Well, Im going to begin my 1st cycle within the next couple weeks, and Id like some input on my cycle. Ive done about as much research as I can, but hope to benefit from some of your experience. Im not looking to be huge or gain alot of bulk (hence my choice in Anavar). I just want to harden and cut up a bit. I like the thin lean look. Also Im genetically prone to hairloss and Ive been maintaining that with Dutasteride for several years, and I know that the Anaver is gentle on the follicles. Just seems to be a good fit for me in comparrison to othr AS’s. Below is my stats and plan:
28 years old, been training for several years
Low carb diet, approx 300g + protein/day
Approx 175-180lbs (I fluxuate like crazy). 5ft 10in
Im not sure what my bf% is, but I could stand to lose about 15lbs in bodyfat alone.
Plan for cycle:
40mg Var ed for 7 weeks
Liquid Clen:
40mcg a day the first 3 days
60mcg 3 days
80mcg 3 days
100mcg 3 days
80mcg 3 days
60mcg 3 days
40mcg 3 days
Liquid T3:
25mcg first 3 days
50mcg 3 days
75 mcg 3 days
100mcg 3 days
75mcg 3 days
50mcg 3 days
25mcg 3 days
The Clen I will have to adjust according to my tollerance, not sure Ill quite get to 150mcg. I also plan to supplement with 5g Tuarine ed. Once I run the T3 and Clen for 3 weeks, I plan to cycle off and run an ECA for 3 weeks, then possibly cycle back depending on the results. I will be training 6 days a week doing drop sets, Training each group twice a week. I also plan to continue taking creatine.
One thing that Id like to get some advice on is… is it a good idea to stack all 3 of these at the same time? Or should I run the Clen and T3 first, and the Var after (or vice versa). My bud is a competition body builder and he recommended running them all at once. Also, with this being my 1st cycle, and be being relatively thin still, any input on the reaults I can expect? I value the thoughts and opinions of you all and look forward to your input. If you have any questions just let a brutha know. Thanks!
[quote]Toph99 wrote:
Agreed, however I do understand the potential thyriod risks if not cycled and dosed properly. I plan to stay on the conservative side of the T3. [/quote]
have you used ECA before? if not, i’d use that with the Var and wait for the thyroid and clen…that’s a lot of stuff for a first cycle. especially if you just want to drop a couple lbs of fat…
Yes Ive used the ECA quite a bit, and I respond relatively well. The suggestion to wait on the clen and t3 till after the Var run is over, does make perfect sense. Im just on the fence with that due to about 50/50 advice on whether to wait or run them together.
Since the T3 has a tendency to burn muscle along with the fat, its also been suggested for me to run it with the Var, to offset the muscle burn. So Im still on the fence with that.
I definitely do NOT want to overdo my 1st cycle. I want to manage a cycle that I can easily tolerate so that i can be consistent from beginning to end. Thank you for your input and I look forward to more thoughts on the subject. I have a couple weeks before I begin, so i welcome all input.
but i have used T4 alone, clen alone, eca alone, clen+t4…
i tollerate really well clen and eca. i get quit no results from t4…
by now i’m using VAR with TBOL at 90ED+40ED
in 4 week i get about 4.5kg and reduced abdominal fat… i think this stack may be a better choice as a 1st one than T3
Also starting with few drugs help you better understand your body. May it be difficult to understand T3 effects
however if you choose to use it i think (as far as i know from friend experience and research) to stack with some AAS (var for example) to avoid LBM loss.
Depending on how much volume you use it definately sounds like you’ll be waaayyyyyy overtraining. I’d stick with just ECA and clen alternating 3 weeks each.
Your stats tell me that you are a very novice trainer and no in anyway ready to be using these powerfull drugs.
Why not gain some muscle first to increase your metabolism?
losing 15 lbs of fat at your current height would put you around 165 lbs at 5’10. That is quite skinny.
IMO you don’t have the lean muscle for these drugs to even be very effective for you. Clen is hard on the heart, as it has been linked to cardio myopathy/ meggally.
I advice you put on 20lbs of muscle first, then think of leaning up.
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
Your stats tell me that you are a very novice trainer and no in anyway ready to be using these powerfull drugs.
Why not gain some muscle first to increase your metabolism?
losing 15 lbs of fat at your current height would put you around 165 lbs at 5’10. That is quite skinny.
IMO you don’t have the lean muscle for these drugs to even be very effective for you. Clen is hard on the heart, as it has been linked to cardio myopathy/ meggally.
I advice you put on 20lbs of muscle first, then think of leaning up.[/quote]
I second that. Good post Prisoner. So you like the small lean look? If it means that much to you then it won’t be the end of the world if you swole up to 190-195 and then come back down to that huge weight of 180-185 but thicker and leaner this time. Assuming of course you know your ass from your elbow when it comes to nutrition and achieving a specific result with it.
Ask yourself this…can you or have you achieved results naturally with your current training and nutrition methods? If the answer is yes then at your size and what you want keep it up and avoid some things especially for your first time that could fuck you up. If the answer is , no, then you got no reason to be saucing.
With the compounds you are wanting to take and with the goals you have set forth then why not while you bulk max dosage Alpha Male and then when you want to cut max dose HOT-ROX Extreme. I’ve used the Carbolin 19 and it’s fucking great man.
Im by no means an expert, and Ive only been training a few years. I have a very small structure by nature (skinny, small joints, etc) so me being at approx 170 when body fat is low, is actually a result of alot of hard work in the gym. When I graduated highschool I was 130lbs at 5ft 10in. I take in approx 350g pf protein per day, and keep the carbs extremely low, as well as do cardio approx4 or 5 times a week. I typically train 3 days on 1 off, training each group twice a week. I feel that I have my diet and training routine in order, and I feel that choosing an AS like Anavar is is one of the safest ways to introduce myself to the world of AS. I understand the risks associated with the T3 and Clen, and Im leaning towards only running that 2 weeks at a time and cycling of with an ECA. Ive had moderate success with an ECA in the past. Ive been using an ECA on and off for a couple years. I appreciate your guy’s input. Ill definitely take everything mentioned into consideration. THanks!
my advice to you is to run only the var with a very clean diet and I think you would be happy with the results. You are considering very powerful chemicals (t3 and clen) which might possibly have very adverse side effects that still remain unknown. obtaining extreme leanness is very difficult I agree, but it can be accomplished through routes that wont hurt you long term. Good luck
[quote]Toph99 wrote:
Im by no means an expert, and Ive only been training a few years. I have a very small structure by nature (skinny, small joints, etc) so me being at approx 170 when body fat is low, is actually a result of alot of hard work in the gym. When I graduated highschool I was 130lbs at 5ft 10in. I take in approx 350g pf protein per day, and keep the carbs extremely low, as well as do cardio approx4 or 5 times a week. I typically train 3 days on 1 off, training each group twice a week. I feel that I have my diet and training routine in order, and I feel that choosing an AS like Anavar is is one of the safest ways to introduce myself to the world of AS. I understand the risks associated with the T3 and Clen, and Im leaning towards only running that 2 weeks at a time and cycling of with an ECA. Ive had moderate success with an ECA in the past. Ive been using an ECA on and off for a couple years. I appreciate your guy’s input. Ill definitely take everything mentioned into consideration. THanks![/quote]
That’s a nice story. I too have small joints and there ain’t nothing you can do about it. However, when you add some serious muscle you will actually appear larger than you are because of the illusion factor.
I won’t attempt to convince you one way or the other…let me just say I don’t exactly understand someone in your position with your experience and development so far using T3??? It is not something to play around with.
I also am a little bit lost on the quantity of protein (350 grams). Holy fuck man, that’s 2g/lb of BM for you. I outweight you by damn near 40 lbs and only take in 300-350 per day. Why the low carbs? Scared of getting fat? Time your carbs better.
So much cardio…but cardio isn’t just cardio. What do you do? Is it low intensity, long duration, or intensity intervals or even Tabata in nature? What about GPP sessions? You saying you do cardio 4-5x/week is like someone in a nutrition forum talk stating they eat ‘good’ it means fuck all.
I personally think if you revamped your diet a bit to allow you to train harder (most people need some carbs to train at a higher intensity) and opted for intensity energy training (if you aren’t now)then you would be better off.
And I still think you would be better off with the supps at this point versus the other (the Var isn’t really an issue it’s the others i’d be worried about)