Hey, I’ve been doing a lot of research and have been reading a lot on this forum for a few years now. I just created a new name to post on here cuz I’m paranoid like that.
I’m 25, 5’7 at 168lbs. I don’t know what my bf% is but I have a well defined 4 pack (don’t have 6.) I’ve been training for five years now, the last three I’ve upped the intensity and intelligence of my workouts (mainly due to discovering this site). I’m using the carb cycling codex diet because my carb tolerance sucks. I’m currently about to start the third phase of thibs beast building routine.
I wanted to use test e for my first cycle, but unfortunately the only gear I can get is sustanon 250. I know that optimal injection is ed or eod, but where I’m at right now I have almost no privacy and that high of an injection frequency is gonna be hard to hide. Here’s what I have planned cycle-wise.
10-12 weeks at 500mg a week. I haven’t decided if I want to go for the full 12 or keep it a little shorter as it is my first cycle. Wait two weeks and then start PCT with nolva at 80/60/40/20/20. I’m going to try to obtain some arimidex before starting my cycle, but I’m not sure if that’s going to happen or not.
I have a few questions for the vets.
1)Is every third day a possiblity or is that gonna mess with my levels too much?
2)Is there anyway to taper sust 250 or is the nolva pct the way to go?
3)I know that gear affects everyone differently, but what gains have you made with this? My friend did a 10 week cycle with the same plan I’ve outlined and gained 19 pounds. He kept 16 of it after pct.
If I’m missing something huge here, feel free to let me know. I don’t want to start anything until I’ve planned it out perfectly and have all aspects nailed down. Thanks!
The thing with sust, is it has 4 esters - 2 of which are short lasting. It has a prop and a Phenyl prop - these need a dosing schedule that will be often enough to allow stable blood levels and if that isnt given, then those esters are all but useless.
These 2 esters account for 90mg of the 250. Whats more is of a E3D frequency, the Phenyl SHOULD be able to get stable if you are dilligent, so the prop (a mere 30mg of the 250mg) will be the only ester not working to its max potential.
So it will be fine, not the best - but fine. Remember that people gain off 500mg injected ONCE a week of sust, showing that many dont need THAT much test to grow.
as i said, not ideal, but workable.
For tapering, the same info is needed - so as a taper, you would inject more often than an enanth or cyp taper - ED or EOD preferably. I would suggest that during the taper E3D is NOT acceptable. this is due to the fact you will be messing up a very specific dosing schedule by injecting some test and not allowing stable levels of it. Your dosing will be wrong basically.
But if you want to taper, you would use 100mg a week for the stasis and dose that as 15mg a day (0.06ml) FUN!
Maybe easier to use tamoxifen in your circumstances…
I would wait more like 3 weeks after sustanon before starting PCT… due to the decanoate (active life approx. 21 days).
I would say for a first cycle, 500mg sust over even 8 weeks, would be sufficient to gain, have minimal side effects, keep alot and get a good feel for the drug.
Remember, if you could inject EOD instead of E3D (3-4 inj. instead of 2-3 inj.) you would get more from it, and be able to run it for 8 weeks. 10 weeks being optimal.
Thanks for the info! I’m still leaning towards nolva, but if I were to do a test taper, would something like 4 weeks at 100mg, then 80/60/40/20 be good? I hadn’t considered proviron because I was tryig to keep the cycle as simple as possible, but now that you mention it I’m gonna try to get that instead of arimidex. Thanks again for the input.
[quote]83atg wrote:
I’m going to try to obtain some arimidex before starting my cycle, but I’m not sure if that’s going to happen or not.
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If I’m missing something huge here, feel free to let me know. I don’t want to start anything until I’ve planned it out perfectly and have all aspects nailed down. Thanks![/quote]
JJ’s post contains some good info for your questions.
Also, I quoted your statement that concerns me a little. I would suggest having nolva in your possesion before starting your cycle. A-dex would be fine too. To me, it is just too risky to not have something ready incase any sides sneek up on you.
Guys who have used many times before know how their body reacts better and know whether or not they need anything.
So my suggestion would be to have enough nolva or a-dex (etc) ready in case you need it all cycle and have enough ready for pct as well.
PS, I’m not a vet either, just wanted to point that little thing out.
[quote]83atg wrote:
Thanks for the info! I’m still leaning towards nolva, but if I were to do a test taper, would something like 4 weeks at 100mg, then 80/60/40/20 be good? I hadn’t considered proviron because I was tryig to keep the cycle as simple as possible, but now that you mention it I’m gonna try to get that instead of arimidex. Thanks again for the input.[/quote]
AAHHH… its not a replacement for Arimidex!
Arimidex is a standard in any cycle containing test. Proviron, while being an aromatase inhibitor to a degree, it cannot do the job like arimidex.
I mention the proviron because it is a very useful addition to low dose test cycles as it allows the body to get the most of the testosterone.
There is another chemical in the body that will inactivate testosterone if it is in abundance, the proviron will make that chemical (SHBG) unable to attach to as much testosterone - making the amount of actice drug higher. noticeably so. I run it with every cycle.
My personal opinion is that if you plan to use sus then EOD/ED is the only way to do it. If you cant use it EOD then dont use it. If thats all you can get its time to look some more until you can find a more suitable product for your need.
If you happen to be in the US and cant find adex then you havent looked hard enough.
80mg of nolva is way more than you need to consume in any given day. Go with 40 for the first week and then 20 for 3 after.
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
My personal opinion is that if you plan to use sus then EOD/ED is the only way to do it. If you cant use it EOD then dont use it. If thats all you can get its time to look some more until you can find a more suitable product for your need.
If you happen to be in the US and cant find adex then you havent looked hard enough.
80mg of nolva is way more than you need to consume in any given day. Go with 40 for the first week and then 20 for 3 after.[/quote]
I second that on the Nolva
I’m doing the same thing you might be, OP. 10 weeks of 500 mg sustanon per week. I’m splitting it into EOD injects, .6 cc per shot. 3.5 shots x .6 cc= 525 mg per week.
Im a Vet, i just performed an operation on a Cat with my Transit Van, it was feeling bloated so i flattened it out haha j/k
No not a vet sorry but im here to tell you sust will suck for you e3d, i hate the stuff but if were to use it again i would probably inject daily.
Have you looked round hard enough, and i mean really looked for another source, you would much prefer straight up enanthate. You can use the taper as well smoothly then.
i think its funny how everyone is so reluctant to call them selfs a vet lol. lot of good minds floating around here, maybe we should desegregate things a little lol.
i can think of 5 maybe 6 people i would truly call a veteran here, in the steroid game, and its not just from experience either but the scientific side and the creative aspect also coming up with new ideas and experimenting.
OP/ sust WILL work for E3D injects…But you will hate it. rollercoaster effects, plus not taking advantage of the full product alas, wasting test!!! JJ already covered pretty much all of it (nicely done!) but seriously consider getting more and shooting EOD or selling/trading to get some single estered enth or cyp.
Thanks for all the input. I’m “over seas” right now so with the limited access I have this is pretty much all there is.
I already have nolva on hand, I’m just waiting on the arimidex (and now the proviron). I’m not stupid enough to start a cycle with no pct on hand. Thanks for correcting my dosages on the nolva!
I’m going to try to load some syringes so that I can get the EOD in, but I’m still not sure it will work out cuz like I said originally, I have almost no privacy. So if you can put the “over seas” and no privacy things together, you’ll understand what I mean. Which I’m sure some of you like DevilDog will be able to do.
So I’m looking at 500mg a week shot at EOD for 8 weeks, then 2-3 weeks of and then PCT with 40/20/20/20 of nolva. I haven’t factored in the proviron or arimidex yet, but I’m not starting my cycle til I get those sometime next week.
Ya, if you can get 3 injections in a week, you should do just fine off that… less and it is bad, more is great. 3 is the minimum i think most will agree.
So inject 0.66ml each day on Mon, Wed, Fri.
Proviron is 50mg a day from at LEAST the last 4 weeks, more if possible but always placed from the end of the cycle forward.
Adex is often used at 0.25-0.5mg EOD but i have met lads who need 1mg ED for cycles… so it is about finding your own need.
I personally use letro for that very reason.
Good luck mate, and good work. We are all very very proud of you US and UK (lived in both very recently - EVERYONE is rooting for you lads)
