America Bashing

[Schwarzfahrer]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Orion, you can post links but you are just picking and choosing you are you not posting completely.

The U.S. is the oldest continuous democracy.

Go ahead, type it in your internet (created by the U.S.) and tell me what comes up. We both know.

We can also discuss direct and parliamentary democracy, but we’ve been down this road. I’ve already pointed out the flaws in your examples. You incomplete poster you.

I know this just chaps your hide and I really like that. I hope it is the worm that wiggles in your brain for ages.

You hate that America is a world power and your country isn’t. It’s okay. We are used to it, the wannabe’s who can’t play in our league always get bent.

I don’t know what you are hoping to accomplish. I live here so I do think I have a better grasp at what it is to be an American than you do. I know the Americans around me and that is probably a lot more than you know if you know any at all.[/quote]

October Girl, please don’t demean yourself in this name-calling and shit-slinging thread. You’re better then that.

[orion]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Orion, you can post links but you are just picking and choosing you are you not posting completely.

The U.S. is the oldest continuous democracy.

Go ahead, type it in your internet (created by the U.S.) and tell me what comes up. We both know.

We can also discuss direct and parliamentary democracy, but we’ve been down this road. I’ve already pointed out the flaws in your examples. You incomplete poster you.

I know this just chaps your hide and I really like that. I hope it is the worm that wiggles in your brain for ages.

You hate that America is a world power and your country isn’t. It’s okay. We are used to it, the wannabe’s who can’t play in our league always get bent.

I don’t know what you are hoping to accomplish. I live here so I do think I have a better grasp at what it is to be an American than you do. I know the Americans around me and that is probably a lot more than you know if you know any at all.[/quote]

Oldest continous Democracy.

Democracy: Define it.

Please keep in mind that if its white male suffrage there are older continuous parliaments.

If it is male suffrage there are older continous parliaments.

If it is universal suffrage, there are parliaments beating you by decades, both active and passive right to vote.

And again, black people had the right to vote, but society made it often impossible, which made you a Democracy in name only, like the GDR.

Continuous: Define that.

The US of today has 50 states, the original had 13.

Between 1860 and 1866 the US were two states, the Confederation and the US.

I am interested to see how you`ll make that work.

Plus, I can show you websites “proving” that we are ruled by reptilian overlords.

[orion]

[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
This is true and Fighting Irish will be proud to hear of NJs insignificance.

And NZ is still the older Democracy.

Also, how is your inquiry into my lying lies going?

Can you proudly swagger on, knowing that part of that swagger is owed to reinventing reality when it does not please you?

Would not every swaggering step you take be a, gasp, LIE?

FI is well aware of NJ’s status.

I told you why you are a liar. It is not my responsibility to hold your hand and step you through it.

Oh yes it is, and you know it.

Calling someone a liar is not a small thing.

Show me where I lied or shut up.

Because if you can`t, that actually makes you a liar.

I told you why I thought you were a liar. How hard is that for you to process? It is not my responsibility to repeat it every time you ask. In fact - that just makes you even more pathetic.

Wah…I know you are but what am I?

Grow the fuck up.

[/quote]

I did grow the fuck up which is why I have more reasons for what I say than my gut feelings.

I posted sources for my allegations, including Albright admitting it and the ONLY scientific study counting the deaths in Iraq.

So, at best, I was misled, not lying.

I see you have nothing else, so get lost Skippy, I am not interested in school yard games.

As part of related news, the Earth is not flat, the moon not made of cheese and Santa Clause does not exist just becuase you think or say otherwise.

[Headhunter]

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
United States is the best country in the world. Foreign policy may be somewhat under Israel’s control but the American spirit is something that the whole world tries to emulate.

[/quote]

Abso-and-fucking-lutely!!

[Schwarzfahrer]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
United States is the best country in the world. Foreign policy may be somewhat under Israel’s control but the American spirit is something that the whole world tries to emulate.

Abso-and-fucking-lutely!!

[/quote]

two more reasons why some guys in the world bash America.

If one country is THE BESTEST EVA! the other ones are worse. And the way it sounds, they are WAY worse in the eyes of the stars and stripes cheerleaders.

Man, how could you possibly discuss the answer to the OP’s question “why do they bash America”, when some folks here spontaneously start to march and chant the national anthem.

-S

P.S. by the way fucking CLEARLY the fucking best fucking country in the fucking multiverse is fucking NAURU.

[Gkhan]

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
If one country is THE BESTEST EVA! the other ones are worse. And the way it sounds, they are WAY worse in the eyes of the stars and stripes cheerleaders.
[/quote]

Not neccessarily.

But it is interesting to see just how many people hate the US.

When you bring up policies the other countries (European, Muslim) had, we are not allowed to talk about them, because they were all “done in the past”.

This to me is a cop out.

How come these American bashers can bring up Vietnam, Nicaragua, ect, but when we go back and talk about atrocities committed by the Europeans or Muslims when they were in the top spot, it’s out of bounds.

Is this why they bash what we are doing? Because it makes them feel good to be able point the finger at a country and say they are wrong, when, if the situation was reversed, they would be doing the same thing or worse?

[orion]

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
If one country is THE BESTEST EVA! the other ones are worse. And the way it sounds, they are WAY worse in the eyes of the stars and stripes cheerleaders.

Not neccessarily.

But it is interesting to see just how many people hate the US.

When you bring up policies the other countries (European, Muslim) had, we are not allowed to talk about them, because they were all “done in the past”.

This to me is a cop out.

How come these American bashers can bring up Vietnam, Nicaragua, ect, but when we go back and talk about atrocities committed by the Europeans or Muslims when they were in the top spot, it’s out of bounds.

Is this why they bash what we are doing? Because it makes them feel good to be able point the finger at a country and say they are wrong, when, if the situation was reversed, they would be doing the same thing or worse?[/quote]

Clearly a strawman.

We can discuss our countries problems and past all you want, we do however not except a “well, the holocaust was worse” as the justification for every mistake the US makes.

[Gkhan]

[quote]orion wrote:
Clearly a strawman.

We can discuss our countries problems and past all you want, we do however not except a “well, the holocaust was worse” as the justification for every mistake the US makes.

[/quote]

Not a straw man:

Schwarzfahrer told me to stop bringing up the past because it is not revelant. I think it is.

“a “well, the holocaust was worse” as the justification for every mistake the US makes.”

This is how your side continually argues: bringing up the vietnam war, nicaragua, how many dictators the US overthrew, the fact that WE bankrupted the USSR (!?!?)

Was it you who blamed WWI, WWII, Hitler, The Holocaust, the creation of the USSR, and the exportation of Communism, the Cold War and the current War on Terror all on the United States??? Some one did. I remember reading it. (Some one said if the US didn’t participate in WWI, none of the events which followed would have happened.) Was it you?

If using the Holocaust as justification for every mistake the US makes is wrong, what about using the US as a fall guy for every mistake the world makes?

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Orion, you can post links but you are just picking and choosing you are you not posting completely.

The U.S. is the oldest continuous democracy.

Go ahead, type it in your internet (created by the U.S.) and tell me what comes up. We both know.

We can also discuss direct and parliamentary democracy, but we’ve been down this road. I’ve already pointed out the flaws in your examples. You incomplete poster you.

I know this just chaps your hide and I really like that. I hope it is the worm that wiggles in your brain for ages.

You hate that America is a world power and your country isn’t. It’s okay. We are used to it, the wannabe’s who can’t play in our league always get bent.

I don’t know what you are hoping to accomplish. I live here so I do think I have a better grasp at what it is to be an American than you do. I know the Americans around me and that is probably a lot more than you know if you know any at all.

Oldest continous Democracy.

Democracy: Define it.

Please keep in mind that if its white male suffrage there are older continuous parliaments.

If it is male suffrage there are older continous parliaments.

If it is universal suffrage, there are parliaments beating you by decades, both active and passive right to vote.

And again, black people had the right to vote, but society made it often impossible, which made you a Democracy in name only, like the GDR.

Continuous: Define that.

The US of today has 50 states, the original had 13.

Between 1860 and 1866 the US were two states, the Confederation and the US.

I am interested to see how you`ll make that work.

Plus, I can show you websites “proving” that we are ruled by reptilian overlords.

[/quote]

Orion we are done. We can go tit-for-tat over and over again.

and you don’t know the history of the U.S. if you think the Civil War created two separate sovereign nations out of the U.S.

It chaps your hide but I am glad you’ve spent some time educating yourself on history, too bad a lot of it was wrong or more apt, skewed.

and of course I am still chuckling that you had to spend so much time thinking about my country.

Maybe you don’t know any Americans outside of the internet which is a shame. I would bet you would like them.

Dislike our policies, but try to take people on a case by case basis as you meet them.

[orion]

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

If using the Holocaust as justification for every mistake the US makes is wrong, what about using the US as a fall guy for every mistake the world makes?

[/quote]

Because A) is using the holocaust to justify everything short of concentration camps and B) is a little whining and the inability to accept that your own actions have consequences.

The second is merely pathetic the first can, and has, become murderous.

[orion]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Orion we are done. We can go tit-for-tat over and over again.

and you don’t know the history of the U.S. if you think the Civil War created two separate sovereign nations out of the U.S.

It chaps your hide but I am glad you’ve spent some time educating yourself on history, too bad a lot of it was wrong or more apt, skewed.

and of course I am still chuckling that you had to spend so much time thinking about my country.

Maybe you don’t know any Americans outside of the internet which is a shame. I would bet you would like them.

Dislike our policies, but try to take people on a case by case basis as you meet them.
[/quote]

So in other words you have no way to show me where I went wrong but you pity me for my anti-Americanism and other shortcomings, while your patriotism is in part rooted in fairy tales that do not hold water under closer scrutiny.

USA, USA and stuff, who cares about historic facts?

You remember the title of the thread " Why the America bashing"?

Frankly given all the responses, including yours, I do not know anymore.

Since arguments and reason are no longer able to penetrate your armour of arrogant stubborness maybe the only way to get through to people like you is violence.

When the next bomb goes off, just remember, they hate you for your freedom.

Yeah, right.

[orion]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Orion we are done. We can go tit-for-tat over and over again.

and you don’t know the history of the U.S. if you think the Civil War created two separate sovereign nations out of the U.S.

It chaps your hide but I am glad you’ve spent some time educating yourself on history, too bad a lot of it was wrong or more apt, skewed.

and of course I am still chuckling that you had to spend so much time thinking about my country.

Maybe you don’t know any Americans outside of the Internet which is a shame. I would bet you would like them.

Dislike our policies, but try to take people on a case by case basis as you meet them.
[/quote]

And there´s another thing.

You think we critisize because we do not know you.

IF, we suddenly came to know and understand you, we would see things like you do.

No.

We know you. We understand your reasons. We also had our cities actually turned into parking lots, so we know what it looks like to be on the business end of war.

And our answer is NO.

Whatever your politicians sell you to scare you into war, we need more to agree to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands.

We actually believe that an Iraqi live is worth as much as an American live.

So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.

[Gkhan]

[quote]orion wrote:

We know you. We understand your reasons. We also had our cities actually turned into parking lots, so we know what it looks like to be on the business end of war.

And our answer is NO.

We actually believe that an Iraqi live is worth as much as an American live.

So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.
[/quote]

Paragraph 1: Then why did France say it would think about using force against the Iranians if they aquire nuclear arms? Why are the British in Iraq? You do not speak for all Europeans or your leaders.

And what about India, Russia, Thailand, the Phillipines, and all of the other countries battling islamic terrorists right now? Do they share your views on this?

If a bomb kills a baby in Thailand and the person who does it glorifies God, do you think he gives a damn what the terrorist’s life is worth? So it cuts both ways.

And is the US likewise to blame for terrorist actions against the other countries in the world without any connection whatsoever to Iraq?

Our feelings about things are not unique in the world. A lot of countries are pleagued by islamic extremism and are using force to fight back.

Paragraph B: Who told you that we do not care about Iraqi civilians? It is obvious that the terrorsts are causing and using their deaths as propaganda against us, but if it were not for the insurrection, we would have been well out of Iraq a long time ago. (And a military base does not make a country a colony by any streach, Lixy.)

The terrorists or freedom fighters or insurrectionists are as much of a problem as the US in Iraq. And no, they wouldn’t have been there if it wasn’t for the invasion, they would be ruling the country as minions of Saddam torturing people slowly instead of blowing them up with car bombs and such…

[orion]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Orion, you can post links but you are just picking and choosing you are you not posting completely.

The U.S. is the oldest continuous democracy.

Go ahead, type it in your internet (created by the U.S.) and tell me what comes up. We both know.

We can also discuss direct and parliamentary democracy, but we’ve been down this road. I’ve already pointed out the flaws in your examples. You incomplete poster you.

I know this just chaps your hide and I really like that. I hope it is the worm that wiggles in your brain for ages.

You hate that America is a world power and your country isn’t. It’s okay. We are used to it, the wannabe’s who can’t play in our league always get bent.

I don’t know what you are hoping to accomplish. I live here so I do think I have a better grasp at what it is to be an American than you do. I know the Americans around me and that is probably a lot more than you know if you know any at all.

Oldest continous Democracy.

Democracy: Define it.

Please keep in mind that if its white male suffrage there are older continuous parliaments.

If it is male suffrage there are older continous parliaments.

If it is universal suffrage, there are parliaments beating you by decades, both active and passive right to vote.

And again, black people had the right to vote, but society made it often impossible, which made you a Democracy in name only, like the GDR.

Continuous: Define that.

The US of today has 50 states, the original had 13.

Between 1860 and 1866 the US were two states, the Confederation and the US.

I am interested to see how you`ll make that work.

Plus, I can show you websites “proving” that we are ruled by reptilian overlords.

Orion we are done. We can go tit-for-tat over and over again.

and you don’t know the history of the U.S. if you think the Civil War created two separate sovereign nations out of the U.S.

It chaps your hide but I am glad you’ve spent some time educating yourself on history, too bad a lot of it was wrong or more apt, skewed.

and of course I am still chuckling that you had to spend so much time thinking about my country.

Maybe you don’t know any Americans outside of the internet which is a shame. I would bet you would like them.

Dislike our policies, but try to take people on a case by case basis as you meet them.
[/quote]

Or, to put it into a nutshell:

Sting - Russians

[Gkhan]

Question:

Do you consider Russia a European country? If so, they have crushed an insurrection of their own in Chechnia. Yet you never hear too much about this. Why not? Are Chechen children not as important as, say, Iraqi children, or is it because of who is holding the guns?

Why is the US’s ever move put under a microscope and Russia gets a free pass to destroy a country, set up a Pro-Moscow dictatorship and not a word is said?

There have been some pathetic attempts on this forum to stick up for Russia and it’s actions, but in my opinion, if there is no excuse for the US’s actions, how could there be any for what Moscow did?

[Gkhan]

[quote]orion wrote:
The second is merely pathetic the first can, and has, become murderous.
[/quote]

So, you admit your arguments are pathetic?

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]orion wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

Orion we are done. We can go tit-for-tat over and over again.

and you don’t know the history of the U.S. if you think the Civil War created two separate sovereign nations out of the U.S.

It chaps your hide but I am glad you’ve spent some time educating yourself on history, too bad a lot of it was wrong or more apt, skewed.

and of course I am still chuckling that you had to spend so much time thinking about my country.

Maybe you don’t know any Americans outside of the Internet which is a shame. I would bet you would like them.

Dislike our policies, but try to take people on a case by case basis as you meet them.

And there´s another thing.

You think we critisize because we do not know you.

IF, we suddenly came to know and understand you, we would see things like you do.

No.

We know you. We understand your reasons. We also had our cities actually turned into parking lots, so we know what it looks like to be on the business end of war.

And our answer is NO.

Whatever your politicians sell you to scare you into war, we need more to agree to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands.

We actually believe that an Iraqi live is worth as much as an American live.

So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.

[/quote]

You still have no reading comprehension.

I said, fine, I get it, dislike our politics, meet the people, you might like an average everyday American.

Too caught up in the whole hate thing to actually understand what I wrote.

negotiate what? [quote]So sorry, but I am afraid that is not negotiable.[/quote]

and why do you use “we”? you really don’t speak for every Austrian, or is it you and the voices in your head?

[orion]

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
The second is merely pathetic the first can, and has, become murderous.

So, you admit your arguments are pathetic?[/quote]

If someone uses the US in this way it is pathetic.

If someone American uses those idiots to find comfort it also is pathetic.

[Gkhan]

[quote]orion wrote:
Or, to put it into a nutshell:

Sting - Russians

[/quote]

Yes, the Russians love their children too.

The only problem is we are now facing a foe who has completely de-humanized us. We are infidels to them and deserve nothing but death. That is the mindset of the foe we fight. Whether or not these people love their children is beyond the point. They hate us and our children and want to kill us. There can be no dealing with such people, imo.

edit: (I am talking about al-qaeda here, not the Iraqis)

[DrSkeptix]

Are there sociopaths contributing to this thread?

"Antisocial personality disorder (APD) is a psychiatric condition characterized by an individual’s common disregard for social rules, norms, and cultural codes, as well as impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others.
Central to identifying individuals exhibiting characteristics of the disorder is that they appear to experience a limited range of human emotions. This can explain their lack of empathy for the suffering of others, since they cannot experience the emotion associated with either empathy or suffering.

"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders defines antisocial personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated fights or assaults
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor obligations
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another"

One lunatic, a frequent poster, may fit criteria 2-7.

One thing about lunacy…it should not be an infectious disease. Do not catch it from the lunatic or sociopath. Ignore him; he is unworthy of response. And responding only encourages further childish and self-destructive behavior, eliciting only pity from responsible contributors.