Been on trt now for years and been lifting and eating relatively clean diet for at least 5 years now . Was wondering what would be a good add on to 240 mg a week test cyp divided into 2 shots to help build a little muscle . I love lifting but at the same time realize I’m 44 and def don’t need anything crazy but just a little kick to put on some muscle
This isn’t TRT. What is your T value on this?
TRT doesn’t provide a kick. Some men report feeling bit better with added HCG, including myself.
Mainly need help with recovery, have a 16 year old son who loves lifting and that’s the one thing we can do together, Problem lies in the fact I’m not 16 and can’t keep up anymore ! Peak levels are around 1100 total and 275 free on quest scale which def has me high normal on total and a little high on free . Calories aren’t the problem as I love eating and since I quit drinking 5 years ago other than lifting food is the only hobby I got . Guess I should have been more specific but really my goal is a little more progress and better recovery
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Yes , inject with 27 gauge 1/2 inch in the arm twice weekly
Test is from cvs
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True, but the title is “What to add to TRT?”
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How are your lipids and blood pressure? Have you used anything other than testosterone in the past?
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Lipids are great and blood pressure is around 100 / 75 resting , can’t remember exactly but just ran a complete lipid panel and everything was spot on , like I said my diet is pretty clean , don’t drink , don’t smoke so pretty good shape overall
Been on trt for at least 20 years of my life , I have absolutely no reason to lie about my numbers , I asked a simple question about adding something to my regimen
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Started around age 20 due to injury and yes I get a lot better dose response in glutes and quads but after twenty years I choose to go with the less painful option
As most things, anything could be considered crazy, dependent on the dose. I think most would agree that primo has the best safety profile and could add on a modest amount of muscle to your frame.
I recently gave deca a try 700mg/WK and closely monitored my lipids and BP along with other stats. Surprisingly my bloodwork showed to be better on deca than just TRT alone. My HCT and lipids completely normal range along with BP. But this could likely be caused by taking much better care of myself nutrition-wise as well as adding in more cardio. I highly doubt the deca did me any favors regarding my lipid profile.
It’s controversial to suggest adding a Nandrolone to your TRT but perhaps 100mg/WK of deca could provide you the modest boost you are seeking. Many clinics actually prescribe it.
Please take everything I wrote as my own anecdotal experience. I’m closing in on 40 and will not be doing any large cycles in the future. The deca cycle I described above was my ‘yolo’ moment and I’m happy with the outcome. But like I said, one time was enough.
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How u get like that on 120 a week is impressive, I have wondered is the length of time I have been doing this with no breaks at all in 20 + years affects my response to my dose
please post a pic?
how are your food and training setup in detail? ( I saw you said eat clean, means different things to different people)
I ask because I make more progress with adjustments to my macros and training than with more aas.
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You’ve got T levels similar to that of your son right now.
As for add-ons regarding recovery, consider BPC-157 or some other Growth Hormone stimulating Peptide.
A light dose of nandrolone to help with achy knees may be justifiable.
You are not on “TRT” with your dosage, and you ARE making health tradeoffs that aren’t smart, but I think you’re aware of that too… you might alao want to think of how it will look when your teenage son sees you taking steroids, and how to explain to him why NOT to do the same.
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I agree it’s high but it’s dr prescribed and it’s where I feel the best at , is it safe long term I’m not sure but my doc likes what my blood work looks like as far as my son I’ve explained exactly why I go to the dr and also the dangers of steroids and the long term implications of using them as for what u consider steroids or abuse is up to u
Ballpark estimate to test levels that a 16 year old likely has. That, combined with sky high GH levels tends to lead to a LOT of muscle gain for relatively little effort > similar to TRT+ dose growth rate.
It’s not scientifically accurate, just an easy way to explain why a son’s father shouldn’t be engaging in even more AAS use.
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Do you think he will listen to your words, or your actions? Not trying to be “that guy”, but it’s worth mentioning. We dont need to continue this part of the conversation - you will parent how you see fit.
I mean sure, to an extent. If I’m on TRT of 250mg Test, 200mg Deca, 50mg Var and 6IU HGH, does that mean I’m abusing steroids? Even if they were prescribed?
I get what you’re saying, but you’re taking a TRT dose that is 20% above the normal cutoff for TRT, and even 200mg/wk is subjective. Now you’re saying you want to add more…?
As I stated earlier I’ve been on trt for 20 + years due to some pretty shitty stuff , I’ve dealt with the embarrassment and depression that comes along with starting at such an early age or the humiliation of telling ur girlfriend or wife that u are on trt at 20 so for u to act all high and mighty and suggest that I would encourage my son to abuse steroids is utterly ridiculous
I didn’t say you were encouraging him, i implied he’s likely to follow in your footsteps (something you probably want, right?) and that taking more enhancement isn’t going to set the right example IMO. I’m not going to debate you on your parenting style, i just thought it was worth noting. Your welcome to take offense to it, but none was intended.
I already advised what you could take that would help you specifically achieve what you’re looking for, and it’s all quite reasonable to take (compared to something like 200mg Deca for “TRT”).
Bump
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Personally, I wouldn’t go higher with Test / AAS doses unless it was for a brief period of time (like a blast). It is a personal decision that involves your risk / reward calculations.
For me, in a long term context (TRT / cruise), once I am maxed out on how high I am comfortable going with the Test dose, I’d add HGH next since my IGF-1 labs have all been at the very bottom of the range. This wouldn’t make sense if you had middle to top of the range values for IGF-1 or HGH.
If I am thinking short term, I’d do a blast (a cycle but instead of coming off, going back to TRT doses), but only if I thought I could maintain the muscle on my TRT / cruise dose. This eliminates any really large dose blasts. Something like 2.5-3.5X my cruise dose, and I like to add in a mild oral towards the end.
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