[quote]redgladiator wrote:
elih8er wrote:
I have taken three bottles over the past two years and noticed no changes what so ever.
I have taken 3 bottles over last 1 year and I didn’t notice any changes. I got 2 bottles left, I’ll be saving for when I’m sick or feeling run down or stressed out…[/quote]
I get a mad libido on them & increased appetite. I’ll buy yours from you if you don’t want 'em.
[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
Chris Colucci wrote:
Da Vinci wrote:
Supplements = Over-rated
Dude, that’s like saying dummbells are overrated. Sure, you can certainly get big and strong without them, but if you use them properly, they’re going to produce faster results.
Chris Colucci = Over-rated
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Ouch, you got me.
I kneel before Zod.
rofl, I have to admit that post made me laugh. I edited my post with a less idiotic one liner with my explaination as to why I feel supps are overrated.
Ha, looks like I snagged your original reply before you edited it. All in good fun, buddy.
[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
Don’t compare over-glorified supplements to sound training methods.[/quote]
Don’t worry, I’m not.
You’ll see that I specifically said “if you use them properly, they’re going to produce faster results.”
Someone who doesn’t have their training or nutrition already in line shouldn’t be using a fat burner. A 19 or 20 year old kid looking to jack up his Test levels shouldn’t be taking Alpha Male.
I agree.
I agree.
I disagree. It’s not the supplements that are overrated, it’s their misuse or people’s over-reliance on them that’s causing an issue.
It’s like, if I were to say “Geez, free weights are overrated.” But what I really mean is that I disagree with the way that some people use free weights to do half-rep movements and to follow poorly designed programs. I’d be placing the blame on the wrong target.
So, it’s not that supplements are overrated. It’s that people shouldn’t be stupid when using supplements.
Almost all supplements in my opinion give only marginal improvements unless you’re talking about supplementing some kind of deficiency. Any slight edge they may bestow upon the user isn’t worth the money, especially with respect to some of the more expensive products.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Wow, loose moderation on this thread… It’s only $50 or so on this site with free shipping, so why would anyone pay $80 at a shop for it?
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um maybe because it’s backordered
[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
Almost all supplements in my opinion give only marginal improvements unless you’re talking about supplementing some kind of deficiency. Any slight edge they may bestow upon the user isn’t worth the money, especially with respect to some of the more expensive products.[/quote]
Indeed.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Tribulus and adex could actually be quite a nice little winning stack, with the ability to use it for much longer, without the effects of the trib diminishing.
BBB[/quote]
BBB,
So what if Alpha Male or Trib extract (I was looking at Trib powder) was used for 4 weeks, followed by 2-3 weeks of Arimidex, followed again by 4 weeks of Trib/AM ? Good strategy?
What are your thoughts on Trib+DHEA+Pregnenelone? I think I saw something about stacking Trib with DHEA but I have heard that some people need Preg with DHEA.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
If tribulus = higher test, and higher test = higher estrogen (as it will via the aromatase pathway), then tribulus = higher estrogen.
If the OP already has gyno then I suggest that a lose dose of arimidex (legal) would be better, since it will both reduce estrogen and therfore increase test via negative feedback.
BBB
True but does a higher natural test level equate to a higher aromatase as would unnaturally high exogenous androgen levels?
But, I see what you are saying if he has gyno.
D
Rate of aromatase is proportional to the amount of testosterone as well as the amount of aromatase enzyme. Assuming the amount of enzyme remains constant (i.e. the user doesn’t gain visceral fat), then if testosterone levels increase, so will estrogen, proportionately.
The increased E will be ‘seen’ at the hypothalamus which will attempt to restore homeostasis by reducing T production. This is why tribulus, etc will only work for about 3-5 weeks; it takes roughly that long for the feedbal loop to take effect.
However, if one was to use a little adex (lets say 0.125mg twice per week) either with or without the tribulus, T would likely be elevated, due to the same (but reversed) principle, i.e low E levels will be seen at the hypothalamus, which will then seek to boost them by producing more T (which will be converted to E).
Tribulus and adex could actually be quite a nice little winning stack, with the ability to use it for much longer, without the effects of the trib diminishing.
BBB[/quote]
Now that’s interesting.
Wouldn’t Alpha Male + REZ-V be the ideal combo then?
[quote]Kassad wrote:
Wouldn’t Alpha Male + REZ-V be the ideal combo then?[/quote]
For me this is true. REZ-V is staple sup for me and I run Alpha Male cycles periodically.
D
[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
Any slight edge they may bestow upon the user isn’t worth the money, especially with respect to some of the more expensive products.[/quote]
I have to disagree again, and I’m thinking you might be talking theoretically, rather than from direct experience.
You’re in pretty solid shape now but, for example, if you were to give something like Surge Workout Fuel a fair trial run, I’m thinking your tune might change.
Again though, it’s about matching the proper supplements with the correct goals. A 350-pound guy would be better served streamlining his training and nutrition, rather than picking up a fat burner.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Da Vinci wrote:
Any slight edge they may bestow upon the user isn’t worth the money, especially with respect to some of the more expensive products.
I have to disagree again, and I’m thinking you might be talking theoretically, rather than from direct experience.
You’re in pretty solid shape now but, for example, if you were to give something like Surge Workout Fuel a fair trial run, I’m thinking your tune might change.
Again though, it’s about matching the proper supplements with the correct goals. A 350-pound guy would be better served streamlining his training and nutrition, rather than picking up a fat burner.[/quote]
It may serve you well to not assume you have knowledge of one’s personal experience as I am basing these judgments not simply from training people myself, but from experimenting with them personally in the past. Agree to disagree I suppose. Also I have to mention for my own integrity that I am not against the use of all supplements.
I supplement with protein powders, I take creatine, fish oil, a shit ton of caffeine because all of them have proven to be cost effective for the results. The problem in my eyes are these guys who want to spend $400 a month on supplements like T-boosters, estrogen blockers etc. I see things like that to be complete marketing schemes.
[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
It may serve you well to not assume you have knowledge of one’s personal experience as I am basing these judgments not simply from training people myself, but from experimenting with them personally in the past.[/quote]
Very fair. It was my mistake to presuppose.
I’d freakin’ love if more threads could end up in this direction, rather than becoming flame wars.
Good on ya, bud. And I think in the end, we agree on more points than we disagree. But it’s cool either way.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Da Vinci wrote:
It may serve you well to not assume you have knowledge of one’s personal experience as I am basing these judgments not simply from training people myself, but from experimenting with them personally in the past.
Very fair. It was my mistake to presuppose.
Agree to disagree I suppose.
I’d freakin’ love if more threads could end up in this direction, rather than becoming flame wars.
Good on ya, bud. And I think in the end, we agree on more points than we disagree. But it’s cool either way.[/quote]
Agreed
now give each other a hug and a kiss. xD
rofl, fuck you sonic.