(Almost) First cycle ever. Need your opinions

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Hi guys,

I’m planning to have my (almost) first cycle ever.

Why almost? Because I have been using Anavar on its own, for 6 weeks, a couple of months ago.

A bit of background about myself and about the Anavar cycle.

I’m 32 yo, been training hard from 17 to 24. I am 1m68 tall, started at 59kg, made it up to 81kg (not really lean but not really fat either), then cut to 72kg. I ate “properly”, but definitely not in an optimal way. I did look better than most natty and some bad gear users.

I stopped for a while, been on and off the gym between 24 to 28yo.

From 28 to 32, I have maintening an above average physical look at around 68kg, probably never higher than 18% bodyfat with irregular home workouts made of push ups and abs.

Overall, I have quite a good genetic and many times in the past people were saying that I was on the juice, whereas I was not.

Anyway, I stopped smoking 6 months ago and started training again together with a very good diet. I went from 68kg to 66kg the first month as I wanted to lose some fat and have a good basis to start again with. I also took Anavar for 6 weeks (40mg a day week 1, 50mg week 2 to 5, 60mg a day week 6).

After 6 weeks of Anavar, a solid diet and godlike workouts, I was at 70kg. 3 kg out ot 4 is easily lean mass gain.

I didn’t have a PCT, because I actually didn’t feel like I needed to take additional drugs. I kept all gains ever since.

I’d like to let spring and summer go, then move on to:

Test E + Turinabol cycle as follows:

Test E:

Week 1, 2, 3: 200mg/week
Week 4, 5, 6, 7: 250mg/week
Week 8, 9, 10, 11, 12: 300mg/week

Tbol:

Week 7, 8: 40mg/day
Week 9, 10: 50mg/day
Week 11, 12: 60mg/day

… 14 days off …

PCT:

Week 14, 15, 16, 17: Nolva 20mg/day

Additionally, on a daily basis (next to my diet), my supplements are

  • Protein
  • Creatine
  • Taurine
  • Royal Jelly
  • Pre-Workout

Without going too much into details, my workouts are intensive, max 1h, focusing on hypertrophy, pumps, volume and intensity variation. Generally 5 times/week.

I have no interest in competitions and only do all this for myself and personal satisfaction.

The above PCT may seem low but I am against the principle of taking drugs if not needed. I’ll start with this and see how it goes.

Also, I’ll have Arimidex at hand just in case. I won’t use the often said 0,5mg EOD just as a preventive action.

Just like PCT, I am totally against using a drug if not needed, and for the latter, crash estrogen for no reason.

I think I said it all. I am open to question but also looking forward to read some advice, suggested adjustments and other related improvement to this first planned cycle.

Thanks guys!

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Try just posting a picture instead of insisting that people think you’re on gear.

Just start at 300mg a week, and extend to 16 weeks.

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Other than recommending you have a solid foundation before even considering gear…? Why are you tapering up your dosages?

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Hi guys,

Well tapering up I thought a good idea to overcome any potential plateau.
I tend to think that omeostasis is one of the major brake to gains, not only apply to fitness/bodybuilding. Your body get used to dosage and that’s, imo one of the reason why juicing requires more and more dosage to advanced user. Just to be extreme in the picture but I don’t think that beginners dosage, which brings x times more Testo than any natty would have in his body, would bring gain to Jay Cutler.

Anyway, that’s me:

Picture deleted for confidentiality reasons

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You don’t just titrate up from 200mg to 20+grams weekly lol.

What is your end goal? What are you trying to look like by the time you’re “done”?

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Sorry English is not my mother tongue and I didn’t really get the meaning of titrate up in your sentence. I think I know what you mean though.

Well, in terms of achievement, I want to take the opportunity to focus and grow on my weaknesses like rear delts, calves, chest symmetry for example.

I don’t have any strength gains in mind, I’m completely on hypertrophy and intensity variations.

Overall, I want a more aesthetic look with bigger delts, bigger chest, mid of the back. I like Men’s physique more than other top Bodybuilding category for example. Still I think Men’s physique is now far from what the base concept was.

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Titrate means “changing dose”, in this case, it would be slowly changing dose up to some VERY large numbers.

If you think you have a lot of size to gain before you’ve reached your goal, and you see yourself living this type of lifestyle forever, I would consider not cycling your steroids at all. I would just blast and cruise… you’ve clearly already been going to the gym and have already lived this lifestyle, otherwise this is not what I would recommend.

There is a limit to how much muscle one can put on their body with only so much drugs, and there is a limit to how many drugs I am willing to take. When I find where that line is, and I’ve maxed out my gains from that dosage, I plan to cruise and maintain from there. This approach might make sense for you as well.

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You don’t taper a long ester in this short period of time. You’ll be bailing on your cycle not long after your highest dose reached peak concentration. Other than that I take back what I said about foundation.

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Thank you very much the both of you for your replies.

I agree then with your statements.

It seems that starting 300mg/week and keep that dosage for 12 weeks minimum would make more sense.

Actually there are two things I did not mention.

The first one is that I would like really like keepable gains or let’s say to avoid looking too different between on cycle and after cycle.

I don’t necessarily like the idea on gaining big size and the shrink even though I assume it would still be better than before the cycle.

For example, when I read/see very wet compounds like Dianabol, Anadrol, etc, these are things I’d like to avoid. I don’t like the look it gives to muscle and I don’t like the fact that you’ll be so different during and after the cycle.

That said, if you have better idea, better stack or simply advice, I’m all ears.

I would rather gain less muscles and keep almost all than the other way around. course when I talk about keepable gain, my efforts in terms of training, diet and lifestyle will be as much important after cycle as during cycle.

The second thing, I don’t really know what to think about tapering down at the end.

On the internet, most of the time, bro would say it makes no sense, shut down is shut down, get PCT.

But IRL, two people I know (and they don’t know each other), one was a pro bodybuilder, one an amateur men’s physique who told me they never had any PCT. They decrease the dosage during several weeks to get back to a much more natty test level and get away this way. Apparently, they never had any libido issue or most of dramatic symptoms I can read here and there.

What do you guys honestly think?

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Cycling and then PCT you are going to lose some of your gains. It’s just the process. Two steps forward and one back. Blast and cruise is more effective at muscle retention but then you’re “on” permanently and such does not seem fitting for your purposes. That’s more of a lifestyle for a career lifter or stage competitor.

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Thanks for your reply.

I agree, blast and cruise wouldn’t be suitable for me as I won’t dedicate my lifestyle to bodybuilding.

Last questions if I may:

  • would you say my idea of stacking Tbol could add more lean mass overall to a 300mg/week Test E cycle?

  • if so, is the idea of bringing it on the last 6 weeks good/makes sense and then I stop both compound s cold turkey week 12 or is it better from week 4 to 10, finishing off my last 2 weeks witt Test that will also make up for the Tbol shut down and then have a PCT week 14 ?

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Certainly.

Finishing with TBol is better than starting with it IMO. Another option is to run it weeks 8-14 so you have some anabolism while your test is clearing your system. Tbol will clear for PCT in about 3-4 days.

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Interesting indeed Tbol from W8 to 14, I didn’t think about that.

Thanks for your suggestions, and for taking the time to help me!

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I never did a cycle with this in mind. I looked to optimize the cycle and deal with keeping the gains off cycle. But keep in mind my goal was simply competing. So, off stage was irrelevant. That said, I usually kept my conditioning to look like I was 8 weeks out of a contest.

It was my experience that my gains seemed to plateau after 8 weeks on cycle. It was my thought that my binding sites became less sensitive, so I either got off cycle at 8 weeks, or if I were running a 12 week cycle I would make a step increase in AAS the last 6 weeks.

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It makes sense indeed in your case for competion purposes to optimize that way. I would act the same if it was my goal.

Regarding plateau, as the upcoming cycle will actually be my first one, I think that keeping the same dose throughout 12 weeks shouldn’t hinder my gains. Nevertheless, I’ll be monitoring the effect to potentially increase if needed. Let’s see, I wanna be flexible rather than blindly stick and not adapt.

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Just my two cents. If you’re cycling vs blast and cruise, it’s more important to get good quality gains during the cycle. If you are taking two steps forward and one step back, you’d want to make those two steps big ones. I’m not saying take a boat load of drugs, but I think you have a bit of room in the test dose. 400-500 mg/wk I think makes more sense. Good balance of risk and reward.

I’d also use HCG towards the end and during the bridge between the cycle and PCT.

I like tbol. Most I’ve run is 40 mg/day. You might need quite a bit of taurine to keep the back pumps at bay.

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Thank you for your reply!

About dosage, if I like this cycle, I may choose to cycle once or twice a year with the longest possible period between the on and off part, so that my body always get back to a proper test production and effective natural work.

So I thought starting low would allow me to make gains but most and foremost allow me to gently push the dosage up from one cycle to another, and at the same time keep the sides as light as possible.

I’m not saying the compound/combinations/cycle would always be the same with a higher dose but you got the idea:

Low dosage, sustainable gains and to have much room of improvement overtime and years to come.

I’m definitely not saying this is the best choice but I feel like it sounds like a smart way to keep progressing safely.