[quote]EyeDentist wrote:
theBeth, while I applaud your initiative in going to such lengths for a class paper, I feel compelled to ask: Did you run the idea for this survey past your professor? I ask because this sort of data-gathering is considered psychological research. As such, it must comport with APA guidelines for the ethical conduct of research, and I’m afraid you’re on shaky ground in that regard. Here is the relevant APA link:
The ethical concerns are further amplified by the fact that some of your ‘research subjects’ are minors.
I know you’re doing this with the best of intentions, but you have inadvertently put your professor at risk should a problem arise related to this research. Because of this, I urge you to check with him/her before proceeding further. Best of luck with your studies.
(BTW, if you’re wondering where I get off being such a self-appointed PITA about all this: I’m an MD/PhD, and my PhD is in experimental psych. I taught experimental-psych-related courses at university for 5 years, and have conducted and published a significant amount of research myself.)[/quote]
True. School Pych here, M.Ed.S. I was just teaching a unit on research design in the social sciences with an economics professor this week. Even something that seems really benign like a survey is subject to a rigorous approval process. Of course, anyone can ask their friends what they think about an online survey, but once you start collecting data as part of a study with human subjects, things get a lot more complicated.
That said, this 44 year-old female got a 75. Then I took it again 15 minutes later because I didn’t notice the analysis at the bottom and got an 86.
Getting a random sample of people can be difficult. People who self-select by volunteering to take the survey are not random. Asking people on a BBing site what they think, also not random. You probably know all this. It is interesting.
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Yes, I do know all this. It’s an informal survey and by no means a diagnostic tool. It’s not super accurate either. The first time I took it I got an 80 and the second time a 64. Because its neither official nor a controlled experiment, the results are merely part of my research. [/quote]
Got it. And remember, EyeDentist was the original funsucker here.
Related, we know low IQ is correlated with weight lifting, right? We’re not sure if it’s just that only idiots would lift weights, or if it’s all the overhead pressing accidents causing brain damage. Don’t think people like EyeDentist are just outliers who happen to be brilliant. He was a SUPER genious before he started getting so swole. Now he’s only in the above average range.
The real question here… We’re not only less intelligent, but we’re also emotionally limited? Beth, it sounds like you and I were in the 80’s range, where regular women you know were scoring in the 40’s. Yep. Causal relationship there. Free weights have butched us out so now we respond more like the dudes, and people with autism or traumatic brain injury. I’ll bet women on the cardio machines are a lot more empathic. That’s your project right there. You’re welcome.
As for the men who score lower on this scale, they probably don’t squat well, and have crappy calves. We’re going to need some video.
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Hey, c’mon now. We at the low end of the scale obviously sensitive, delicate, flowers full of special uniqueness. You’re gonna hurt our feelings with harsh comments like this. We will have no choice but to lock ourselves in our rooms, listen to Portishead and self-injure and it’ll be all your fault.
I also couldn’t help but notice that you lump “dudes, and people with autism or traumatic brain injury” into the same category…[/quote]
At least I didn’t start the list with “neanderthals…” Also, I suspect high protein diets could be to blame. So many confounding factors.
This is serious. Loosing my ability to empathize would be a serious occupational setback, but I’m more concerned about the low IQ part. I had to use my car alarm to find my car in the gym parking lot this morning. I’m wondering if going back to running might mitigate the damage.
[quote]EyeDentist wrote:
theBeth, while I applaud your initiative in going to such lengths for a class paper, I feel compelled to ask: Did you run the idea for this survey past your professor? I ask because this sort of data-gathering is considered psychological research. As such, it must comport with APA guidelines for the ethical conduct of research, and I’m afraid you’re on shaky ground in that regard. Here is the relevant APA link:
The ethical concerns are further amplified by the fact that some of your ‘research subjects’ are minors.
I know you’re doing this with the best of intentions, but you have inadvertently put your professor at risk should a problem arise related to this research. Because of this, I urge you to check with him/her before proceeding further. Best of luck with your studies.
(BTW, if you’re wondering where I get off being such a self-appointed PITA about all this: I’m an MD/PhD, and my PhD is in experimental psych. I taught experimental-psych-related courses at university for 5 years, and have conducted and published a significant amount of research myself.)[/quote]
True. School Pych here, M.Ed.S. I was just teaching a unit on research design in the social sciences with an economics professor this week. Even something that seems really benign like a survey is subject to a rigorous approval process. Of course, anyone can ask their friends what they think about an online survey, but once you start collecting data as part of a study with human subjects, things get a lot more complicated.
That said, this 44 year-old female got a 75. Then I took it again 15 minutes later because I didn’t notice the analysis at the bottom and got an 86.
Getting a random sample of people can be difficult. People who self-select by volunteering to take the survey are not random. Asking people on a BBing site what they think, also not random. You probably know all this. It is interesting.
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Yes, I do know all this. It’s an informal survey and by no means a diagnostic tool. It’s not super accurate either. The first time I took it I got an 80 and the second time a 64. Because its neither official nor a controlled experiment, the results are merely part of my research. [/quote]
Got it. And remember, EyeDentist was the original funsucker here.
Related, we know low IQ is correlated with weight lifting, right? We’re not sure if it’s just that only idiots would lift weights, or if it’s all the overhead pressing accidents causing brain damage. Don’t think people like EyeDentist are just outliers who happen to be brilliant. He was a SUPER genious before he started getting so swole. Now he’s only in the above average range.
The real question here… We’re not only less intelligent, but we’re also emotionally limited? Beth, it sounds like you and I were in the 80’s range, where regular women you know were scoring in the 40’s. Yep. Causal relationship there. Free weights have butched us out so now we respond more like the dudes, and people with autism or traumatic brain injury. I’ll bet women on the cardio machines are a lot more empathic. That’s your project right there. You’re welcome.
As for the men who score lower on this scale, they probably don’t squat well, and have crappy calves. We’re going to need some video.
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Hey, c’mon now. We at the low end of the scale obviously sensitive, delicate, flowers full of special uniqueness. You’re gonna hurt our feelings with harsh comments like this. We will have no choice but to lock ourselves in our rooms, listen to Portishead and self-injure and it’ll be all your fault.
I also couldn’t help but notice that you lump “dudes, and people with autism or traumatic brain injury” into the same category…[/quote]
At least I didn’t start the list with “neanderthals…” Also, I suspect high protein diets could be to blame. So many confounding factors.
This is serious. Loosing my ability to empathize would be a serious occupational setback, but I’m more concerned about the low IQ part. I had to use my car alarm to find my car in the gym parking lot this morning. I’m wondering if going back to running might mitigate the damage. [/quote]
I’m thinking yoga and veganism are your only hope.
I’m not sure I have emotions let alone that other people do.
Score 147.
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Sturat, you’d make the perfect case study. Look at that score! Only on TNation would people actually be jealous of that. Powerlifter who eats a lot of meat, am I right? Here’s Stu’s theory on cardio - And I quote “I’m a power lifter. We only do cardio when chasing an ice cream truck.”
AND Canadian. Has anyone ever noticed that there are a lot of Canadians on this site? And we have hardly anyone from the Southern Hemisphere? Yep. It’s related. It’s so cold in Canada, NUMB is the normal emotion. The only time they feel anything is when their Seasonal Affective Disorder kicks in, or when they mash a finger loading the bar.
Stu, we need to know about the time you tore your bicep a couple of years ago. I know you were refusing to go get pain meds, but did you even cry? This kind of pain tolerance is not normal.
And we need to see your calves, ASAP. Preferably in a kilt.
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Thanks for doing this for me everybody! I got a big fat A+ on the paper and the prof had nothing negative to say about the questionnaire survey.
I find it interesting that 75% of respondants who lift weights were in the alexithymic range. Hmmmm[/quote]
DYEL?
Thanks, Chushin. I didn’t see your score anywhere. You’ve been lifting for a long time. How are you feeling? Are you experiencing any problems with emotion, mental confusion or memory loss? I noticed that you put up a nice pic of your upper body in the check-in thread, but no calves. I find this concerning.
Interesting because I feel like no one makes any sense and I never understand anybody’s feelings, ever.
Of note to the discussion, I am a shit lifter with toothpick calves.
Congrats on the A.[/quote]
Nice work on the paper, Beth.
We might be off on the wrong track with the calves.
I suspect the seat of emotion, or lack thereof, is located in the traps. It has to do with blood flow to the head. The emotional constriction can be made worse by turtlenecks that are too tight.
I recently bought one of these for my husband for father’s day. He claims to feel a lot better if I roll the hell out of his traps with it. Also, if he’s acting like an emotionally stunted jerk, a few whacks upside the head will mellow him right out. I highly recommend.
