Americans outside of the Internet which is a shame. I would bet you would like them.
Dislike our policies, but try to take people on a case by case basis as you meet them.
And there´s another thing.
You think we critisize because we do not know you.
IF, we suddenly came to know and understand you, we would see things like you do.
No.
We know you. We understand your reasons. We also had our cities actually turned into parking lots, so we know what it looks like to be on the business end of war.
And our answer is NO.
Whatever your politicians sell you to scare you into war, we need more to agree to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands.
We actually believe that an Iraqi live is worth as much as an American live.
So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.
You still have no reading comprehension.
I said, fine, I get it, dislike our politics, meet the people, you might like an average everyday American.
Too caught up in the whole hate thing to actually understand what I wrote.
negotiate what? So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.
and why do you use “we”? you really don’t speak for every Austrian, or is it you and the voices in your head?
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I dunno, judging from the overwhelming world wide reactions, what is it you think?
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Are there sociopaths contributing to this thread?
"Antisocial personality disorder (APD) is a psychiatric condition characterized by an individual’s common disregard for social rules, norms, and cultural codes, as well as impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others.
Central to identifying individuals exhibiting characteristics of the disorder is that they appear to experience a limited range of human emotions. This can explain their lack of empathy for the suffering of others, since they cannot experience the emotion associated with either empathy or suffering.
"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders defines antisocial personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
- failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
- deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
- impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
- irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated fights or assaults
- reckless disregard for safety of self or others
- consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor obligations
- lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another"
One lunatic, a frequent poster, may fit criteria 2-7.
One thing about lunacy…it should not be an infectious disease. Do not catch it from the lunatic or sociopath. Ignore him; he is unworthy of response. And responding only encourages further childish and self-destructive behavior, eliciting only pity from responsible contributors.
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Oh my, the SU would be so proud of you.
YES! EVERYONE OPPOSING YOU IS EVIL_ EVERY REASONABLE PERSON MUST SUBMITT TO THE INEVITABLE RISE OF THE PROLETARIATE AND IF NOT THAT CONSTITUTES MENTAL ILLNESS BY DEFINITION!
[quote]orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Orion we are done. We can go tit-for-tat over and over again.
and you don’t know the history of the U.S. if you think the Civil War created two separate sovereign nations out of the U.S.
It chaps your hide but I am glad you’ve spent some time educating yourself on history, too bad a lot of it was wrong or more apt, skewed.
and of course I am still chuckling that you had to spend so much time thinking about my country.
Maybe you don’t know any Americans outside of the Internet which is a shame. I would bet you would like them.
Dislike our policies, but try to take people on a case by case basis as you meet them.
And there´s another thing.
You think we critisize because we do not know you.
IF, we suddenly came to know and understand you, we would see things like you do.
No.
We know you. We understand your reasons. We also had our cities actually turned into parking lots, so we know what it looks like to be on the business end of war.
And our answer is NO.
Whatever your politicians sell you to scare you into war, we need more to agree to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands.
We actually believe that an Iraqi live is worth as much as an American live.
So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.
You still have no reading comprehension.
I said, fine, I get it, dislike our politics, meet the people, you might like an average everyday American.
Too caught up in the whole hate thing to actually understand what I wrote.
negotiate what? So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.
and why do you use “we”? you really don’t speak for every Austrian, or is it you and the voices in your head?
I dunno, judging from the overwhelming world wide reactions, what is it you think?
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The overwhelming world wide reaction is, “America the land of opportunity,” “I want to take my family to America,” “I can be anything I want to be in America” according to immigration statistics.
and I absolutely agree with the overwhelming belief of all those immigrants that want to come here, more than any other nation in the world.
unless you think those people don’t count?
we may be talking about different things too. I am talking American people, the people, which is what the OP mentioned in his post. Maybe you are just talking the government and the policies.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Regarding violence, bring it on. America does a pretty good job about being violent, according to everything you’ve posted. Just be glad we show more restraint than our enemies.
[/quote]
Its easy to “bring it on” when you’re not pulling the trigger.
I’m tough also sitting behind my computer screen.
The U.S has no history of showing restraint. Don’t accuse people of not knowing history when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Dustin
[quote]Dustin wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Regarding violence, bring it on. America does a pretty good job about being violent, according to everything you’ve posted. Just be glad we show more restraint than our enemies.
Its easy to “bring it on” when you’re not pulling the trigger.
I’m tough also sitting behind my computer screen.
The U.S has no history of showing restraint. Don’t accuse people of not knowing history when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Dustin[/quote]
how would you know if I don’t know what I am talking about?
We have shown restraint. You do know what they do in other countries don’t you?
You can “mea culpa” all you want but do it for yourself, don’t do it for me.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Orion we are done. We can go tit-for-tat over and over again.
and you don’t know the history of the U.S. if you think the Civil War created two separate sovereign nations out of the U.S.
It chaps your hide but I am glad you’ve spent some time educating yourself on history, too bad a lot of it was wrong or more apt, skewed.
and of course I am still chuckling that you had to spend so much time thinking about my country.
Maybe you don’t know any Americans outside of the Internet which is a shame. I would bet you would like them.
Dislike our policies, but try to take people on a case by case basis as you meet them.
And there´s another thing.
You think we critisize because we do not know you.
IF, we suddenly came to know and understand you, we would see things like you do.
No.
We know you. We understand your reasons. We also had our cities actually turned into parking lots, so we know what it looks like to be on the business end of war.
And our answer is NO.
Whatever your politicians sell you to scare you into war, we need more to agree to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands.
We actually believe that an Iraqi live is worth as much as an American live.
So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.
You still have no reading comprehension.
I said, fine, I get it, dislike our politics, meet the people, you might like an average everyday American.
Too caught up in the whole hate thing to actually understand what I wrote.
negotiate what? So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.
and why do you use “we”? you really don’t speak for every Austrian, or is it you and the voices in your head?
I dunno, judging from the overwhelming world wide reactions, what is it you think?
The overwhelming world wide reaction is, “America the land of opportunity,” “I want to take my family to America,” “I can be anything I want to be in America” according to immigration statistics.
and I absolutely agree with the overwhelming belief of all those immigrants that want to come here, more than any other nation in the world.
unless you think those people don’t count?
we may be talking about different things too. I am talking American people, the people, which is what the OP mentioned in his post. Maybe you are just talking the government and the policies.[/quote]
I drew a line between the people and the government right from the start.
Too bad some Americans cannot draw the line betwen themselves and their government.
What more would we need to confirm our conspicions?
[quote]orion wrote:
I drew a line between the people and the government right from the start.
Too bad some Americans cannot draw the line betwen themselves and their government.
What more would we need to confirm our conspicions?
[/quote]
I don’t know what a conspicions is.
Too bad some zealots blow themselves and others up while some of the faith don’t.
Stop thinking every American owes you an apology.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Orion we are done. We can go tit-for-tat over and over again.
and you don’t know the history of the U.S. if you think the Civil War created two separate sovereign nations out of the U.S.
It chaps your hide but I am glad you’ve spent some time educating yourself on history, too bad a lot of it was wrong or more apt, skewed.
and of course I am still chuckling that you had to spend so much time thinking about my country.
Maybe you don’t know any Americans outside of the Internet which is a shame. I would bet you would like them.
Dislike our policies, but try to take people on a case by case basis as you meet them.
And there´s another thing.
You think we critisize because we do not know you.
IF, we suddenly came to know and understand you, we would see things like you do.
No.
We know you. We understand your reasons. We also had our cities actually turned into parking lots, so we know what it looks like to be on the business end of war.
And our answer is NO.
Whatever your politicians sell you to scare you into war, we need more to agree to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands.
We actually believe that an Iraqi live is worth as much as an American live.
So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.
You still have no reading comprehension.
I said, fine, I get it, dislike our politics, meet the people, you might like an average everyday American.
Too caught up in the whole hate thing to actually understand what I wrote.
negotiate what? So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.
and why do you use “we”? you really don’t speak for every Austrian, or is it you and the voices in your head?
I dunno, judging from the overwhelming world wide reactions, what is it you think?
The overwhelming world wide reaction is, “America the land of opportunity,” “I want to take my family to America,” “I can be anything I want to be in America” according to immigration statistics.
and I absolutely agree with the overwhelming belief of all those immigrants that want to come here, more than any other nation in the world.
unless you think those people don’t count?
we may be talking about different things too. I am talking American people, the people, which is what the OP mentioned in his post. Maybe you are just talking the government and the policies.
I drew a line between the people and the government right from the start.
Too bad some Americans cannot draw the line betwen themselves and their government.
What more would we need to confirm our conspicions?
I don’t know what a conspicions is.
Too bad some zealots blow themselves and others up while some of the faith don’t.
Stop thinking every American owes you an apology.
[/quote]
You do no owe me shit!
If you ever meet an Iraqui, you owe him everything.
Back to the “Oldest continuous Democracy”.
You had what rebuttal to my arguments?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
You just think I am an arrogant ass, which I am.
My whole point is, what does it matter?
(The patient makes a breakthrough, spurring me to break my own word about not posting):
It matters because it causes your perspective to be terribly distorted. Because it colors everything you see and touch. You are one of the 3 blind men who is absolutely convinced that an elephant is a long, flexible thing. Of course it is! But that is not ALL that it is!
One should not, and indeed, cannot, judge ANYTHING without an understanding of the whole, and the context in which that thing exists.
Try listening to what folks are saying about you AS A PERSON. Not about your “facts,” but about you.
[/quote]
Ok, my perspective is like totally disorted Dude!
What does it matter? Either I am wrong or I am not, no matter how much I am delusional?
[quote]orion wrote:
You do no owe me shit!
If you ever meet an Iraqui, you owe him everything.
Back to the “Oldest continuous Democracy”.
You had what rebuttal to my arguments?
[/quote]
regarding the oldest continuous democracy, it is a fact and I’ve already provided you with the info.
you won’t accept it and you will just say, “you are wrong, you are not”, then I will say, “check out the facts, they show we are.” Round and around.
Okay well with your “If you ever meet an Iraqui, you owe him everything.” This would mean you owe me everything as I am a jew. See how silly all that seems?
I don’t owe an Iraqi anything except for the basic courtesy I would extend to any stranger.
[quote]orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
The overwhelming world wide reaction is, “America the land of opportunity,” “I want to take my family to America,” “I can be anything I want to be in America” according to immigration statistics.
and I absolutely agree with the overwhelming belief of all those immigrants that want to come here, more than any other nation in the world.
unless you think those people don’t count?
.
You do no owe me shit!
If you ever meet an Iraqui, you owe him everything.
Back to the “Oldest continuous Democracy”.
You had what rebuttal to my arguments?
[/quote]
all those thousands upon thousands of immigrants…
coming here
they do count whether you want to acknowledge that or not
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
You just think I am an arrogant ass, which I am.
My whole point is, what does it matter?
(The patient makes a breakthrough, spurring me to break my own word about not posting):
It matters because it causes your perspective to be terribly distorted. Because it colors everything you see and touch. You are one of the 3 blind men who is absolutely convinced that an elephant is a long, flexible thing. Of course it is! But that is not ALL that it is!
One should not, and indeed, cannot, judge ANYTHING without an understanding of the whole, and the context in which that thing exists.
Try listening to what folks are saying about you AS A PERSON. Not about your “facts,” but about you.
Ok, my perspective is like totally disorted Dude!
What does it matter? Either I am wrong or I am not, no matter how much I am delusional?
Yes, Orion, you are right, I’m sure. Please carry on.
Again, I sincerely wish you the best of luck with your attempt to find some kind of peace in life.
[/quote]
thank you, that is very nice of you!
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
orion wrote:
You do no owe me shit!
If you ever meet an Iraqui, you owe him everything.
Back to the “Oldest continuous Democracy”.
You had what rebuttal to my arguments?
regarding the oldest continuous democracy, it is a fact and I’ve already provided you with the info.
you won’t accept it and you will just say, “you are wrong, you are not”, then I will say, “check out the facts, they show we are.” Round and around.
Okay well with your “If you ever meet an Iraqui, you owe him everything.” This would mean you owe me everything as I am a jew. See how silly all that seems?
I don’t owe an Iraqi anything except for the basic courtesy I would extend to any stranger.[/quote]
So what you´re trying to say is that it must be right because you, or American websites, say so!
In the real world there are like “arguments” and the supremacy of “reason”, but dream on Bubble Girl!
if nothing else orion this has proven I really do type too much.
I’m done.
have a good weekend
[quote]orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
You just think I am an arrogant ass, which I am.
[/quote]
At last the truth, but not the whole truth, which is, you also have a mediocre mind, on continuous narcissistic display.
My bid, by the way:
San Marino is the oldest continuous republican democracy (founded 301 AD). And the United States is a republic with democratic institutions, to split the hair.
But, somehow, no one bashes poor, neglected, San Marino.