[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
5.0 wrote:
Of course, you said you were running 400mg/wk, so to keep yourself at that level, you’d need 1600mg in order to have 400mg still active at the 28 day mark. One 400mg poke each, left and right ventroglute and quad would keep you covered.
Honestly, though, that amount just makes me shudder, considering I got the anxiety sides even @ 200mg/week. Good thing you’re built like you are. Good luck!
Good call 5.0, 3 pokes. And I guess I’ll find out how I do with that much in me, it should be interesting considering I’ll be getting on a 12 hour flight over the Pacific ocean, lol…
Jelly[/quote]
Whoops, four pokes. I meant left and right ventro, and left and right quad.
Unless you want to compromise @ 1200mg, leaving you around 300mg at 28 days. Then yes, three pokes. I’m wondering about sides as well, at that dosing.
[quote]AlteredState wrote:
I would be inclined not to try and maintain your ‘proper’ cycle dosage, due to the excessive depot needed, which might bring on sides.
Anyone remember H-train and his EQ gyno?[/quote]
Thanks again Alter. That thread is a good read in light of what we’re discussing here about ester length/blood levels. Here’s the link in case anyone else is interested. http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1524861
[quote]AlteredState wrote:
I would be inclined not to try and maintain your ‘proper’ cycle dosage, due to the excessive depot needed, which might bring on sides.
Anyone remember H-train and his EQ gyno?[/quote]
lol! i can see that it is possible if you double the dose of eq to a relative gyno inducing test dose… seeing as it has supposedly half the rate of aromatisation.
But jelly could still use an AI though couldnt he? that would be ok to take with surely?
I remember the old H-train big sucker. Gyno is as gyno does though sometimes. You got guys who will get it and guys like myself [praise the Lord] who are very resistant too it.
I should point out since I sometimes am the only one here championing this cause. I do not subscribe to the conventional belief on esters. I still hold to the carbons x .7 formula whereas all those internet charts seem to follow nearly double that guideline. So yeah EQ or undeca Test reports as 14 day half life. But again IMO and common practice seem to back this up if you follow the .7 formula you are only going to be getting about 8 days before you it the half life point. Under my forumla 1600 would be 800 after 8 days and 400 after 15 days and still about 200 after the 4 weeks to one month point.
I realize the circumstances aren’t better and maybe a super massive front load is the only way to fly. Its too bad JR doesn’t have some orals he could just throw into any old bottle and call it aspirin.
Thanks Saps and Brook, that’s a different way of calculating blood-levels that I hadn’t come across before, now I’ve got some more reading to do!
That’s what I like about all you guys here on the steroid forum, everytime I’m here I learn something new.
As for gyno, I think I’m in the same boat as Saps. I’ve never had any issues around it myself, but I still like to be prepared just in case. I have Proviron, Arimidex, and Nolvadex on hand, and like Brook said, I think that should be OK to toss in a pill bottle for my trip.
I’m planning on just weightlifting 2x a week while I’m over there, so I guess I’ll see how everything all works out for me. I think it’ll be a nice break for my body, no grappling/kickboxing/fieldwork, just lifting weights the bare minimum and eating lots of dog/cat/rat protein.
I’ve heard from a buddy who went travelling in China last year, that they have all kinds of little old-school gyms there, with the home-made equipment and everyone training with their shirts off. He said they were like how the old 60’s/70’s gyms were over here, that they’re still in the Arnold/Franco/Sergio era. So I’ll take some pictures for you guys!
JR
This will be a slight thread hijack but again I’ve been saying what follows periodically for the past 2 years off and on here at tnation but because it is a minority opinion it needs repeating every several months.
For the record the .7xcarbons caluclation is not my own. Years ago I did read an internet story on it. However, for $1000 I could not produce the link. I just cannot find it anywhere I search for it. This suggests this opinion might not have overwhelming scientific backing. That’s not my concern. My concern is real world testing.
In the real world why is it that Tren Ace is recommended as an ED and Test Prop and EOD? Same reason Test Enanthate or Cypionate are advised as E3D or bi-weekly. Same reason further that Deca and EQ can be recommended as infrequently as once a week.
All the above common place recommendations follow the formula above and the injection frequency occurs prior to reaching your half-life point.
Years ago I ran Test Cyp as a weekly inject. According to the popular internet sites on half-lives Cyp is like a 10-12 day half life. I got decent results to be sure. 8 carbons x .7 is 5.6 days after all so even once a week I was just a day or so past half-life using the .7 formula. However, when switching Cyp and subsequently Enan to a bi-weekly schedule I achieved substantially better results. By injecting every 3.5 days with products that had 4.9 or 5.6 day half-lives I was never experiencing the degree of loss of product I was formerly.
See for yourself. Find how many carbon atoms your product has and multiply by .7. Then figure out what your injection frequency should be. Prop is the one whose injection frequency comes closest to hitting the half life. EOD is of course every 2 days. Prop has 3 carbons for a 2.1 day half life according to the formula. I think we all know individuals who do or have done Prop as an ED.
