Alternative to Intelligent Design

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
pookie wrote:
… Do you respect and honor Santa Claus because millions of kids think he’s the real thing? Me neither.

Absolutely. He brings joy to my children and millions of others. Why would I want to tear down the myth of Santa Clause?

Wait till they make laws because “Santa Claus said so”. You?ll see the problem then.

I see 2 problems.

ID has no place in science class because there is nothing scientific about it. I do understand this problem.

The other problem I see is people trying to belittle others beliefs.

As long as you are not strapping a bomb to yourself and getting on a bus in the name of god I generally don’t get into telling someone their faith is bullshit.
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Well, then I get angry much sooner than you. I usually get angry if people try to get laws passed, based on their religious beliefs.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Talk all of the smack you want, it’s not like people like myself, PX, Disc Hoss, RainJack etc. go around condemning “unbelievers”.

Hey, dumbass, being called a God hater and a moral relativist isn’t a condemnation?

Did you say something about hypocrisy?[/quote]

Hey Vroom,

The point is that by participating in the FSM crap you’re not better than the people calling you a God hater. THAT is hypocrisy.

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[quote]orion wrote:
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Well, then I get angry much sooner than you. I usually get angry if people try to get laws passed, based on their religious beliefs. [/quote]

Perhaps. I am much calmer than I used to be because these things tend to work themselves out.

I disagree with teaching ID in schools. The religous right often pisses me off too.

I try not to lump all people that have some belief in a higher power with religous extremists.

I see some of this thread as an attack on all people that have faith. Some of the thread is also funny.

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Which brings us to the next important question. If a unicorn is pink but invisible, is it therefore actually pink.

Look, the whole debate is over wheather a “faith” based teaching should be tought in public schools. Clearly it should not because those things are tought in churches and sunday schools. Why do people need to have people outside of thier religion hear thier teachings? Clearly it is aimed at being a recruitment tool. Otherwise they would be happy with teaching it to thier own members in thier normal setting. If people were truly concerned about thier children not being taught about creation then they should bring it up with thier pastors and sunday school or religion teachers.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Orbitalboner wrote:
If I were presented with a cult of pink elephants,

Actually, it’s an Invisible Pink Unicorn.[/quote]

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Which brings us to the next important question. If a unicorn is pink but invisible, is it therefore actually pink. [/quote]

“Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can’t see them.”
[center]-Steve Eley[/center]

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Whoever said I was supposed to be better than someone else?

Am I casting negative aspersions at people that haven’t been touched by His Noodly Appendage? No. I am merely discussing an alternative religion and celebrating its merits.

How come it is alright for Christians to do this but not Pastafarians? That sounds like religious discrimination to me. Was the US not founded on the principle that people are free to choose their own beliefs?

The fact that Pastafarian beliefs are not necessarily compatible with Christian beliefs in no way means that I should not be allowed to practice them.

You really need to think about why you are objecting on this thread. The fact you don’t “like” something says nothing about whether or not it is right for others to say or do that same something. You’ll have to come up with something more significant than that.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
if i have to “define” it to you then the point is clearly lost on you.[/quote]

Go on, Gregus, give it a try nonetheless.

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No, that’s “returning a favor”.

You’re welcome.

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[quote]Miserere wrote:
Gregus wrote:
if i have to “define” it to you then the point is clearly lost on you.

Go on, Gregus, give it a try nonetheless.[/quote]

No no, he’s clearly too subtle for us neanderthals.

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[quote]KJ Bridgewater wrote:
The point is that by participating in the FSM crap you’re not better than the people calling you a God hater. THAT is hypocrisy. [/quote]

Hypocrisy is also saying that you believe in words, but then acting contrary to it. Lip service believers, in other words.

For example: this thread. You don’t like it? What happened to “Love your enemies; do good to those that hurt you?” How about “Pray for those who hurt you?” Turn the other cheek and all that? You are aware that there is a moral message of love and forgiveness in the Bible, right?

By the way, in the same sermon, Jesus says to give all your possessions to any that ask. Well, I’m asking. I’ll be setting up a PayPal account and I’m asking all faithful Christians to give me all their money. You can also sell your luxuries and forward the profits to me.

Let’s see how many really believe, and how many are cowardly hypocrites who’ll talk the talk but won’t walk the walk. Words are cheap; show me the money. Literally.

If your faith is threatened by little threads on T-Nation, it hasn’t got a chance against your own greed.

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Pookie,

I’m not going to play your silly games.

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[quote]KJ Bridgewater wrote:
Pookie,

I’m not going to play your silly games.[/quote]

Translation:

Pookie,

I don’t know my own religion well enough to argue with you.

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“Pastafarians”?? LMFAO!

I’m sorry, but only a sanctimonious prick would not be able to laugh at FSM, Ramen, and his noodly appendage. This is brilliant sutff. My girlfriend is religious, and she’s loving this.

I applaud any dig at the anti-science religious right trying to shove their fairy tales and myths down the throats of children.

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Ouch!

I see some christians got a little bristly on this thread.

Good.

A science class is for teaching science. ID is not, by definition, science. Whenever a school board says “you will teach ID in public schools’ science classes”, then I better see evolution (which is actual science) forced to be taught in sunday school.

It is exactly the same thing.

“But you can’t! Separation of church and state! The government can’t force anything to mess with my religion!”

Aha! The door swings both ways. Your religion can’t mess with my government-mandated public institution.

Make your choice, religious folks.

Of course, you could always declare that science is a horrible thing, and you don’t want your kids exposed to it. The Amish do that. Take your kids out of school. Teach them at home. Tell them all the BS you want.

“That’s right, Billy. When you flip the switch on the wall, a tiny little green orangutan inside the light bulb disco-dances really fast, and heats up the element in the bulb, and it glows.”

How ironic that people who believe in some ultrahuman benevolent being would get so upset over a joke. I’m sorry, but you guys are being ridiculous here… not just by telling yourselves that the Easter bunny is real, but just to think for one second that your precious holy overseer doesn’t have a sense of humor.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
By the way, in the same sermon, Jesus says to give all your possessions to any that ask. Well, I’m asking. I’ll be setting up a PayPal account and I’m asking all faithful Christians to give me all their money. You can also sell your luxuries and forward the profits to me.
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I already have an account set up for this, pookie. I haven’t met a real christian yet. Maybe if I had bad hair and a TV show where I slap people upside the head and proclaim “the devil has washed out of you!”, then things would be different.

Actually, I’m going to try that. I’ll get back to you.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

Why do people need to have people outside of thier religion hear thier teachings? Clearly it is aimed at being a recruitment tool. Otherwise they would be happy with teaching it to thier own members in thier normal setting. If people were truly concerned about thier children not being taught about creation then they should bring it up with thier pastors and sunday school or religion teachers.

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Ahhh, you’re soooo close. Actually, the point is to teach it to the young, impressionable minds in school. Indoctrinate the young; it worked for the Hitler youth. Their minds are much more flexible because they don’t have the life experiences yet to know bullshit when it’s being fed to them. This is why the religous right keeps hammering on trying to get into public schools, whether it is through ID or through prayer in school. Get 'em while they’re young.
Teach science (evolution) in schools.
Teach religion (ID, creationism) in church or Sunday school. If you don’t like it, send your child to a private school or home school them.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Which brings us to the next important question. If a unicorn is pink but invisible, is it therefore actually pink.

V
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It’s a matter of faith.

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[quote]KJ Bridgewater wrote:
Pookie,

I’m not going to play your silly games.[/quote]

I’m not expecting to see a single penny. I am fully expecting the see excuses, rationalizations, word games, clever semantic tricks, backpedaling and general weaseling out of the teachings of Jesus. I was expecting a bit better than the Sermon on the Mount being refered too as a “silly game.” Tell me, which part of the following is not clear to you:

Luke 6:30 (New Living Translation)
30 Give what you have to anyone who asks you for it; and when things are taken away from you, don’t try to get them back.

I’ve never met a true Christian. I’ve met a lot of self-proclaimed Christians, who are so in name only; and even then, only when it is not too inconvenient for them. I don’t expect to find any different here.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
KJ Bridgewater wrote:
Pookie,

I’m not going to play your silly games.

I’m not expecting to see a single penny. I am fully expecting the see excuses, rationalizations, word games, clever semantic tricks, backpedaling and general weaseling out of the teachings of Jesus. I was expecting a bit better than the Sermon on the Mount being refered too as a “silly game.” Tell me, which part of the following is not clear to you:

Luke 6:30 (New Living Translation)
30 Give what you have to anyone who asks you for it; and when things are taken away from you, don’t try to get them back.

I’ve never met a true Christian. I’ve met a lot of self-proclaimed Christians, who are so in name only; and even then, only when it is not too inconvenient for them. I don’t expect to find any different here.
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I was waiting on you to slip up and post the actual scripture. This is the King James Version:
Luke chapter 6:27-30

"27 ?But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back.

It isn’t saying give everything you own away to anyone who asks and I amazed that you took it that way. Don’t spread bullshit simply because you misunderstand the scripture. You are the type who look for what you want to see in the Bible and then try to use it against those who really do believe in God.

The real message there is to be an example. To give when asked of you, however, no man is expected to give until they can’t survive themselves.

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Maybe I’m being a little silly, but correct me if I’m wrong.

Evolution is scientific fact and occurs everyday around us. Slowly plants, animals and humans change into other things. There is divergent evolution and convergent evolution. Why are people taller than they were hundreds of years ago, why aren’t the any black-furred bunnies in the artic, why do whales have fins like fish? All evolution.

But who was the fuck-fuck that thought this explained how the planets were created and the orginal little bits of atoms were placed everywhere?

Creationism shouldn’t be taught in schools and neither should this bastardization of actual evolution. Show genetic evolution through thousands of generations of fruit flies. Stop saying that people came from apes who came from dinosaurs who crawled out of the ocean automatically invalidates the fact the is a God.