Aliens Exist?

[quote]Petermus wrote:
The problem I have with this is that even if aliens do exist, why do people always assume they are vastly more intelligent than us. According to Science we evolved over billions of years to get where we are… trillions and trillions of chemical interactions etc, its more plausible that there are tiny microbes that would be insignificant to our existence in the universe until long after the earth has turned into a barren wasteland devoid of life if there is anything at all. Life is so unstable and involves such unfathomable odds…the chances of it happening once is ridiculous… twice or three times??? now thats not gonna happen.The whole search for Alien life forms, life similar to ours is supposedly nothing but your desire to connect to our world

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Look at it this way, let’s say we found life on Pluto (yes, I know the odds, its hypothetical). What’s cooler, finding a fungi, a race of spiders, or bipeds that have a language and perhaps even some technology?
The concept of ‘intelligent’ life is whole lot more exciting than just ‘life’. It implies another civilisation like ours evolved from microbes, gained the ability to hunt and deductive reasoning.
Personally I had always just assumed there were a fuckload of other intelligent civilizations out there. Why? Because the universe is unfathomably massive, and incredibly misunderstood. Respected physicists are considering the existence of parallel universes (not in the comic book sense), linked to others by wormholes. The grand scale of existence is just ridiculous.
So yeah, there are Aliens. There are fungi that grow on the rocks of some planet in the Magellanic Clouds, there are spiders crawling around somewhere in the Eagle Nebulla, and somewhere out there little green men are turning radio dishes to the sky and trying to figure out the secrets of the universe.

[quote]Petermus wrote:
The problem I have with this is that even if aliens do exist, why do people always assume they are vastly more intelligent than us.

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Because our galaxy is relative young according to its position in the Universe. Hence, life in other galaxies could range from microbes as you say to life forms that predate us by quite a bit.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Wow, I must really hit a nerve with the backstreet boy comment. Seriously, the first image you need to remove.

Now, let’s explore your assertions very carefully. You say I’m “anonymous”. I just perused your profile again, and I find no mention of your “government name”. So, aren’t you similarly anonymous? That said, in certain circles, “the bodyguard” is my known handle and those that know, know exactly who I am.

Next, although I haven’t done it, I’d challenge you to “google” “flynn’s gym” and come up with a hit. It wasn’t a physical “gym” but a powerlifting team lead by a bridgeport ct cop with the last name flynn who by the way, I barely knew, but did compete along side them. It’s where I got my start in the sport with my then good friend Bino who started me in the sport.

Continuing, I played professional basketball overseas when I was younger and before I became involved in powerlifting. I was paid well. I never earned a dime “powerlifting” and never will. Only a struggling to gain his next 15lbs of muscle teenage kid would think that competing in powerlifting was “brag worthy”. I’m a strong guy, but I’m a pimple on the ass of powerlifting, still chasing an elite total, if it ever comes. Powerlifting is but a mere fraction of my life and certainly nothing for me to brag about. Are we clear?

Terry Grimwood now resides in a PA state prison because he allegedly murdered someone who was probably like your punk ass when he was young. You sound very much like a future victim to me - insecure, scowling, tring to belong. His late wife Tamara - one of the greatest female powerlifters of all time, passed away years ago. I shed tears with Terry at that funeral, held in a small room, with a Marine standing guard because Tamara served in the Corps. I know Dr. Ken and Ralph only casually. Competed at Iron Island maybe 4 times. Have the trophies to prove it. Watched Joey Almaldovar hit some impressive lifts @ 165 and watched Confessori blow up big benches. But again, we’re talking powerlifting lil man, not the fucking NFL. Try it sometime. It’s filled with men who know the weight either goes up or doesn’t. No petty bullshit like you and your friends are trying to engage in here. Guys helping each other with their suits - guys they are competing AGAINST. Cheering each other on. Something you know NOTHING about.

So explain to me baby Eistein, how is it that I’m “stealthing” around the internet and you’re not? Go to a gamedog forum (if you can gain entry) and ask who “the bodyguard” is - I’m quite far from anonymous. I must be your hero, since you think powerlifting is brag worthy. I’ve been here before you even knew about T-mag. Before you even lifted your first weight. Just because you pollute the board more recently, doesn’t mean you’re any less anonymous or any more accomplished. And you wouldn’t tell me shit to my face because I’d put my same aged high school son on your scrawny ass and he’d run a Roman Polanski on your scowling baseball cap wearing punk ass. In fact, you couldn’t even run from him, cause he’s too fast and would run you down, THEN beat you.

Now run along punk.

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Oh my. I truly admire the time and effort put into that. I’ve never had a sarcastic post responded to in the form a life story involving prison, baseball, funerals, butt sex and whatever else was included in there. That was pretty cool, I guess?

On a side note: Your son seems super duper awesome. So fast and so strong, always beating things up, eating lots of barbeque. He’s my new hero, you’ve been replaced.

Oh, another side note: I know that that first picture is a bit rediculous (I find it hilarious), but that’s what I looked like coming out of high school, before I started doing shit with the Marines, which is when I stopped being like 135-140 pounds. Yup, I really did weigh that little. Embarrassing? Nope, not at all. I didn’t eat a lot, lift, or do anything productive in high school. Why would this fact bother me now? And what does it have to do with aliens, which you’ve so successfully torn the conversation away from?

Anyways, everyone else: Who here has read about the theory where every atom has an infinite amount of alternates, so every person has an infinite amount of copies in an infinite amount of dimensions or universes? Or even the idea that we all have antimatter alternates. It would probably be impossible to enter such a place, but just to be able to know for a fact that it existed would be crazy.

[quote]rundymc wrote:
Personally I had always just assumed there were a fuckload of other intelligent civilizations out there. Why? Because the universe is unfathomably massive, and incredibly misunderstood. Respected physicists are considering the existence of parallel universes (not in the comic book sense), linked to others by wormholes. The grand scale of existence is just ridiculous.
So yeah, there are Aliens. There are fungi that grow on the rocks of some planet in the Magellanic Clouds, there are spiders crawling around somewhere in the Eagle Nebulla, and somewhere out there little green men are turning radio dishes to the sky and trying to figure out the secrets of the universe.
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Is this like the alternate/antimatter dimensions that I mentioned in my last post? If so, what would a “wormhole” consist of? Does such a thing actually exist, and if it was possible, do you think that matter could travel through it without being torn into trillions of atoms?

[quote]Mettahl wrote:

Oh, another side note: I know that that first picture is a bit rediculous [/quote]

As are the pictures that follow ya little shit stain.

Cool reply! Your son sucks dicks :slight_smile:

[quote]Mettahl wrote:
Cool reply! Your son sucks dicks :)[/quote]

Nevermind my son, I know women that would whoop your ass - with or without your baseball cap and scowl. But stay small - you’re going to need to do a lot of running away in life…a turd stain like you will want to be fast and nimble.

Lol I can’t believe this is about to happen, but rather than the old guy with kids being the more mature one, I’m going to go ahead and hand this one to you. I’m just toying with you by now. No one’s talking about anything interesting anymore, and this thread has just turned into your attempt at being “super awesome.” It was full of laughs and good times, but I think it’s over now :slight_smile:

I’ll go “scowl” at some people now, and you can continue being the coolest, smartest, and biggest guy around.

[quote]rundymc wrote:
Petermus wrote:
The problem I have with this is that even if aliens do exist, why do people always assume they are vastly more intelligent than us. According to Science we evolved over billions of years to get where we are… trillions and trillions of chemical interactions etc, its more plausible that there are tiny microbes that would be insignificant to our existence in the universe until long after the earth has turned into a barren wasteland devoid of life if there is anything at all. Life is so unstable and involves such unfathomable odds…the chances of it happening once is ridiculous… twice or three times??? now thats not gonna happen.The whole search for Alien life forms, life similar to ours is supposedly nothing but your desire to connect to our world

Look at it this way, let’s say we found life on Pluto (yes, I know the odds, its hypothetical). What’s cooler, finding a fungi, a race of spiders, or bipeds that have a language and perhaps even some technology?
The concept of ‘intelligent’ life is whole lot more exciting than just ‘life’. It implies another civilisation like ours evolved from microbes, gained the ability to hunt and deductive reasoning.
Personally I had always just assumed there were a fuckload of other intelligent civilizations out there. Why? Because the universe is unfathomably massive, and incredibly misunderstood. Respected physicists are considering the existence of parallel universes (not in the comic book sense), linked to others by wormholes. The grand scale of existence is just ridiculous.
So yeah, there are Aliens. There are fungi that grow on the rocks of some planet in the Magellanic Clouds, there are spiders crawling around somewhere in the Eagle Nebulla, and somewhere out there little green men are turning radio dishes to the sky and trying to figure out the secrets of the universe.
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The fascination with advanced life, and the belief that it exists, is way more than “OMGZ broz! advanced aliens would be like, COOL! and stuff!!! LOLZ!”. It is essentially a statistics problem. In an infinite universe, knowing what we know today about alien life (i.e. next to nothing), we would need to assume a Gaussian distribution (bell curves, etc.). Assuming that, we are forced to conclude that we are “average” since we have no insight to the statistical outliers. Scientists use this model to conclude that in alien life, 50% of the population is more advanced than us, and 50% is less advanced. Its not the less advanced ones we concern ourselves with (for obvious reasons) it is the more advanced!

[quote]Mettahl wrote:
Lol I can’t believe this is about to happen, but rather than the old guy with kids being the more mature one, I’m going to go ahead and hand this one to you. I’m just toying with you by now. No one’s talking about anything interesting anymore, and this thread has just turned into your attempt at being “super awesome.” It was full of laughs and good times, but I think it’s over now :slight_smile:

I’ll go “scowl” at some people now, and you can continue being the coolest, smartest, and biggest guy around.[/quote]

spoken like the little turd stain loser that you are. save your dime store psychology for when you need to get your lil ass out of a jam. it might work long enough then for you to escape and evade. and next time, think twice before you join some lame daisy-chain-pole-smokin-let’s-talk-shit on the intenet crusade.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
The fascination with advanced life, and the belief that it exists, is way more than “OMGZ broz! advanced aliens would be like, COOL! and stuff!!! LOLZ!”. It is essentially a statistics problem. In an infinite universe, knowing what we know today about alien life (i.e. next to nothing), we would need to assume a Gaussian distribution (bell curves, etc.). Assuming that, we are forced to conclude that we are “average” since we have no insight to the statistical outliers. Scientists use this model to conclude that in alien life, 50% of the population is more advanced than us, and 50% is less advanced. Its not the less advanced ones we concern ourselves with (for obvious reasons) it is the more advanced![/quote]

Doesn’t that need to be adjusted for the relative age of the respective galaxies? For instance, it’s unlikely that any galaxy substantially younger than ours would support intelligent life - in theory at least.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
VTBalla34 wrote:
The fascination with advanced life, and the belief that it exists, is way more than “OMGZ broz! advanced aliens would be like, COOL! and stuff!!! LOLZ!”. It is essentially a statistics problem. In an infinite universe, knowing what we know today about alien life (i.e. next to nothing), we would need to assume a Gaussian distribution (bell curves, etc.). Assuming that, we are forced to conclude that we are “average” since we have no insight to the statistical outliers. Scientists use this model to conclude that in alien life, 50% of the population is more advanced than us, and 50% is less advanced. Its not the less advanced ones we concern ourselves with (for obvious reasons) it is the more advanced!

Doesn’t that need to be adjusted for the relative age of the respective galaxies? For instance, it’s unlikely that any galaxy substantially younger than ours would support intelligent life - in theory at least.

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That’s a good point, and age of galaxies is something we have a much better inisght to. At least for galaxies that are “close” to us. However, this knowledge is just a grain of sand in a dune when considered in the context of an infinte universe. I would say we still have to consider ourselves “average” as far as galaxy age as well.

As to how this affects our standing as “average” in terms of civilzation, I’m going to have to think about it. It’s something that I had never really considered before.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
spoken like the little turd stain loser that you are. save your dime store psychology for when you need to get your lil ass out of a jam. it might work long enough then for you to escape and evade. and next time, think twice before you join some lame daisy-chain-pole-smokin-let’s-talk-shit on the intenet crusade.
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Lol what are these jams that you keep mentioning? I’m perfectly safe, I promise. No one’s out to get me. Thanks for caring though!

You’re an odd little dumbass :slight_smile: but a funny one, so it’s okay.

Aren’t some of the oldest stars in our galaxy about as old as the universe itself? Wouldn’t that mean that the chances of our galaxy having more intelligent life is about as high as, if not higher than many others?

[quote]Mettahl wrote:

You’re an odd little dumbass :slight_smile: but a funny one, so it’s okay.

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Keep holding up that mirror to your face and tell us all about yourself. I knew all about you when I saw those goofy pictures. Someone else may come along and say, “good work kid”. I say keep your fucking shirt on and stop peacocking until that day we can see what you have thru your shirt. Anyway, you’re not much of a solo act. I think you need your wing man. You’re a “me too” kinda guy.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

That’s a good point, and age of galaxies is something we have a much better inisght to. At least for galaxies that are “close” to us. However, this knowledge is just a grain of sand in a dune when considered in the context of an infinte universe. I would say we still have to consider ourselves “average” as far as galaxy age as well.

As to how this affects our standing as “average” in terms of civilzation, I’m going to have to think about it. It’s something that I had never really considered before.[/quote]

Well, I think I read somewhere that one of the oldest stars in the Milky Way may be nearly as old as the Universe itself. I’m not sure I understand how we are not younger than those galaxies much further away and moving away from us? Here’s a twist; the pro-alien argument usually consists of the thought that given what is believed to be an infinite universe, that “intelligent life” must exist. Isn’t that a bit of a self-centered paradigm? To assume that “intelligent life” as we know and understand it, is the basis by which this vast universe must exist? In the grandest scheme of things we may never know, what if we are a relative bacteria or such? A virus of sorts? We assume that “life” as we imagine it is the highest order. Maybe “human” or humanoid is pretty meager on the universal scale.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Anyway, you’re not much of a solo act. I think you need your wing man. You’re a “me too” kinda guy.
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Haha what? You officially make no sense O_o don’t worry though, it couldn’t get much worse than this, so there is hope for you yet! How fun…

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Well, I think I read somewhere that one of the oldest stars in the Milky Way may be nearly as old as the Universe itself. I’m not sure I understand how we are not younger than those galaxies much further away and moving away from us?
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Yeah, I just mentioned that. I’m pretty sure it’s just that our galaxy isn’t moving away from the “center” of the universe as quickly as others, but I’m not sure if even the most learned scientists would have a good theory on that. It could be anything. Maybe the Milky Way went through a particularly chaotic galaxy merger in its past which slowed it down enough for other galaxies to gain the distance that they currently have.

Alright then, picture this if you will:
10 to 2 AM, X, Yogi DMT, and a box of Krispy Kremes, in my “need to know” pose, just outside of Area 51.
Contemplating the whole “chosen people” thingy when a flaming stealth banana split the sky like one would hope but never really expect to see in a place like this.
Cutting right angle donuts on a dime and stopping right at my Birkenstocks, and me yelping…
Holy fucking shit!

Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: “I hope Uncle Martin here doesn’t notice that I pissed my fuckin’ pants.”

So light in his way,
Like an apparition,
He had me crying out,
“Fuck me,
It’s gotta be,
Deadhead Chemistry,
The blotter got right on top of me,
Got me seein’ E-motherfuckin’-T!”

And after calming me down with some orange slices and some fetal spooning, E.T. revealed to me his singular purpose.
He said, “You are the Chosen One, the One who will deliver the message. A message of hope for those who choose to hear it and a warning for those who do not.”
Me. The Chosen One?
They chose me!!!
And I didn’t even graduate from fuckin’ high school.

You better.
You better.
You better.
You better listen.

When he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes.
Don’t even know what that means
Must remember to write it down.
This is so real.
Like the time he floated away.
See my heart is pounding,
'Cause this shit never happens to me.

Can’t breathe, right now!
It was so real.
Like I woke up in Wonderland.
All sort of terrifying.
And I don’t wanna be all alone when I tell this story.
And can anyone tell me why
you all sound like Peanut’s parents
Will I ever be coming down?
This is so real.
Finally it’s my lucky day.
See my heart is racing,
'Cause this shit never happens to me.

Can’t breathe, right now!

You believe me, don’t you?
Please believe what I just said, see they’re telling true.
And this wasn’t all in my head.
See they took me by the hand and invited me right in,
Then they showed me something.
I don’t even know where to begin.

STRAPPED DOWN MY BED. FEET COLD AND EYES RED.
I’M OUT MY HEAD. AM I ALIVE, AM I DEAD?
CAN’T REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID.
GOD DAMN. SHIT THE BED!

high… I I I I I… high… I I I I I
high

Overwhelmed as one would be, placed in my position.
Such a heavy burden now to be the one.
Born to bear and read to all
The details of our ending.
To write it down for all the world to see.
But I forgot my pen,
Shit the bed again,
Typical.

STRAPPED DOWN MY BED. FEET COLD AND EYES RED.
I’M OUT MY HEAD. AM I ALIVE, AM I DEAD?
SUNKIST AND SUDAFED, GYROSCOPES AND INFRARED.
WON’T HELP, BRAIN DEAD.
CAN’T REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID.
GOD DAMN SHIT THE BED!

I…!!!

CAN’T REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID TO ME.
CAN’T REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID TO ME TO MAKE ME OUT TO BE A HERO!!!
Can’t remember what they said.

OH NO, HELP NOW.
Can’t remember what they said.

DON’T KNOW.
WON’T KNOW.

GOD DAMN SHIT THE BED!

"People of Earth, your attention please. This is Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz of the Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council.

Plans for development if the outlying regions of the galaxy require the building of a hyperspatial express route through your star system, and regrettably your planet is scheduled for demolition.

The process will take slightly less that two of your Earth minutes. Thank you."

[quote]Makavali wrote:
"People of Earth, your attention please. This is Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz of the Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council.

Plans for development if the outlying regions of the galaxy require the building of a hyperspatial express route through your star system, and regrettably your planet is scheduled for demolition.

The process will take slightly less that two of your Earth minutes. Thank you."[/quote]

Hitchhiker?

[quote]asusvenus wrote:
Makavali wrote:
"People of Earth, your attention please. This is Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz of the Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council.

Plans for development if the outlying regions of the galaxy require the building of a hyperspatial express route through your star system, and regrettably your planet is scheduled for demolition.

The process will take slightly less that two of your Earth minutes. Thank you."

Hitchhiker?[/quote]

DON’T PANIC.