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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

Wow what a burn. If you dont like theese debates why are you watching them[/quote]

Just to see what the old gang is up to and to see if there had been any progress of thought.

You see, back in the day, I spent quite a bit of time here. I don’t see any of the guys who actually could uphold an interesting debate around any more (aside from maybe Zeb and even he still thinks Marijuana legalization will damn us all)…which may explain why so many of the topics on this page of the forum are carrying less than 500 views when they used to match all other forums.

Your thinking about these issues seems very limited and non-progressive or even retrogressive. I won’t waste any more time other than to point that out.

Have a great one![/quote]

Damn us all? No, not really. I just wonder what good it will do. I want to see things enacted that are actually going to move the country forward. People hanging out getting high doesn’t exactly look like it will improve our math scores, for example.
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Because hemp production couldn’t create jobs and taxing it couldn’t help us get out of this financial mess the last Prez left us in?[/quote]

I agree X, hemp will create a bunch of jobs and tax revenue, but this is more then just Bush’s fault.[/quote]

You have to remember, everything that is wrong in this country (and the world) is George Bush’s fault according to the left. Two years from now when the lefty leaves office they’ll still be blaming Bush. It’s called George Bush Derangement Syndrome, or BDS for short.
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???

Is that like how Conservatives blamed Clinton for everything throughout all 8 Bush years?

Let’s face it, our current economic situation is not because Obama wrecked everything in office. You have the previous 8 year marathon to thank for that.[/quote]

Is this one of those times that I can label you as being left? I’m going to try to keep track so that neither one of us is confused about where you fall politically.

As for your hero Obama, he’s been a disaster. In two years he raised the national debt far higher than Bush did in eight years in office. And as for national health care, we don’t even know all the horrors that are in that bill yet as, to my knowledge, no one who voted for it even read it. I do know that the facts are coming out in dribs and drabs and it’s not pretty.

As I said on another post, I’d vote for a monkey, a toad, anything as long as we could train it to reject every single Obama idea.

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If no one has read it, why would you reject it?[/quote]

Because no one has read it!

That is only partially true. The war began in 01’ and 9 years later only Obama’s watch does the debt triple? You sure you want to stick with that one?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
There is nothing Obama can do, the same way that there would be nothing McCain could do (if he won). Nothing the Dems, Libs, Repubs, Conservatives can do, nothing. This is where the government needs to basically “get out of the way” and let the private sector fix this mess. [/quote]

But the liberals will tell you that it’s the private sector that got us into this mess. And that’s the way the mainstream liberal media reported.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:

Wow what a burn. If you dont like theese debates why are you watching them[/quote]

Just to see what the old gang is up to and to see if there had been any progress of thought.

You see, back in the day, I spent quite a bit of time here. I don’t see any of the guys who actually could uphold an interesting debate around any more (aside from maybe Zeb and even he still thinks Marijuana legalization will damn us all)…which may explain why so many of the topics on this page of the forum are carrying less than 500 views when they used to match all other forums.

Your thinking about these issues seems very limited and non-progressive or even retrogressive. I won’t waste any more time other than to point that out.

Have a great one![/quote]

Damn us all? No, not really. I just wonder what good it will do. I want to see things enacted that are actually going to move the country forward. People hanging out getting high doesn’t exactly look like it will improve our math scores, for example.
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Because hemp production couldn’t create jobs and taxing it couldn’t help us get out of this financial mess the last Prez left us in?[/quote]

I agree X, hemp will create a bunch of jobs and tax revenue, but this is more then just Bush’s fault.[/quote]

You have to remember, everything that is wrong in this country (and the world) is George Bush’s fault according to the left. Two years from now when the lefty leaves office they’ll still be blaming Bush. It’s called George Bush Derangement Syndrome, or BDS for short.
[/quote]

???

Is that like how Conservatives blamed Clinton for everything throughout all 8 Bush years?

Let’s face it, our current economic situation is not because Obama wrecked everything in office. You have the previous 8 year marathon to thank for that.[/quote]

Clinton was not blamed for all 8 yrs, not even close.

Bush started the bailouts which were TERRIBLE, and Obama has continued the bailouts over and OVER. If you believe that bailouts were a bad (hint: they are) idea, you can probably blame bush 15% and Obama 85% for them economic mess…another equation for ya, actually more like a ratio.

So just tell me this, when can Obama begin to take respoinsibility for things not getting BETTER? (remember, things can be bad, but improving) .Should we just keep blaming Bush till the republican (whoever that may be) gets voted into office in 2012 and just make the jump to blaming them at that point and skip right over ever blaming Obama?

Honestly I feel that this past summer was about the threshold for when Obama can start taking responsibility.

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PROF X, I thought you were not wasting any more time here. I am glad you are back though. I think you add some contrast to most of us here. Oh I have over 500 views almost 1000

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PROF X, I thought you were not wasting any more time here. I am glad you are back though. I think you add some contrast to most of us here. Oh I have over 500 views almost 1000

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X, I blame Clinton for the .com bubble, which bush then used to create the housing bubble, now Obama is using to create a bond bubble. I blame them all equally. But Obama has added more the debt in 2 years then Bush did in 8.

You won’t find many people defending Bush, the bailouts he did in his last year or so really pissed off the conservatives. Once he said I am going to abandon the free markets to save the free markets it was over for him with many of the conservatives, but you can’t let your hatred of bush make you ignore all that Obama has done.

And I agree with you on Iraq.

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[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
You have to remember that the constitution was written by men with integrity and honor. 100 yrs laters you have lawyers and less than honest beurocrats and whoala welcome to our current mess. If you study the constitution and read actual words from the founders you will see where they gave us everything we needed.[/quote]

If you studied history, you would see most of the founders had some background in law or, in fact, were attorneys ie lawyers to the layperson.

This is of course an intriguing proposition, SUPER-T, as you seem to state that being a lawyer and integrity/honor are unable to coexist within one person.

Intriguing…

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
You have to remember that the constitution was written by men with integrity and honor. 100 yrs laters you have lawyers and less than honest beurocrats and whoala welcome to our current mess. If you study the constitution and read actual words from the founders you will see where they gave us everything we needed.[/quote]

If you studied history, you would see most of the founders had some background in law or, in fact, were attorneys ie lawyers to the layperson.

This is of course an intriguing proposition, SUPER-T, as you seem to state that being a lawyer and integrity/honor are unable to coexist within one person.

Intriguing…
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Many politicians at the national level continue to have come from lawyer/legal backgrounds.

Plus ca change…?

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[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
You have to remember that the constitution was written by men with integrity and honor. 100 yrs laters you have lawyers and less than honest beurocrats and whoala welcome to our current mess. If you study the constitution and read actual words from the founders you will see where they gave us everything we needed.[/quote]

If you studied history, you would see most of the founders had some background in law or, in fact, were attorneys ie lawyers to the layperson.

This is of course an intriguing proposition, SUPER-T, as you seem to state that being a lawyer and integrity/honor are unable to coexist within one person.

Intriguing…
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Many politicians at the national level continue to have come from lawyer/legal backgrounds.

Plus ca change…?[/quote]

Lawyers run the world it seems.

On that note, see yall in 3 years.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
People hanging out getting high doesn’t exactly look like it will improve our math scores, for example.
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What if they’re allowed to continue going to their math classes instead of being sent to an alternative school or juvi for picking up a possession charge?

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[quote]John S. wrote:
X, I blame Clinton for the .com bubble, which bush then used to create the housing bubble, now Obama is using to create a bond bubble. I blame them all equally. But Obama has added more the debt in 2 years then Bush did in 8.

You won’t find many people defending Bush, the bailouts he did in his last year or so really pissed off the conservatives. Once he said I am going to abandon the free markets to save the free markets it was over for him with many of the conservatives, but you can’t let your hatred of bush make you ignore all that Obama has done.

And I agree with you on Iraq.[/quote]

I pretty much agree with every bit of this. One’s poor choices does not make the others immune from condemnation.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
You have to remember that the constitution was written by men with integrity and honor. 100 yrs laters you have lawyers and less than honest beurocrats and whoala welcome to our current mess. If you study the constitution and read actual words from the founders you will see where they gave us everything we needed.[/quote]

If you studied history, you would see most of the founders had some background in law or, in fact, were attorneys ie lawyers to the layperson.

This is of course an intriguing proposition, SUPER-T, as you seem to state that being a lawyer and integrity/honor are unable to coexist within one person.

Intriguing…
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You are right, some had backgrounds in law, but they also had integrity. Today I believe it is hard to find a good attorney with such good character. I am sure some are out there, but the ones that make it to Washington are mostly scum.