Aiding in wrecking homes or directly doing so is more severe than hurt feelings. Ever see the stats on what happens to fatherless men? I am one.
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In the eyes of the law? I shudder to think of a world where it’s anything more than hurt feelings.
Absolutely. And it’s terrible. But I don’t see how imprisonment/adding a criminal record does a single thing in a positive direction.
Legally, adultery needs to be viewed with the lens of property crime and contract law, not vice. I wouldn’t like to see people in jail for adultery, but it needs to hold sway in family courts and divorce settlements.
Further and however, financial damage that results from the concealment of adultery should be viewed as fraud (which is a criminal matter worthy of jail time). In short, I wouldn’t want a law about what people can do with their bodies. I want a law against getting financial gain through false pretense and deceit. There is significant precedence that laws of this type can and should exist.
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Would this require an actual contract as prerequisite for passing down judgement?
Ie, a prenup with a cheating clause?
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Would you apply that same logic to any other offence, no one would go to jail? Punishment acts as a deterrent to others thinking to commit the same offence.
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Yes, in the eyes of the law. Just asking: you really think that unfaithfulness that ruins a family is simply a matter of hurt feelings? The alien of affections knows full well what One is doing but doesn’t care! One knows the consequence, that there are children involved, that by consenting to the unfaithfulness might send a family into a tailspin.
It’s not about hurt feelings. I can’t say that my wife and I have never hurt each other’s feelings. That doesn’t warrant punishment by a government.
Ruined households have literally changed the trajectory of children’s lives, not just hurt a spouses’ feelings.
This. Shall we simply do without punishment for anything? The punishment is there as a deterrent.
I used to think the “war on drugs” was a waste. Now I conclude it’s not fought enough! I believe if laws were draconian enough, then it would be over!
I’m curious as to why you feel this way. I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but if people are ok with it, would you mind explaining this? How would you change such laws to fix this issue?
Marriage may vary somewhat as to what it means to different people, but I’d say sexual fidelity is pretty much implied in marriage. Exceptions where spouses don’t expect sexual fidelity are generally explicitly stated between the spouses because they are counter to the assumption.
I think you have a reasonable point though that maybe the legal structures of marriage should be more explicitly defined. Most people agree as to what they should be, but the law doesn’t really support that in all cases.
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Property crime no, contract law yes.
I assume adultery without said deception negates the fraud, so we’re left with the breach of contract
I think every negative biproduct is the result of hurt feelings, absolutely. I’ve known people that forgave their SO for cheating. The hurt feelings is the only factor that influences the outcome.
Are you able to name a negative side effect of cheating that isn’t purely driven by hurt feelings?
I guess an STD being transferred if it applies would count
That’s what I was getting at, tyty!
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IMO, I highly doubt that would be even remotely possible. Everywhere I’ve lived in Asia, just trafficking weed over a certain amount will get you the death penalty lol. I can score weed anytime I want.
There’s also no such thing as rehab for addicts since using drugs is already against the law. “Rehab” for opiate addicts is a jail sentence in a special facility. It’s a small cell with nothing but a squatting toilet while you detox. That’s right, no mattress, no blanket; nothing. Just a toilet on a concrete floor. Then you spend the next couple of months of your sentence doing physical labour. I grew up in a town full of heroin addicts despite this.
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Maybe we just have to go deeper.
Make all possession a death penalty crime. Imagine how quickly you’ll run out of addicts.
Edit: was it the philippines I just saw do something like this?
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clearly they’re not draconian enough – next step, wholesale slaughter of families while the perp watches…
TBF – this is exactly what public toilets are in Mumbai
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There’s already a possible prison sentence of up to 20 years in prison for repeat offenders depending on which country you go to lol.
I’m not sure of the laws there but I do know it’s been widely reported that police have been ordered to execute traffickers instead of apprehending them. I really wouldn’t be surprised if this is true knowing what the cops are like in certain parts of Asia. The country has had really severe drug problems in the past so a large proportion of the public is actually fine with this.
A contract entered into by consenting parties rather than ham-fisted government rules for social engineering…
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There’s more to prevention than punishment.
Your point about fatherless households is relevant and indisputable.
Do you really think government is the one to fix this societal problem? While I’m not even an armchair level economist/sociologist I know that a very, very strong case can be made that great society programs not only accelerated the decline of the nuclear family… but straight up incentivised it.
What is your proposed solution? Just punishments for cheaters? A TON of babies aren’t even born in wedlock. Those couples have no agreement to enforce. How do we deal with them?
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Partially.
Is no-fault divorce one of them? What others are there? I’m ignorant on what these programs were.
I’ll get back to the other questions. Doorbell ringing, family home. 
It is best I do not comment on this extensively… Most on here are not aware that my wife is not the biological mother to my two sons. BUT.… she is their mom regardless. But my view point is that a bias against fathers exists in are society and leave it at that.
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