[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Poor little Christians are having their rights trampled , no one buys their definition of marriage or when life begins [/quote]
What article are you reading?
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Not to mention he couldn’t produce a scientist on Earth that says life begins at some point other than conception.
Pittbull logic: deny science when it comes to murder, blame every flake of snow, hot day, hurricane and chemical leak on republicans because they are anti-science.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
If Christians would stop trying to tell (legislate to) NON-Christians how to live their lives, [/quote]
Such as?
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
I have a related question. Are you looking forward to/would you pay to see Noah and/or Exodus?[/quote]
I know nothing about these films, but heck yeah I would totally watch Exodus! Seriously, 10 Commandments was one of the original epics and had Charlton Heston.
Noah, blah. Whatever
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have covered this before but I grew up in a religion that I went to church 6 days a week and twice on Sunday . The Jesus I grew up with healed the sick fed the hungry , Today’s Christians are against health care are against feeding the (LAZY) poor albeit via the Republican party .
IMO Christ would never align with the Republican party . This is why the So Called Christians are not liked [/quote]
Supporting the governments theft of money from one person to give to another is not the path to Heaven. Jesus’ instructions were on a personal level. I believe most liberals support government charity solely because they are not charitable themselves.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
I have a related question. Are you looking forward to/would you pay to see Noah and/or Exodus?[/quote]
Sure, I’d go see it.[/quote]
Cool. Just wondering. Me too–looking forward to both. I was hesitant about Noah, but from what I’ve read, it’s not going to be an atheist’s re-imagining or anything like that. Though I bet it’s pretty Hollywoodized.
Edit: Hollywoodized as in, a lot more action than Genesis.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
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I missed the part where Christ said go forth, coerce from others, and help the poor. Christians are only told to give of themselves. Government is the exact opposite of charity.
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Standard Christian justification
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Supporting the governments theft of money from one person to give to another is not the path to Heaven. Jesus’ instructions were on a personal level. I believe most liberals support government charity solely because they are not charitable themselves.
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you have to do better than that , sorry that is so weak
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
If Christians would stop trying to tell (legislate to) NON-Christians how to live their lives, [/quote]
Such as?[/quote]
let’s start with Gay Marriage
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
If Christians would stop trying to tell (legislate to) NON-Christians how to live their lives, [/quote]
Such as?[/quote]
Really dude?
How about we skip the obvious ones like banning homosexuals from marriage and telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies (not just abortion, but limiting contraception as well). How about throwing the entire body of scientific evidence from astronomy to biology out the window and trying to teach “creationism” in PUBLIC schools? How about trying to ban books like Twilight or Harry Potter?
How about the Catholic church systematically protecting pedophile priests for decades and covering it up by NOT REPORTING it to authorities? That one kinda turns the anti-gay issue on it’s head - perhaps the bible says somewhere that God hates all fags UNLESS you are a priest, then you can diddle all the boys you want. Although I don’t remember reading that one anywhere.
Do we really need to keep going? It’s pretty fucking obvious that Christians are very organized politically and are systematically trying to force their religious views on the entire population.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
If Christians would stop trying to tell (legislate to) NON-Christians how to live their lives, [/quote]
Such as?[/quote]
let’s start with Gay Marriage
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Clinton’s bill? Voted for by Biden?
That one?
So I assume you didn’t support either of those candidates then?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
If Christians would stop trying to tell (legislate to) NON-Christians how to live their lives, [/quote]
Such as?[/quote]
Really dude?
How about we skip the obvious ones like banning homosexuals from marriage and telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies (not just abortion, but limiting contraception as well). How about throwing the entire body of scientific evidence from astronomy to biology out the window and trying to teach “creationism” in PUBLIC schools? How about trying to ban books like Twilight or Harry Potter?
How about the Catholic church systematically protecting pedophile priests for decades and covering it up by NOT REPORTING it to authorities? That one kinda turns the anti-gay issue on it’s head - perhaps the bible says somewhere that God hates all fags UNLESS you are a priest, then you can diddle all the boys you want. Although I don’t remember reading that one anywhere.
Do we really need to keep going? It’s pretty fucking obvious that Christians are very organized politically and are systematically trying to force their religious views on the entire population. [/quote]
All laws are the forcing of one persons morality on another. That’s essentially what a law means. And only a very few of the laws out there are Christian based. And the ones that are the majority pretty much agree with. But again, law by nature is the forcing of a morality. The only way to not force morality on others is to have no law. And if you really want to get into moral belief structures that systematically try to force their morality on others through the force of government, you should get more mad over many gay/animal rights/human rights/est organizations long before Christianity.
It’s funny that you only see intolerance when you happen to disagree with the laws. What you really mean to say is that Christians happen to push a particular morality you don’t agree with.
And FYI the Catholic Church has abuse rates equivalent to any large organization of that type, like public schools, where it is much better covered up as evidence by your lack of knowledge about it.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
limiting contraception as well[/quote]
How is contraception limited? I can see a Walmart from my office and they sell every form of contraception I can think of short of an at home abortion kit.
Unless you mean limited as in not paid for by tax payers?
As far as abortion goes, Christians would limit abortion, but last I checked they are legal so Christians aren’t/haven’t been able to limit them.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Really dude?[/quote]
Yes, really. I see this talking point a lot, and it tends to fall flat on its face when asked about.
Not only did a Democrat sign this bill, it was supported, strongly, throughout not only congress, but in a couple of states that allowed the citizens to vote on it.
People at like this was a Christian thing, when the numbers suggest it was less a “Christian thing” and more just a “hey, no one wants this” thing.
And for like the 365,487th time, SCOTUS overturned Clinton’s bill. It is a moot point.
What legislation was passed to limit contraception?
As for abortion, there are about a million a year. So, logic would dictate about half of those million would be women at some point. How is trying to give this child a chance to grow up and (apparently in lefty world you have to earn your “right” to abortion by surviving your term in womb) not giving her the opportunity to “do what she wants with her body”.
That whole “let her do what she wants with her body” argument is flawed by the fact that half the abortions kill females. This is clear as day, and can’t be refuted. But go ahead and try and justify it, it is always entertaining to watch.
So… I’ve heard this a lot, but can you provide a link that shows legislation that removes the teaching of the things you mention and has schools only teaching “creationism”?
Or are they trying to teach both?
Is this a majority of school districts? Is it a minority? How many places is this happening? Is it happening on a federal level?
Again, I’ve not seen any laws banning books trying to be passed. Do you have a link to the story?
While this is vile, and the people involved in such an activity are horrid people, this is a total fallacy. This has zero to do with the topic.
Yeah, again, I don’t really agree…
It’s “pretty fucking obvious” you have bones to pick with religion’s organization, and that is fine. But opinion and fact are separate things.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
How about throwing the entire body of scientific evidence from astronomy to biology out the window and trying to teach “creationism” in PUBLIC schools? How about trying to ban books like Twilight or Harry Potter?
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Really Angry, who is doing this? Some extremely far right “Christians” maybe. Not normal everyday Christians.
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How about the Catholic church systematically protecting pedophile priests for decades and covering it up by NOT REPORTING it to authorities? [/quote]
In other words, acting against the teaching of Jesus, aka, not following the teaching of Christ.
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Do we really need to keep going? It’s pretty fucking obvious that Christians are very organized politically and are systematically trying to force their religious views on the entire population. [/quote]
This is an overreach. Every member of Congress, the President, etc…are all Christians (supposedly). Yet abortion is legal, contraception can be bought over the counter, public schools teach evolution, etc…
A specific sect of a special interest group wants something to change, how is that any different than any other special interest group?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
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I missed the part where Christ said go forth, coerce from others, and help the poor. Christians are only told to give of themselves. Government is the exact opposite of charity.
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Standard Christian justification
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lmao…
Facts are now “justification” so the world fits into the neat little box Pitttttt painted for himself.
I find it amusing when people accuse Christians of ignoring science and refer to Creationism or Noah’s flood as proof of that. Then ignore the glaring hypocrisy of secular science such as when they say the giant canyon on Mars, which is the length of the entire U.S., was caused by flooding in an apparent short period of time but then say Grand Canyon could not have been caused in the same manner. But let’s continue to say fossils are this old because they are found in this layer of rocks and say these rocks are this old because these fossils were found in these rocks.
But hey, feel free to believe you are nothing more than the product of a chimp screwing pig.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Supporting the governments theft of money from one person to give to another is not the path to Heaven. Jesus’ instructions were on a personal level. I believe most liberals support government charity solely because they are not charitable themselves.
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you have to do better than that , sorry that is so weak
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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Supporting the governments theft of money from one person to give to another is not the path to Heaven. Jesus’ instructions were on a personal level. I believe most liberals support government charity solely because they are not charitable themselves.
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you have to do better than that , sorry that is so weak
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In reality, government and non-violence are incompatible. But most people refuse to step back far enough from their bias to see that. If you are in favor of any non-voluntary form of government, you are opposed to non-violence.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
I find it amusing when people accuse Christians of ignoring science and refer to Creationism or Noah’s flood as proof of that. Then ignore the glaring hypocrisy of secular science such as when they say the giant canyon on Mars, which is the length of the entire U.S., was caused by flooding in an apparent short period of time but then say Grand Canyon could not have been caused in the same manner. But let’s continue to say fossils are this old because they are found in this layer of rocks and say these rocks are this old because these fossils were found in these rocks.
But hey, feel free to believe you are nothing more than the product of a chimp screwing pig.
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Well argued. That that one guy proposed that one thing is definitely proof that the entire establishment of evolutionary biology is full of shit.
A less understanding observer than myself might invite you to go on believing that a perfect being with a distaste for homosexual sex and an on-the-record opinion about the proper way to cut the extra skin off a trousersnake zapped a pile of clay a few thousand years ago and voila!
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
I find it amusing when people accuse Christians of ignoring science and refer to Creationism or Noah’s flood as proof of that. Then ignore the glaring hypocrisy of secular science such as when they say the giant canyon on Mars, which is the length of the entire U.S., was caused by flooding in an apparent short period of time but then say Grand Canyon could not have been caused in the same manner. But let’s continue to say fossils are this old because they are found in this layer of rocks and say these rocks are this old because these fossils were found in these rocks.
But hey, feel free to believe you are nothing more than the product of a chimp screwing pig.
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Well argued. That that one guy proposed that one thing is definitely proof that the entire establishment of evolutionary biology is full of shit.
A less understanding observer than myself might invite you to go on believing that a perfect being with a distaste for homosexual sex and an on-the-record opinion about the proper way to cut the extra skin off a trousersnake zapped a pile of clay a few thousand years ago and voila![/quote]
So, you admit that it’s equally plausible?
This is similar to the spaghetti monster argument. One I’ve thought about for a while and come to the conclusion it is far more illustrative of the weakness of science. It’s a claim that science is so limited in scope that it can’t even disprove a flying invisible spaghetti monster above the earth. And as such, a flying spaghetti monster must technically be considered a possibility that science cannot rule out. It is so weak as a philosophy it can’t even say that there isn’t a flying spaghetti monster. I have to wonder then, what good could it possibly be as a method for discovering Truth?