All Red Meat Is Bad for You...

Nutrition
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[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
meh. I cut out red meat almost entirely about a year ago. Made more gains this year than any other. Not because I cut the meat out, I just really dialed in a lot of factors. Once a month or so I may have a burger if I’m at a sportsbar or something, but other than that I stick to chicken & fish. I’d like to live past 100 if possible, and I have a family history of relatives doing this. I see studies like this while I don’t think there’s anything remotely close to a 1:1 association there’s obviously at least a grain of truth here. Yeah most of the meat people in the study were eating was probably not from grass raised / grass finished cattle. But how many people here only eat grass raised/finished beef? I’m betting less than 20%. So the study would apply to many here. [/quote]

It may apply to many here (which still doesn’t prove anything), but to simply implicate red meat as being bad is a bit outlandish don’t you think? If you truly believe how that animal is raised matters, why would you support such an idea of red meat being bad?

why not just say eat grass-fed meats?

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How many people remember when butter was the devil causing all heart disease, and margarine with all its transfats were the cure???

Good nutrition boils down to eating the whole food, which has undergone as little processing and human manipulation as possible. In moderation. It’s that simple.

Everything else basically boils down to ivory tower guys who need to publish to be promoted, and to get additional funding i.e. money for their research i.e. livelihood.

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:
How many people remember when butter was the devil causing all heart disease, and margarine with all its transfats were the cure???

Good nutrition boils down to eating the whole food, which has undergone as little processing and human manipulation as possible. In moderation. It’s that simple.

Everything else basically boils down to ivory tower guys who need to publish to be promoted, and to get additional funding i.e. money for their research i.e. livelihood.[/quote]

edit to add: or some giant corporation trying to make profits from some high-margin product

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I really don’t know how they call this science. There are far too many variables that go into a persons diet to be able to draw anything relevant from the data. If I tried to enter something like that into SAS, i’m pretty sure it would flip me off and tell me to go screw myself for wasting its time. On a side note, I can’t wait until they fully develop and start utilizing bypass fats for feedlot cattle. All the nutritional goodness of grass-fed without the shitty flavor and price tag to go along with it.

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[quote]UAphenix wrote:
I really don’t know how they call this science. There are far too many variables that go into a persons diet to be able to draw anything relevant from the data. If I tried to enter something like that into SAS, i’m pretty sure it would flip me off and tell me to go screw myself for wasting its time. On a side note, I can’t wait until they fully develop and start utilizing bypass fats for feedlot cattle. All the nutritional goodness of grass-fed without the shitty flavor and price tag to go along with it. [/quote]

Could you extrapolate on the bypass fats you are talking about? I haven’t heard anything about that.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

being born = 100% risk of death lol[/quote]

Speak for yourself…

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[quote]schanz_05 wrote:

[quote]UAphenix wrote:
I really don’t know how they call this science. There are far too many variables that go into a persons diet to be able to draw anything relevant from the data. If I tried to enter something like that into SAS, i’m pretty sure it would flip me off and tell me to go screw myself for wasting its time. On a side note, I can’t wait until they fully develop and start utilizing bypass fats for feedlot cattle. All the nutritional goodness of grass-fed without the shitty flavor and price tag to go along with it. [/quote]

Could you extrapolate on the bypass fats you are talking about? I haven’t heard anything about that.[/quote]

Basically it will be a feed additive that will allow fat’s of desired ratios to not be broken down by the rumen or bypass the rumen and move into the small intestine where it can be broken down and absorbed there much in the same way we break down fats. This should allow the meat to contain the desired ratios of fats. So for example you could have a steer that was finished on corn in a feedlot that would have the fatty acid profile of grass-fed beef. This would allow the animal to finish quicker and at a reduced cost when compared to beef finished on pasture.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Here’s a great critique http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/03/red-meat-mortality-the-usual-bad-science/

and I love Yahoo’s headline… pretty sure you can’t increase your risk of death, as being born = 100% risk of death lol[/quote]

Not to mention the text mentions red meat and the photograph is of pork (or turkey).[/quote]

exactly

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this should sum up the thread nicely. http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/

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brains are high in cholesterol, therefore recent studies show that zombies that eat brains are at an increased risk of death… yeah, I went there

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[quote]lzqosoz94 wrote:
this should sum up the thread nicely. http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/[/quote]

My favorite part of that article: the experiment(s) were done, that’s what the diet comparison studies were for. D-uh!

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LOL, shit red meat can shorten your life…I’m screwed than bwahahahaaa

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The problem with these “observations” is that red meat is lumped together with numerous OTHER risk factors without even mentioning their dangers. Processed meats are the problem, not the natural cuts of flesh.

That asshole Dr Oz once did his own “study” where he was the subject. For one full day he gave up his usual veggie diet for an all meat diet. He felt sick and lethargic after a day eating like this. The problem with his “study” was that he only consumed processed meats and fried foods all day, then used his symptoms as an indication of impending ill-health. Well of course he felt like shit! Just changing one’s diet drastically for a day would make anyone feel ill, healthy meal or not.

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The other day my uncle said he prefers the flavor of grain over grass also. I personally like the game flavor. The weird thing is, this is the same uncle that gave a a few venison steaks/ground. Am I the only weirdo who prefers grass fed? mmmmmmm

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Wow I wonder what it would take to convince some of you to change your beliefs. This isn’t the first study implicating red meat intake with increased risk of mortality…yeah obviously they didn’t do a double-blind experimental study, but that would never be possible.

Is this 100% conclusive? No, of course not. But its just some more evidence to be added to the sizable pile.

Whether cooking methods, methionine content, nitrate content–who knows why red meat is less healthy? Fact is, if longevity is important to you, minimizing red meat intake would be a prudent decision.

Of course, if longevity is your concern you probably wouldn’t be here anyway though, so its pretty much a moot point. [/quote]

Uh, yeah.

I think most of us realize we are going to die anyway. Hell, I nearly did a few months back. If you want to live your life preparing for your oldest last day, have fun with that.

I personally think quality beats quantity.

I don’t want to be that 90n year old with no cool memories other than avoiding all risk.[/quote]

That’s pretty sad if eating red meat constitutes “cool memories” for you…it’s something I like to eat, but definitely not memorable compared to the rest of my life.

But I really shouldn’t expect anything less from a man who willingly eats himself obese.

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[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Wow I wonder what it would take to convince some of you to change your beliefs. This isn’t the first study implicating red meat intake with increased risk of mortality…yeah obviously they didn’t do a double-blind experimental study, but that would never be possible.

Is this 100% conclusive? No, of course not. But its just some more evidence to be added to the sizable pile.

Whether cooking methods, methionine content, nitrate content–who knows why red meat is less healthy? Fact is, if longevity is important to you, minimizing red meat intake would be a prudent decision.

Of course, if longevity is your concern you probably wouldn’t be here anyway though, so its pretty much a moot point. [/quote]

Uh, yeah.

I think most of us realize we are going to die anyway. Hell, I nearly did a few months back. If you want to live your life preparing for your oldest last day, have fun with that.

I personally think quality beats quantity.

I don’t want to be that 90n year old with no cool memories other than avoiding all risk.[/quote]

That’s pretty sad if eating red meat constitutes “cool memories” for you…it’s something I like to eat, but definitely not memorable compared to the rest of my life.

But I really shouldn’t expect anything less from a man who willingly eats himself obese.
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LOL. As soon as I become obese, let me know.

I wasn’t just talking about red meat, doofus. I am talking about life as a whole. yes, I enjoy being a big guy who lifts weights and would NOT enjoy being a frail vegetarian hoping I can squeeze out 100 years of uneventful risk-fleeing life.

Yeah, I like big steaks sometimes…and making gains in the gym…and being stronger than 90% of the people in the country.

Red meat had at least something to do with that considering my diet.

If YOU want to live like that, COOL. Just realize there are probably less people who give a shit than you think.

The majority of the products you come in contact with daily are hazardous in one form or another.

Sorry, I won’t be avoiding any and all barbecues because of “cancer risk”.

I won’t avoid all red meat because of a new study.

Science has a habit of trying to correct itself later.

Eggs used to kill you.

Now they don’t.

The eggs never changed.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Here’s a great critique http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/03/red-meat-mortality-the-usual-bad-science/
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Thanks for the link. The points at the end are an excellent example of how ‘scientific’ studies can misrepresent the results to achieve headline-grabbing statistics (the 13% increase in death risk OMG). As usual lies, damn lies and statistics…

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Amazing how people miss this.

Apparently, they have no clue what would happen if people ate red meat and DIDN’T become couch potatoes.

I am going to guess the body of a guy working out several days a week actively building muscle is NOT going to respond the same as someone whose “red meat” equals “50 tacos” and who doesn’t exercise.