[quote]Professor X wrote:
“Last word”.[/quote]
Good call.
I just want to announce that Bojo is my new favorite T-Nationer.
OOO!!! I’m so scared! 
I love it when some hippie-worshipper gets a hair up his ass, and feels compelled to post some brainless “fear my god or else” trash on here.
Please o please, bojo, save our souls!! Save us from ourselves!! LOL
[quote]Gregus wrote:
This thread is occupied with nothing more then just people that are just plain stupid with follower mentalities. Sometimes i doubt the sentience sp? of most humans.
Prof X excluded.[/quote]
The way you stated your post, you are included in the plain stupid group.
[quote]sharetrader wrote:
Rubbish! I could believe the moon was made of green cheese, how does this threaten you?[/quote]
Well geez, let me think…
Howsabout when you demand that we teach your little green cheese thingy in astronomy class? Because, you know, astronomy is just a bunch of theories. 
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
sharetrader wrote:
Rubbish! I could believe the moon was made of green cheese, how does this threaten you?
Well geez, let me think…
Howsabout when you demand that we teach your little green cheese thingy in astronomy class? Because, you know, astronomy is just a bunch of theories.
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You missed my point. I’m not against people opposing the teaching of ID in science classes. My point was that many posters went beyond this to attacking Christian beliefs. My opinion is that the vehemence of some of those attacks indicates an irrational fear of Christians and their beliefs.
[quote]larryb wrote:
pookie wrote:
sharetrader wrote:
To pookie and any who think like him/her:
Him/her? HIM/HER???
That does it, I’m getting a new alias.
How about pook-he?[/quote]
Hmmm. Sounds like a Korean menu item.
How about Pookie X? Sounds more manly, no?
“The member formerly known as pookie.” How long can those alias be anyway?
Something dripping with male juice. A cool name like Bruce or Elvis.
Earl? Dale, Budd, Jeff? Those 4 letters NASCAR names are macho, no?
Comic book name? These seem popular enough. Is Dr. Doom available? I always tought he had a cool suit. Scourge was fun too; getting rid of all the dumb supervillains Marvel had acquired throughout the years. Maybe something obscure like Galan of Taa. Might be too pretentious.
Maybe a T-Admin can make a contest of it… find a new name for pookie and win an empty can of Surge.
[quote]pookie wrote:
larryb wrote:
pookie wrote:
sharetrader wrote:
To pookie and any who think like him/her:
Him/her? HIM/HER???
That does it, I’m getting a new alias.
How about pook-he?
Hmmm. Sounds like a Korean menu item.
How about Pookie X? Sounds more manly, no?
“The member formerly known as pookie.” How long can those alias be anyway?
Something dripping with male juice. A cool name like Bruce or Elvis.
Earl? Dale, Budd, Jeff? Those 4 letters NASCAR names are macho, no?
Comic book name? These seem popular enough. Is Dr. Doom available? I always tought he had a cool suit. Scourge was fun too; getting rid of all the dumb supervillains Marvel had acquired throughout the years. Maybe something obscure like Galan of Taa. Might be too pretentious.
Maybe a T-Admin can make a contest of it… find a new name for pookie and win an empty can of Surge.
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T-rex?
[quote]sharetrader wrote:
You missed my point. I’m not against people opposing the teaching of ID in science classes. My point was that many posters went beyond this to attacking Christian beliefs. My opinion is that the vehemence of some of those attacks indicates an irrational fear of Christians and their beliefs.[/quote]
I see your point just fine. I’m glad you’re not one of the rabid folks who support the teaching of ID in science class.
Now would you call it an according to Hoyle “attack” on christian beliefs to call them irrational? How about equating them to fairy tales? Hmmm… maybe. People think of fairy tales as being silly and not intended to be taken seriously. A few posts ago, I offhandedly referred to you guys as “hippie-worshippers”.
I will agree with you. There’s been some mud slung around here. It happens. I mean, come on… how aggravating is it for some goofball to pop up and start saying that hurricane Katrina happened because of a gay pride celebration?
[quote]Gregus wrote:
DeepSouth wrote:
What “exactly” are they planning to teach when they say Intelligent Design?
Since that is the real issue…
To not teach evolution as a fact, but as the working theory that it is. It will also be thaught that there are ancient beliefs in case religion, where people have a different view of what happened. So what’s the problem with that?
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Non science belongs in church. It is the appropriate place for all things based upon religious belief. Evolutionary theory has been developed using scientific methods, whereas ID has not. There is no controversy among responsible scientists. If it is not related to science, it doesn’t belong in our schools. Otherwise we will wind up with a generation or more of religious idiots and woefully behind China, Korea and India in the scientifc arena.
[quote]KJ Bridgewater wrote:
You all (PX and Gregus excluded) are a bunch of sanctimonious pricks. If the tables were turned and it was religious people constantly dissing atheists you hypocrites would attack like rabid dogs. Then you turn around of this Ramen shyte.
You don’t believe in religion? Fine. But every “Ramen” call or reference to the flying spaghetti monster is nothing more than a childish insult to those who do.
This thread is the porterhouse of TubeSteak Boogies.[/quote]
Since when have religious people NOT “dissed” anyone and everyone who is not them? Queers, atheists, heretics, Moslems, Jews, et cetera, et cetera ad infinitem, have all at one time or another come under attack (and remain so) by religious people. I respect both Gregus and Prof X compared to a lot of other folks on these boards, but pull the corncob out and have a sense of humor about this.
I believe in God, yet the FSM does not piss me off. If that is all it takes for your beliefs to feel threatened, your faith must be smaller than that mustard seed I’ve heard tell about.
Religion and God are not one and the same. God always was, is and always shall be (as I understand it). Religions come and go like the HUMANS that invent them. Prior to Christianity and Judaism, the many religions of polytheism were in place for thousands of years. Before that we were probably animists of some sort. In a few thousand years something else will be on the rise.
The FSM is just plain funny. Get over it.
WMD
[quote]orion wrote:
KJ Bridgewater wrote:
You all (PX and Gregus excluded) are a bunch of sanctimonious pricks. If the tables were turned and it was religious people constantly dissing atheists you hypocrites would attack like rabid dogs. Then you turn around of this Ramen shyte.
You don’t believe in religion? Fine. But every “Ramen” call or reference to the flying spaghetti monster is nothing more than a childish insult to those who do.
This thread is the porterhouse of TubeSteak Boogies.
It seems to have escaped your attention, but religious people are constantly insulting atheists. You know, burning in hell for our sins, not letting gay people marry because “it?s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve”.
I?m not even counting those that blow shit up for Allah, or murder in front of an abortion clinic for Jesus.
And then there is Pat Robertson who is insulting me by being a member of my species. To share 98,5 % with a chimpanzee is one thing, but 100% with him?
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Good one…
[quote]pookie wrote:
Something dripping with male juice. [/quote]
Geez, Pookie. Talk about gay quote of the century.
[quote]Massif wrote:
pookie wrote:
Something dripping with male juice.
Geez, Pookie. Talk about gay quote of the century.[/quote]
OUCH!!! He’s got a point, pooks. That was just shy of ultra-hyper-mega-gay.
Wait for it…
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Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That makes even less sense. Again, unless all of you are about to start making posts about social workers who really don’t care about people, Recording artists who can’t sing, and cops who speed on the interstate for no damn reason, what is the point of even pointing out that there are actually some Christians who don’t act the part? Who is this news to and why does anyone care?
In all those example you gave, the bad seeds are the minority. In the case of Christianity, it’s the vast majority. It’s not “some” Christians, it’s “most” Christians.
This is false…it is EVERY Christian. Not one on the planet is perfect or without fault. I am not sure why this causes a problem for you as far as the concept is concerned…but then, you don’t seem to have the desire to understand any of it…which begs the question of why this enters your mind so much to the point that even feel the need to make parodies of it. That sure is a lot of contemplation for something you claim to have zero respect for.
The opposite of love is indifference, not hate.[/quote]
The problem is that Christians think they know how everybody else should live, when they can’t even manage their own lives with integrity. Consider Matthew 7:1-5, whatever version you wish. If you can’t walk the walk, don’t talk the talk. Why would you demand respect for something you don’t attempt to put into practice?
I am quite aware no one is “perfect”. If you and other Christians know this too, why don’t you leave the rest of us alone and live and let live? Why should anyone listen to someone who is as imperfect as they are tell them how to live or what’s sinful and what is not? Would you go for exercise advice to someone who is a fat disgusting slob or would you go to someone who is fit and athletic? Same principle.
I have no respect for hypocrites of any sort.
Oh and it enters our minds because good Christian folk can’t shut up about it. I wish they’d read and practice Matthew chapter 6 entire. They keep trying to make it part of law and education and politics and french fries and every other fucking thing.
Cthulu and FSM 4-ever!
[quote]bojo wrote:
I’m glad to see that there are those of you who are firmly convinced that Christianity is just a “fairy tale”. You have no need to worry about the following.
Dr. Rawlings, a devout atheist, “considered all religion “hocus-pocus” and death nothing more than a painless extinction”. But something happened in 1977 that brought a dramatic change in the life of Dr. Rawlings! He was resuscitating a man, terrified and screaming ? descending down into the flames of hell:
“Each time he regained heartbeat and respiration, the patient screamed, “I am in hell!” He was terrified and pleaded with me to help him. I was scared to death. . . Then I noticed a genuinely alarmed look on his face. He had a terrified look worse than the expression seen in death! This patient had a grotesque grimace expressing sheer horror! His pupils were dilated, and he was perspiring and trembling ? he looked as if his hair was “on end.”
Then still another strange thing happened. He said,“Don’t you understand? I am in hell. . . Don’t let me go back to hell!” . . .the man was serious, and it finally occurred to me that he was indeed in trouble. He was in a panic like I had never seen before.”
(Maurice Rawlings, Beyond Death’s Door,(Thomas Nelson Inc., 1979) p. 3).
Dr. Rawlings said, no one, who could have heard his screams and saw the look of terror on his face could doubt for a single minute that he was actually in a place called hell!
The following article appeared in the well respected Finland newspaper, Ammenusastia
“As a communist I don?t believe in heaven or the Bible but as a scientist I now believe in hell,” said Dr. Azzacove. "Needless to say we were shocked to make such a discovery. But we know what we saw and we know what we heard. And we are absolutely convinced that we drilled through the gates of hell!"Dr. Azzacove continued, “. . .the drill suddenly began to rotate wildly, indicating that we had reached a large empty pocket or cavern. Temperature sensors showed a dramatic increase in heat to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.”“We lowered a microphone, designed to detect the sounds of plate movements down the shaft. But instead of plate movements we heard a human voice screaming in pain! At first we thought the sound was coming from our own equipment.”“But when we made adjustments our worst suspicions were confirmed. The screams weren?t those of a single human, they were the screams of millions of humans!”
The Birmingham News, April 10, 1987 had an article entitled “Earth’s Center Hotter Than Sun’s Surface, Scientists Say”. The article stated that scientists have recently discovered, “THE EARTH’S INNER CORE HAS A TEMPERATURE OF OVER 12,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT!”
As you leave your body ? you realize something is happening. You hear a sound. . . getting louder and louder. . . screaming . . .weeping. . . wailing. Terror and fear beyond anything you could imagine overtakes you. “This can?t be happening!” you scream. Your nostrils are filling with the awful stench of burning souls. Your face ignites from the heat. Flames are now blazing from your eyes, nostrils, ears, mouth ? every opening in your body, flames are roaring out. Your body is sizzling and crackling from the flames.
Your body is now madly thrashing and convulsing from the horrible pain. “Why don?t I die?”, you scream. You begin weeping and gnashing your teeth with the millions. “When will this pain stop?” But you know it will never stop. . .
The darkness is so terrifying, it begins engulfing you. You feel something moving in the darkness. . . something horrible is happening. “No! No! This can?t be happening” you scream ? as your worm is emerging.
You begin cursing the day you were born. You scream ? “Oh God, why didn?t you warn me?”? but you remember the preacher pleading with you to receive Jesus Christ. You remember reading that gospel tract. You cry ? “God don?t you care?” ? but you remember John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,. . .” “God is a God of love ? He won’t allow this”, you cry ? but you remember John 3:36, “. . . he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
I got this from an interesting sight http://www.av1611.org/hell.html for those who might want to laugh make fun of it and read another ?fairy tale?.
I?m glad that you guys are confident in your choice to ignore Christianity, Intelligent Design, and faith in God. Good luck with that.
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That audio clip was hilarious. Please keep posting.
[quote]CaptainLogic wrote:
harris447 wrote:
bojo wrote:
Take this for what it is worth. I?m sure that most will dismiss it as random occurrence. On August 31st a parade was to be held in New Orleans titled Southern Decadence. This is a gay pride parade and week of partying that is said to make Mardi Gras look tame.
Random occurrence that Katrina hit two days before that parade and likely took lives of those who were participating in the parade? Meaning of the name Katrina: Greek: Pure, innocent. Some random occurrence huh?
So…god was punishing the homos?
While also killing way more innocent people and causing mass suffering…but it was worth it![/quote]
Intelligent designer at work…
[quote]sharetrader wrote:
larryb wrote:
sharetrader wrote:
… But I also think a lot of the comment on this thread showed that some people find Christians and their beliefs threatening for some reason.
When those beliefs require ignoring evidence, logic, and reason, then they are threatening, as well as directly harmful.
Rubbish! I could believe the moon was made of green cheese, how does this threaten you?[/quote]
When you turn it into a law and insist everone else believe on pain of imprisonment or death. Or if you decide to blow up and abortion clinic because you so fervently believe in the Green Cheese Moon. Or you beat some gay guy to death because the Holy Book of the Green Cheese Moon says it is abomination to be gay. Stuff like that.
I don’t think anyone here has a problem with the faith in and of itself, at least I don’t. The problem arises when the faithful can’t control themselves and begin to insist everyone else believe it, too or you’re goin’ to hell or you have to die or some such thing. While no one has said such a thing yet on this thread, this is the frequent behavior of Christians in our culture. And throughout history.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
I see your point just fine. I’m glad you’re not one of the rabid folks who support the teaching of ID in science class.
Now would you call it an according to Hoyle “attack” on christian beliefs to call them irrational? How about equating them to fairy tales? Hmmm… maybe. People think of fairy tales as being silly and not intended to be taken seriously. A few posts ago, I offhandedly referred to you guys as “hippie-worshippers”.
I will agree with you. There’s been some mud slung around here. It happens. I mean, come on… how aggravating is it for some goofball to pop up and start saying that hurricane Katrina happened because of a gay pride celebration?[/quote]
I don’t object to people saying Christian belief is irrational, although I happen to think rational/irrational is not a particularly helpful continuum in relation to faith. Obviously people are entitled to consider others’ beliefs irrational and to express that opinion, but the fact is that we all have beliefs that are irrational. So long as we don’t confuse them with science, that’s OK.
As regards goofballs and Katrina, I think silence is the best response. Lumping such beliefs with mainstream Christianity is not valid.
Another comment on why people these days find Christians threatening: I suspect it is partly because they are “local”, numerous and share many, but not all, of the values of secular people in western society. Western secularism doesn’t seem to think it is threatened by animism, or even Hinduism or Buddhism. No-one goes around poking fun at reincarnation or karma. Nor do people think Jewish beliefs should be ridiculed.
[quote]sharetrader wrote:
No-one goes around poking fun at reincarnation or karma. Nor do people think Jewish beliefs should be ridiculed.
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Good point… of course, there’s not an outcry of “religious persecution by heathen atheist ultra-liberals” from the Hindu community when we don’t teach the “Vedic Conception of Sound in Four Features” as a part of physics class.
So we have to ask ourselves if the christians didn’t bring this upon themselves in a way. No other religious group is crying foul over our science curriculum, probably because they have enough sense to realize that their creation myths are actual MYTHS.
But hey, maybe that’s just me. Call me silly for wondering why people take the holy bible as a literal word-for-word truthful account of history. No metaphor? No exaggerations? Not even a little bit? Okay… I guess it’s your own life, you live it however you want.
[quote]WMD wrote:
When you turn it into a law and insist everone else believe on pain of imprisonment or death. Or if you decide to blow up and abortion clinic because you so fervently believe in the Green Cheese Moon. Or you beat some gay guy to death because the Holy Book of the Green Cheese Moon says it is abomination to be gay. Stuff like that.[/quote]
I don’t do any of the above. Most of the world’s Christians don’t do any of the above.
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I don’t think anyone here has a problem with the faith in and of itself, at least I don’t. The problem arises when the faithful can’t control themselves and begin to insist everyone else believe it, too or you’re goin’ to hell or you have to die or some such thing.[/quote]
Agreed
Agree on the history aspect - at least some of the time. But don’t agree that it is a dominant characteristic of modern Christians. Characteristic of a particular brand of modern Christian, yes, but they are a minority - even in the US.