Advice and lots of questions from a beginner on cycles

Pharma / TRT
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I have a number of questions, but first some background on me… I’ve been on TRT for 6 years. I started lifting seriously and trying to get my ass into shape about 15 months ago. I went from 260+ down to 225 now (20 years ago I hit 300 pounds… I really let myself go). Dropped a bunch of pant sizes. Look better than I’ve looked in 20+ years. I am 54 years old and am shooting to be in as good if not better shape than I was when I was 25 and in the military (former Cav Scout here). I don’t want to look like the hulk. I’m going for lean and muscular. More fitness model than Arnold Schwarzenegger if that makes sense.

I’m currently on 180mg Test-C per week, evenly divided into two weekly doses. I started Anavar (oxandrolone) through Beligas pharmacy at 50mg per day. I’m 13 days into that cycle. I haven’t seen or felt any big gains yet and I plan to end the cycle at the 6 week mark. I’m definitely not messing around with my organs. I have my most up to date blood from earlier this year and I will get it tested at the end of the anavar cycle.

My questions are this:

  1. I checked the serial # on each box of Oxandrolone 50 with Beligas to determine it wasn’t counterfeit and was manufactured by Beligas, so the stuff was definitely manufactured by them. Does Beligas under dose their gear or are they a legit UGL that provides high quality products? There packaging is certainly something that stands out above and beyond what other UGLs seem to do, which maybe gives me some false confidence. I’m new to this life (although I’ve been doing a ton of reading the last 4-5 weeks to educate myself) so please take it easy if the answers appear obvious.
  2. I’m taking TUDCA at 500mg per day plus Cycle Defend from Huge Supplements. I’m also taking some other liver support from my naturopathic doctor. Is there anything I should be taking to support my kidney function as I understand oxandrolone is mainly processed via the kidneys and not the liver? People seem mostly concerned with liver damage, but I’ve seen a lot conflicting information that it’s processed mainly by the kidneys and not the liver.
  3. I’m taking the oxandrolone sublingually. Am I missing out on additional benefits by crushing it and letting it dissolve under my tongue for 20 mins vs just swallowing the pill? I’ve seen a lot of conflicting information online about that including that while it may be more dangerous to swallow b/c of the 1st pass liver issue (maybe kidneys, too?), there are benefits for how the steroid is broken down and interacts with the receptors that can’t be replicated sublingually.
  4. How long should I wait until after the 6 week cycle is over in order to start a new cycle?
  5. The next cycle would be TRT + primobolan. I am risk adverse, which is why I’m choosing Primo. I would be looking to take a low dose of Primo for 10 weeks at 100mg per week along with my base TRT dose. I’m not looking to bump up my TRT to supraphysiological levels b/c I tried that and put on 23 pounds in 3 weeks before I made the connection. I’m still working on losing the last 13 pounds and it wasn’t all water weight. I was eating like there was no tomorrow (350mg test + 100mg nandrolone decant) and I literally couldn’t put the fork down. I’m looking for body recomposition along with modest strength gains over time. My all time bench was 6 years ago when I hit 325. I promptly tore my triceps tendon in a skiing accident and that was the end of lifting until 15 months ago. I’m hoping to get my bench press to that level by next year. Right now, I’m able to hit 4x10 at 185, which tells me I still have a long way to go.
  6. Will a low dose of Primo at 100mg along with a TRT does weekly give me slow but steady gains? I’m not looking for a mirror transformation over night.

Thanks for taking the time to read this!

CF

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1-Anavar is not a super strong steroid. I would expect a small bump in strength and better pumps.
2-The biggest kidney killer is high BP. If yours is not in check, get it there. Meds if needed. Don’t mess around with the kidneys.
3-It has a short half life. I would take it in the morning and then an hour or so before training. Sublingual is fine.
4-Until your bloods are in check. Your lipids will take the biggest hit with anavar.
5-If you want strength gains primo is not it. Especially running it that low. Low test and deca is great for this. You could add anadrol for a few weeks when your lifts stall to break a plateau.
6-Primo at 100mg/wk is pretty useless. Min 300mg/wk and yes you will see slow progress and keepable gains if you are eating and training correctly.

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Thanks for the response. I guess I’m just looking to wade in and dip my toes into the water slowly. I also know that Primo will crush the E2, and I’m not looking to bump my test up super high b/c when I did that, I put on a ton of weight. Now, I don’t know if it was due to the nandrolone I was taking with it, or if it was solely due to the Test-c at 350mg p/wk, but it definitely freaked me out and I’m still working on dropping the majority of that weight.

I’ll stick with the Anavar for the 6 weeks and re-evaluate when I get my bloods back in check. That’s really solid advice and I thank you. I guess I can try boosting my Test-c to 250-300mg a week and see how my body reacts, but again, I’m really worried about putting on a bunch of bad weight due to the appetite increase.

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If you boost the test just make sure you have an AI ready and keep your diet in check. If you eat a ton of shit your gonna blow up.

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I have Anastrozole at the ready. The T increase made my need for food go through the roof. If I decided to go the Primobolan route, is there anything I can do to counteract the estrogen crash? Or is there a better injectable for me to use alongside TRT that won’t crash my E and won’t have harsh side effects. I’m looking to do this fairly low key, which is why I started with a round of Anavar.

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Primo is about as mild as you’re gonna get.
300 primo/250-300 test should be fine. Around a 1:1 ratio should not crash estrogen.

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Thanks S.Gentz! I appreciate it. I’ll work on that for the next cycle once all of my bloods are clear. I’m thinking it’ll probably be in April if my cycle ends mid-January.

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We are all different though. I can run 300test with 900primo and not crash estrogen. You have to experiment to find what works best for you.

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Other than running bloodwork during the cycle, is there anything else i can do? If im not feeling any low E side-effects is that a barometer for whether or not everything is OK? Is there a likelihood of hair loss with Primo at that dose?

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Without bloodwork you can only go by feel. As far as hair loss goes, if you are prone to hair loss you will prob lose hair. Again, we are all different.

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Got it. Thanks. I’m not prone to hair loss and I have a full head of hair, so I’ll take that as a good sign.

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I would get yourself a good blood pressure cuff. Not the ones that go on the wrist. The one that goes on the upper arm. If you’re going to be dabbling with PED’s at your age and body weight. I think this would be a great investment.

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Thanks, Friscokid. I feel like the clock is ticking. I need to get the body ive craved now, while i can still build muscle, which is why i need some help from the PEDs.

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Ok, So here is my unsolicited 2 cents.
You went from 260+ down to 225lbs. Thats outstanding! Great job.
You did that on TRT ONLY and it worked!
I can only assume that you did that through diet and well thought out gym routine and a shit load of discipline.
Once you started adding Nandrolone, Anavar. Shit started to get complicated.
You gained unwanted weight. Started questioning the legitimacy of the Anavar and its side effects and now wanting to start a new cycle with Primo.
What is Nand, Var, Primo going to give you the Testosterone will not?
Your biggest bang for your buck here is DIET and GYM TIME.
I would suggest leaning harder into that rather than PED use.
This may come off as a lecture. However, I’m in my 50’s myself. I totally get what you’re trying to do.
I would experiment with increasing your test dose (Blast and Cruise) and lean into what has worked in the past rather than experimenting with different Ped’s

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Thanks, Frisco. You’re spot on. When I increased my test base to 350 and bumped up the Nandrolone to 80, my weight started ballooning up. I got up to 236 and freaked out. I dumped the nandrolone and cut my test back to 180. Right now, I’m going to keep the test at 180 until I get back down to around 215 or so, which is where I was when I increased the test and nandrolone. And yes, I gained fat. I keep measurements and my waist circumference increased by .75 inches.

With respect to the anavar, I think 50mg per day was too much. I stopped it today. I work in a high pressure field and yesterday my blood pressure was going through the roof, which NEVER happened to me until I jumped on the anavar. I thought I might be having a medical episode. Thankfully, I know it’s linked to the anavar b/c it’s happened a couple of times now. I guess my body is just really sensitive.

I’m going to reset and recalibrate. I will add one thing to the mix at a time. The reason I was thinking Primo was so I don’t get the side effect of wanting to eat everything in sight, which is what happened when I increased the test. Of course, I could try increasing the test to 250, but my doc had me at 200 and advised me to drop to 180 due to the increase in estrodial and some other markers. I think it is wise to follow that advice and I’m concerned about going from TRT to blast and cruise b/c of the food issue and packing on weight.

My hurry, as you can relate, is that time is literally ticking for me. I have a goal to be in the best shape of my life in 8 months and 3 days. I feel like I’ve been at a standstill for about 5 months now and need to break through the wall, hence why I’m seeking out PEDs.

My gym routine has been good, although I’m experiencing age related injury setbacks these days (chronic hamstring issue). My diet isn’t great in the sense that I don’t really know what or how much I should be eating. I’m basically afraid to eat too much and to get fat. I’m really trying to drop more body fat while slooooowly building muscle, and I’m hoping Primo will help with that goal, or at least make it more likely to achieve.

Anyway, I REALLY appreciate your feedback and advice as well as that of the other members who’ve kindly chimed in. I’ve lifted on and off my whole life from the time I was 18 through now at 54. I’ve had stretches of years where I was extremely serious about fitness, coupled with my time in the military, as well as years where the only fitness I engaged in was walking to the refrigerator. I’m definitely in a better place now than I’ve been in for the past 20 years. I just want to take it to the next level.

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These stand out to me the most as far as the results you are looking for. If you feel like you are pressed for time and are looking for lasting transformation that you can Keep? Start here. This is the LOW HANGING FRUIT and in 8 months you’ll look like and different human being. Need Help? Start a log and tag a few of us in it. or ask more questions. Best of luck

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Thanks, Friscokid. I will do that.

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