Against Huckabee

I mentioned before in another thread that Huckabee is my least favorite among the Republican candidates - this post by Prof. Ilya Somin does an excellent job of explaining why:

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_12_09-2007_12_15.shtml#1197597323

[i][Ilya Somin, December 13, 2007 at 8:55pm] Trackbacks
Against Mike Huckabee:

I may not know who I’m for in the Republican presidential race. But I do know one leading candidate I’m definitely against: newly anointed frontrunner Mike Huckabee.

Conservative UCLA law professor Steve Bainbridge ( ProfessorBainbridge.com ), libertarian Cato Institute scholar Michael Tanner ( http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316496,00.html ), and libertarian-leaning columnist Deroy Murdock ( http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZGMxOGI1ZjIwYzgwNDRiNzEzYzI1NmI5NjFiZGM4MjE= ) present some excellent reasons why anyone who cares about limiting the power of government has every reason to oppose Huckabee’s nomination. In addition, the pro-free market Club for Growth gives a strongly negative review of his record on economic policy as Governor of Arkansas ( http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/01/a_report_on_mike_huckabees_fis.php ), concluding that he holds “profoundly anti-growth positions on taxes, spending, and government regulation.” As Bainbridge points out, the libertarian Cato Institute gave Huckabee an “F” on its fiscal policy report card, a worse record than numerous very liberal Democratic governors.

I don’t quite agree with all of Bainbridge, Tanner, and Murdock’s points. Like Huckabee and unlike Bainbridge, I support the death penalty; like Huckabee and unlike Murdock, I am skeptical of the need to use waterboarding of prisoners as part of the War on Terror. However, the overall picture of Huckabee that emerges is one that exemplifies the worst elements of “big government conservatism.” Huckabee combines a predilection for high levels of government spending and economic regulation with an even stronger commitment to nanny state regulation of personal behavior. The latter is exemplified by such positions as his support for a national smoking ban, his advocacy of government programs to prevent obesity, and his enthusiasm for government enforcement of conservative social mores.

To be sure, as I noted in one of my earlier posts on the presidential race ( The Volokh Conspiracy - - ), candidates’ records are difficult to interpret because many of the positions they take are produced by the political constraints they face rather than by conviction. Perhaps some of the more objectionable elements of Huckabee’s record are products of the vagaries of Arkansas politics. Nonetheless, it is telling that in his years as governor of relatively conservative Arkansas, Huckabee posted a significantly more anti-market record on economic policy than did Romney as governor of liberal Massachusetts and Giuliani as mayor of liberal New York City; indeed, his record was worse than that of many liberal Democratic governors of liberal states. It is also noteworthy that Huckabee endorses not only those forms of social regulation that other conservatives embrace (e.g. - cracking down on pornography), but also many of those usually associated with liberals (e.g. - the smoking ban). The latter can’t easily be explained by the constraints Huckabee faced in conservative Arkansas.

I’ll end on this note: the real danger posed by Huckabee is not so much his potential impact on specific policies as his impact on the future of the Republican Party. As president, Huckabee’s policy initiatives will to some extent be constrained by a Democratic Congress and other factors. However, if he attains a reasonable degree of popularity and political success, a President Huckabee would have a freer hand in reshaping his own party in his image. He might be able to complete the work begun by George W. Bush and his congressional allies ( The Volokh Conspiracy - George W, Richard Nixon, and Big Government Conservatism: ): the transformation of the Republican Party into a pro-big government party emphasizing populism and social conservatism. At this point, of course, it is still much more likely that the next president will be a Democrat. However, if things continue to improve in Iraq and the economy doesn’t go south, there is some chance of a Republican victory. If it does happen, let’s hope the lucky beneficiary won’t be Mike Huckabee. One big government conservative administration in the 21st century is more than enough.[/i]

He went completely insane when he decided to run for President. The last two years he was in office down here I could have sworn he was a Democrat. And now we have a Dem who’s cutting taxes, wtf?

So we have Huckabee and his questionable economic policies, Romney and his liberal health care plan, and Guiliani the most liberal candidate in the field. I keep flip-flopping between Huckabee and Romney as far as who I hope wins.

After the Florida debate, I was leaning towards Huckabee, after the recent Iowa debate I am wishing Thompson would have started campaigning earlier. He appears to be getting much more comfortable behind the podium and we are finally starting to see some fire in his belly. Of the candidates that can seriously challenge for the nomination, I like his views the most.

[quote]tedro wrote:
So we have Huckabee and his questionable economic policies, Romney and his liberal health care plan, and Guiliani the most liberal candidate in the field. I keep flip-flopping between Huckabee and Romney as far as who I hope wins.
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Republicans seem hell bent on simply making existing government bureaucracy more ‘efficient.’ Where is the case for dumping entire federal departments? NEA? Department of Education? Any of these from the Federal government’s own site?

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agencies/N.shtml
Does that look like the limited role for Federal Government the founders left to us? Could not at least half of theme get the axe?

And why does Republican fiscal conservatism now involve the redistribution of wealth to private entities, as oppossed to a public agency? Because a private agency could run entitlements more efficiently? Perhaps, but what happened to believing wealth redistribution was wrong whether the agency recieving taxpayer money is a private organization or not. What happened to simply leaving freedom and responsibility solely in the hands of the individual?

And yeah, Huckabee, this thread’s subject. This guy is a serious contender now?! Rudy and Romney were bad enough.

[quote]tedro wrote:
So we have Huckabee and his questionable economic policies, Romney and his liberal health care plan, and Guiliani the most liberal candidate in the field. I keep flip-flopping between Huckabee and Romney as far as who I hope wins.

After the Florida debate, I was leaning towards Huckabee, after the recent Iowa debate I am wishing Thompson would have started campaigning earlier. He appears to be getting much more comfortable behind the podium and we are finally starting to see some fire in his belly. Of the candidates that can seriously challenge for the nomination, I like his views the most.[/quote]

tedro,

If you are a Republican, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE THINKING WITH huckabee.

I have no clue why people are even considering this guy. He has a willie horton story that is going to blow up in his face. His pardon number as Governor is pretty suspect. His stance on immigration is poor.

If you vote for huckabee in the primary, my only guess is that you are one of those one issue jackasses.

Let me make this clear: huckabee couldn’t overturn roe vs wade.

Period.

There is no plausible scenario where he could get this done.

So get it out of your brain.

Can anyone tell I’m not a big fan of the far Right?

If you are free from sin, can’t find forgiveness in your heart and decide to judge Rudy, then why not vote for Fred Thompson?

JeffR

[quote]tedro wrote:
So we have Huckabee and his questionable economic policies, Romney and his liberal health care plan, and Guiliani the most liberal candidate in the field. I keep flip-flopping between Huckabee and Romney as far as who I hope wins.

After the Florida debate, I was leaning towards Huckabee, after the recent Iowa debate I am wishing Thompson would have started campaigning earlier. He appears to be getting much more comfortable behind the podium and we are finally starting to see some fire in his belly. Of the candidates that can seriously challenge for the nomination, I like his views the most.[/quote]

tedro,

This is an article by Rich Lowry. In it he uses the Phrase “huckacide.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/12/huckacide.html

JeffR

Good post. Huck may not get my lesser of two evils vote after all. Will someone light a fire under Thompson’s ass? Maybe he needs a stunt double.

mike

[quote]JeffR wrote:
tedro wrote:
So we have Huckabee and his questionable economic policies, Romney and his liberal health care plan, and Guiliani the most liberal candidate in the field. I keep flip-flopping between Huckabee and Romney as far as who I hope wins.

After the Florida debate, I was leaning towards Huckabee, after the recent Iowa debate I am wishing Thompson would have started campaigning earlier. He appears to be getting much more comfortable behind the podium and we are finally starting to see some fire in his belly. Of the candidates that can seriously challenge for the nomination, I like his views the most.

tedro,

If you are a Republican, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE THINKING WITH huckabee.

I have no clue why people are even considering this guy. He has a willie horton story that is going to blow up in his face. His pardon number as Governor is pretty suspect. His stance on immigration is poor.

If you vote for huckabee in the primary, my only guess is that you are one of those one issue jackasses.

Let me make this clear: huckabee couldn’t overturn roe vs wade.

Period.

There is no plausible scenario where he could get this done.

So get it out of your brain.

Can anyone tell I’m not a big fan of the far Right?

If you are free from sin, can’t find forgiveness in your heart and decide to judge Rudy, then why not vote for Fred Thompson?

JeffR[/quote]

Hey Jeff, if Thompson had a little more fight in him would you pick him over Rudy? If not, why?

mike

[quote]JeffR wrote:
tedro,

If you are a Republican, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE THINKING WITH huckabee.

I have no clue why people are even considering this guy. He has a willie horton story that is going to blow up in his face. His pardon number as Governor is pretty suspect. His stance on immigration is poor.

If you vote for huckabee in the primary, my only guess is that you are one of those one issue jackasses.

Let me make this clear: huckabee couldn’t overturn roe vs wade.

Period.

There is no plausible scenario where he could get this done.

So get it out of your brain.

Can anyone tell I’m not a big fan of the far Right?

If you are free from sin, can’t find forgiveness in your heart and decide to judge Rudy, then why not vote for Fred Thompson?

JeffR[/quote]

You are probably right about Huckabee. Wayne Dumond will definitely blow up in his face. I am surprised it isn’t all over the media already. Like I said, I have been flip-flopping with him for a while. I think that the thing about him is he is very compassionate and likeable, but sometimes this compassion causes him to make liberal decisions, which Republicans then overlook because of his compassion.

Forgiving Rudy is not the issue. I don’t like him for his abortion stance, gun control, and questionable policies regarding taxes.

If Alan Keyes makes the ballot for the Kansas Caucus, my vote will go to him. I do recognize that he is not going to win, and that is why I choose to endorse other candidates as well.

With that being said, Thompson has views closest to mine, when considering the candidates that have a legitimate shot at winning. And as I said before, if he would have started campaigning earlier I think he would be doing a lot better now. He seems to be much more comfortable and is starting to show that he does actually want to be president. If he continues this, and Keyes does not make the ballot, he is likely to get my vote.

Seems the Huckster lied abut his theology degree:

From NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum and Domenico Montanaro

After the news conference with Ed Rollins in Concord, NH, Huckabee and Rollins, his new national campaign manager, took some questions. The last question was about a Powerline blog, a conservative blog, story that he did not, in fact, have a theology degree, as he has claimed. Here is Huckabee’s response:

“I have a bachelor of arts in religion and a minor in communications in my undergraduate work. And then I have 46 hours on a master’s degree at Southwestern Theology Seminary. So, my degree as a theological degree is at the college level and then 46 hours toward a masters – three years of study of New Testament Greek, and then the rest of it, all in Seminary was theological studies, but my degree was actually in religion.”

Here’s what Huckabee said in a Christian Broadcasting Network interview:
“I’m as strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I’m stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It’s a theocratic war. And I don’t know if anybody fully understands that. I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well.”

From NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum and Domenico Montanaro

After the news conference with Ed Rollins in Concord, NH, Huckabee and Rollins, his new national campaign manager, took some questions. The last question was about a Powerline blog, a conservative blog, story that he did not, in fact, have a theology degree, as he has claimed. Here is Huckabee’s response:

“I have a bachelor of arts in religion and a minor in communications in my undergraduate work. And then I have 46 hours on a master’s degree at Southwestern Theology Seminary. So, my degree as a theological degree is at the college level and then 46 hours toward a masters – three years of study of New Testament Greek, and then the rest of it, all in Seminary was theological studies, but my degree was actually in religion.”

Here’s what Huckabee said in a Christian Broadcasting Network interview:
“I’m as strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I’m stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It’s a theocratic war. And I don’t know if anybody fully understands that. I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well.”

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
tedro wrote:
So we have Huckabee and his questionable economic policies, Romney and his liberal health care plan, and Guiliani the most liberal candidate in the field. I keep flip-flopping between Huckabee and Romney as far as who I hope wins.

After the Florida debate, I was leaning towards Huckabee, after the recent Iowa debate I am wishing Thompson would have started campaigning earlier. He appears to be getting much more comfortable behind the podium and we are finally starting to see some fire in his belly. Of the candidates that can seriously challenge for the nomination, I like his views the most.

tedro,

If you are a Republican, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE THINKING WITH huckabee.

I have no clue why people are even considering this guy. He has a willie horton story that is going to blow up in his face. His pardon number as Governor is pretty suspect. His stance on immigration is poor.

If you vote for huckabee in the primary, my only guess is that you are one of those one issue jackasses.

Let me make this clear: huckabee couldn’t overturn roe vs wade.

Period.

There is no plausible scenario where he could get this done.

So get it out of your brain.

Can anyone tell I’m not a big fan of the far Right?

If you are free from sin, can’t find forgiveness in your heart and decide to judge Rudy, then why not vote for Fred Thompson?

JeffR

Jeff,

While I’m not a big fan of the religious right either you’ve got a few things wrong.

First, a President Huckabee (sounds funny huh? Probably because it’s not going to happen) could easily appoint pro life judges to the Supreme Court, just as Bush did by the way.

And secondly, I think it’s the desire of the religious right to return the abortion issue to the state, and that could happen.

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Mick,

The problem is that he couldn’t “easily” appoint those judges.

History has shown that it’s really quite difficult to appoint true activist judges. He/she would have to have the removal of roe vs wade as their highest priority. Something of that priority would show in their past rulings. The members of the Senate Judiciary committee would be all over a true activist.

Worse for this scenario, huckabee would have to appoint many of these judges in a row.

Now, turning the abortion issue to the state is more likely to happen, in my opinion. However, I still can’t help being doubtful.

JeffR

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Seems the Huckster lied abut his theology degree:

“I have a bachelor of arts in religion…”

Your idea of a Theology degree and Huckabees might be two different things, but he certainly didn’t lie.
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He may think he wasn’t lying…I can believe that. He just doesn’t know what a theology degree is.

He sounded like we was implying he was a theologian. There is a huge difference between studying relgion and studying theology.

Some interesting Arkansas observations on Huckabee:

http://freemanhunt.blogspot.com/2007/10/he-destroyed-conservative-movement-in.html

Not good ones.

Some analysis of Huckabee’s “loopy” foreign policy ideas:

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Some analysis of Huckabee’s “loopy” foreign policy ideas:

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You know, I like Huckabee - but I don’t think he should be president. He seems a decent man who frankly has waded into deeper waters than he is ready.

His foreign policy views are troublesome generally - and while I like a candidate with a quick and personable wit, Huckabee has not done himself a service with his “Holiday Inn Express” quip over and over; it makes him look silly and deflective on the questions coming his way.

I’m anti Free Market economics anyway. As far as Taxes go, there are somethings the government exists to provide, roads, police, fire-department, education, and must raise taxes if necessary to pay for those services. Beyond that, there is always waste, pork, and corruption that should be eliminated but never is.

It seems like the majority here is pro-free market, and private sector, and that’s all good. That’s what we have elections for.

As to the article on his foreign policy, I don’t see how you could expect anything but vague ideas at this point. The winner won’t take office for another 14 months and a lot can change in that time. Anyone who says exactly how they are going to handle a situation this far in advance is either lying or stupid.