I was curious about natural testosterone supplements and if the effects are testosterone related or not.
T-Bomb 2: increases my aggression but is that a sign of my testosterone increasing or just a herb that makes you aggressive and irritable without raises your testosterone?
T-Bomb 2: increases my sex drive but does that correlate with an increase in testosterone.
Animal Stak 2: makes my voice deep but is that an effect of increase testosterone or a herb that mimics the affects of testosterone.
These supplements I have taken for a long time but generally that make me feel better and increase my appetite and increase my aggression. My increases in size might be from working out harder due to increase aggression and calories ingested from increased appetite.
I’m taking the DAA and Erase and on the 12 days my sex drive increased dramatically but my body is burnout or lethargic. Strange. Just because my sex drive increased doesn’t mean my test increased or does it. morning wood is good.
increase in test levels usually means increased sex drive to a point. increased aggression is debatable, it might increase it a bit but not to a level where anyone could tell a difference. if people can tell a difference its probably an increase in anxiety. all the mytical roid-rage is, is a mind game they think they are more manly because of the test they take and they attribute aggression to being a real man so they think if they are super aggressive they will be thought of as real manly man.
i would just stop trying to mess with your bodies natural systems, they are way smarter than you. if you don’t have optimal levels of anything in your body its because of some underlying factor not a lack an herb or other ingredient that has been bottled by a company
[quote]rdali65 wrote:
Anyone have thoughts on this?[/quote]
Yeah, have you had your blood tested?
Herbs are a tricky game, some people seem to respond some don’t. You may be getting optimized test:estrogen ratios then again it could be 100% placebo. You won’t know until you get a before and after blood test how your unique bio-chemistry is reacting.
On the other hand, do you like the results you are getting? The brain is a powerful tool and if you think the results are worth the money then who cares if its a placebo? Personally, this style of supplementation isn’t my-bag as I must know what I am paying for and how it is helping/hindering me.
Oh, and on a side note I think the aggression thing is corny when people are talking about OVC herbal supplements. I have a friend that acts like a complete d*ck-head when he is taking herbal testosterone boosters, even on the first day he takes them.
I swear its like he read the warning label and decided he is going to have those results. If anything “optimized” testosterone (which is all most herbs will do) should give you the feeling of well being not aggression, IMO.
Thanks for the responses. I will not use herbal test boosters that me more aggressive or irritable (t-bomb 2). I never got my blood tested since my doctor doesn’t think my testosterone is low since I have no sexual issues, thus no need to test my blood for issues. I have taken prohormones in early 2000 and the results were great, I felt great and that Alpha Male feeling. I don’t get that Alpha Male feeling from any testosterone supplements but only from pre-workout drinks. I do feel better taking test supplements but they give me any strength increases compared to a pre-workout drink.
I don’t want to take methyl prohormones since my body is very sensitive to that stuff. I told the trifecta from LG Sciences and I felt lethargic and sick but my wood was like a rock (due to the yohmibe most likely). I took that Primordial Performance stack and I had extreme, extreme vertigo (dizzy as fuck at work, thought I would pass out, after a week of taking that crap).
Any testosterone supplements that work? I feel great on Now L-dopa/velet bean (calm, and it suppose to decrease prolactin levels, recommended by dr oz, one of only two herbs he recommends). stress is my issue and I respond quickly to herbs, stimulants (coffee, preworkout stuff) more than a normal person. Any good test supplements anyone recommends? please don’t tell me lies to sell something that doesn’t work but your profitting on. I just want the truth.
[quote]JLone wrote:
Oh, and on a side note I think the aggression thing is corny when people are talking about OVC herbal supplements. I have a friend that acts like a complete d*ck-head when he is taking herbal testosterone boosters, even on the first day he takes them.
I swear its like he read the warning label and decided he is going to have those results. If anything “optimized” testosterone (which is all most herbs will do) should give you the feeling of well being not aggression, IMO.[/quote]
Basically this. That placebo effect can be a bitch. There is a much greater chance you are just being more of an asshole because you feel you have an excuse than anything else.
I seriously doubt a supplement bought over the counter is making your voice deeper.
[quote]rdali65 wrote:
I was curious about natural testosterone supplements and if the effects are testosterone related or not.
T-Bomb 2: increases my aggression but is that a sign of my testosterone increasing or just a herb that makes you aggressive and irritable without raises your testosterone?
T-Bomb 2: increases my sex drive but does that correlate with an increase in testosterone.
Animal Stak 2: makes my voice deep but is that an effect of increase testosterone or a herb that mimics the affects of testosterone.
These supplements I have taken for a long time but generally that make me feel better and increase my appetite and increase my aggression. My increases in size might be from working out harder due to increase aggression and calories ingested from increased appetite.
I’m taking the DAA and Erase and on the 12 days my sex drive increased dramatically but my body is burnout or lethargic. Strange. Just because my sex drive increased doesn’t mean my test increased or does it. morning wood is good.
Anyone have thoughts on this?[/quote]
your increase in aggression can be from the increased testosterone aromatizing into estrogen and giving you a bad mood, short temper, and mood swings. when you get the right combination of increased testosterone while controlling estrogen, you get a calm, cool and collective attitude.
the increase in sex drive can be from the testosterone converting into DHT.
I’m starting a new workout, going back to basics: clean and presses, deadlifts, squats, pullups and bench press only for awhile. that should increase my testosterone naturally. 5x5 workout is the plan.
Note: I’ve been in over two weeks on DAA with Erase and Animal Stak. I’m doing another forum item on this letting people know if it works or not. Basically, it hasn’t prevented burnout or helped this 40 year old recover faster from my workouts or increase my strength at all. Morning wood every day after the 12th day, but sex drive has been the same which is a good thing. I had knee pain for the first time in my life which went away in four days. I don’t know if it related to the Erase supplement which may be a placebo affect also.
Let me know which supplements work. I’m lost, but with your guys help, I can progress. thanks for taking the time to help.
Started my 5x5 workout yesterday. my dumbbell bench press went up 5 lbs on each arm. (95 lb dumbbells). I could of done more. Feeling good. My arms were pumped up even though I didn’t do any curls and I won’t for awhile. Squats (5x5 on machine for awhile, back issue, being safe). Dead lifts, pull downs, dumbbell presses, on two sets of shoulder press with dumbbells. still think my strength increase was from getting more rest last week due to knee injury and not supplements except preworkout supplement. back to basics. abs today and walking. I love my ab workout - two sets planks (front and side), hanging leg raises, weighted cable crunches, weighted side bends, and weighted twist (don’t know what it’s called).
Status: stopped taking DAA and Erase after over three weeks. feel like shit on it. I felt better on other supplements. I’m going to get my money back. going to get blood tests at my doctor for test levels and get advice. I’m too young (40 years old) to feel like shit and not recover faster. I do love the feeling of stronger abs due to weighted ab workouts, the feeling after deadlifts and squats but taking a supplement that makes you feel weaker doesn’t make any sense.
I’ve had the same effect from a supplement called T Matrix which has an effective dise if DAA and some other herbal ingredients (same effect being aggression not feeling shit/weak) im managing to keep it under control to the extent that no-one else has noticed, but that is the result of a huge effort on my part. my ‘fuse’ is noticably shorter.
putter2712 - I’m feeling a lot better not taking DAA and Erase. Just taking a preworkout and protein shakes. I’m following the K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid forumla) and it works better for me.