[quote]Though in most cases, the root cause is your DNA - you can’t “Fix” it, but you can accomodate the excesses or deficiencies it creates- whether it be enzymes, hormones, neurotransmitter- with drugs.
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While there’s no doubt that genetics contribute to mental illness, at this point, saying that it’s the root cause is very speculative. Causation is flat out unknown at this point.
[quote]BigKDawg wrote:
tom63 wrote:
BigKDawg wrote:
wirewound wrote:
humble wrote:
wirewound wrote:
Meds are the most effective treatment.
Diet and mental hygiene help.
I’d contest that. Their isn’t any solid proof of this.
What med’s do though is mask the problem whatever it may be.
Their is very little objective science in the whole field of this very infantile subject of psychiatry and psychology which in the words of John Taylor Gatto “have offered -->| |<-- this much to the true understanding of human nature” but instead created a gold mine out of the pseudo science of brain management, supposed diagnoses and treatments.
The masking effect can clearly be seen with the reactions people have when they forget to take their meds or stop taking them for any reason.
Results? 7-13 school yard massacres were because the children were on these dangerous psychotropics, and the other 6 are unknown only because the information wasn’t divulged.
This is not to mention the other domestic cases, and other rampages people go on.
This is because psychotropics don’t treat, per se. Treat has been an abused word. They mask and the problem still exists underneath all that chemical numbing down of the human concious, the soul and well being of a person.
Once those numbing drugs wear off or are forgotten to be taken or one just builds up a resistance to them (oh yeh, there’s always a stronger med) then the beast which has been breeding underneath explodes in the fits of rage we have seen in the past and will continue to see.
The modern psychotropic drug is the exact same thing as the old water dunking methods they swore by in the past, the old electric shock therapy causing convulsions, bone breakages, brain damage and death, the old lobotomys which failed miserably all the time and were just scientists (albeit mad scientists) mental spoof-trial and error experiments which they misled the public into believing is the answer to the mental states that they witnessed in people.
The only thing is, that lobotomy, shock therapy and water dunking (not to mention countless other supposed and wicked treatments) is now conveniently placed in a mind altering and destroying drug!
Remember that psychiatry and psychology are the same pseudo-sciences that at the turn of the century actually had the nerve (read: complete incompetence) to label an African American slave’s tendency to want to run away from his oppressors as “Drapetomania”. Don’t believe me? Look it up and be shocked.
You know what the treatment was for “Drapetomania”? To whip slaves into obedience and rid them of this mental disease.
The day big pharma comes out and admits, it’s taking people for a ride, is the day markets will crash, economies will crumble and govt leaders will be living in slums! Govts can’t have this and it quite suits their agenda to have people believe that they need to be managed and that the best way to manage them is by using their specially created and very well funded psychotropics.
end rant
You’re an idiot. SPECT scans show significant biological differences in the brain activity of ADHD and non-ADHD subjects. It’s not all a conspiracy by ‘big pharm’.
The meds to treat ADHD are stimulants (except Strattera, which is a norepinephine reuptake inhibitor). ADHD meds are among the most effective and least questionable meds for a given mental illness available except perhaps the major tranquilizers. The side effect trade off is relatively small.
Ritalin, properly prescribed, would be more likely to inhibit violence in children than promote it. Perhaps it’s SSRIs to which you are referring.
Now please get in line behind Tom Cruise for the bus to crazy-town.
And you need to get off your knees and stop s–king Big Pharmas dick. Big Pharma and the “wonders” of junk science has done more to create a climate of learned helplessness towards health in many individuals.
You know like when people say their fat and blame it on genetics because according to research, its not their fault. Or how about the endemic rise of obesity, cancer, heart disease?
Its all genetic, ya know (BULLSHIT AND YOU KNOW IT) People need to wake their asses up and quit being such brain-dead morons to believe the tenets of f–king morons dressed up in white coats acting like their experts just because they have two letters behind their name.
For acute care, modern medicine is priceless. For treating chronic health problems that are largely self-induced, not so much.
There’s nothigngwrong with a little knowledge, you should get some.
Look who’s talking… so when are you stop being Big Pharma’s bitch? Or are you one of those people that believe everything their told and that anything that comes outta that shiny black box is the gospel truth? Go back to taking your meds and F–k OFF[/quote]
You’re an absolute idiot. I’m a chiropractor btw. I do not run to drugs for every little thing, I’m in no way big Pharma’s bitch. I think most people don’t try to live a healthy enough lifestyle and shouldn’t take all the pills they take, but what do you do when it gets to far and they need them?
Modern medicine can do some amazing things, and it is needed if people do not do their share, but docs are in a pickle. they know from experience that most people run for a pill instead of running.
If you weren’t such an absolute fucking dope, you would have seen I tried a drug, but realized that I was better off without it. I have taken pain killers following an accident where I tore my labrum. Look it up, I’m sure you don’t know what I mean. Because it hurt a ton. I stopped in a few days.
I have taken antibiotics with some infections, and took pain killers following a few bad back injuries and some wisdom teeth removal. And I was glad for these drugs.
I don’t reach for them like candy, but they are needed.
Again, you’re an absolute fucking idiot. You do not know what you’re talking about and I’m sure you have no advanced training in health care.
Moron.
[quote]mrw173 wrote:
Though in most cases, the root cause is your DNA - you can’t “Fix” it, but you can accomodate the excesses or deficiencies it creates- whether it be enzymes, hormones, neurotransmitter- with drugs.
While there’s no doubt that genetics contribute to mental illness, at this point, saying that it’s the root cause is very speculative. Causation is flat out unknown at this point.[/quote]
There does seem to be some heredity at work, but environment also shapes people. Genetics is a predisposition, or a shove a certain way. What you do and are exposed to to me is as important.
If kids don’t learn to sit still and pay attention, it’s easy to blame add. I never had a problem in school getting straight As except for college. Chiropractic college was easier because I actually focused a little.
People can learn skills and do things to help focus and attention. Get away from TV and video games and get outside. Workout. Eat well, read a book. All this will help. It might be more difficult for some, but many can manage without.
And for those that can’t, the meds can be very effective. They’re not the debil, jsut another way of helping.
I scrolled through every long post in this read without reading it - maybe I have ADHD?
[quote]wirewound wrote:
The burden of proof is much greater on the proponents of theories that radically contradict the accepted science, IMHO.
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What “accepted science” are you referring to? I think the argument is that the science supporting the existence of so-called mental disorders like ADHD really doesn’t exist at all. The debate is primarily a literary one.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
mrw173 wrote:
Though in most cases, the root cause is your DNA - you can’t “Fix” it, but you can accomodate the excesses or deficiencies it creates- whether it be enzymes, hormones, neurotransmitter- with drugs.
While there’s no doubt that genetics contribute to mental illness, at this point, saying that it’s the root cause is very speculative. Causation is flat out unknown at this point.
There does seem to be some heredity at work, but environment also shapes people. Genetics is a predisposition, or a shove a certain way. What you do and are exposed to to me is as important.
If kids don’t learn to sit still and pay attention, it’s easy to blame add. I never had a problem in school getting straight As except for college. Chiropractic college was easier because I actually focused a little.
People can learn skills and do things to help focus and attention. Get away from TV and video games and get outside. Workout. Eat well, read a book. All this will help. It might be more difficult for some, but many can manage without.
And for those that can’t, the meds can be very effective. They’re not the debil, jsut another way of helping.
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ADHD isn’t exactly the inability to focus either - sometimes you can hyper-focus. I would say the primary characteristic is inconsistent ability to focus.
[quote]wirewound wrote:
tom63 wrote:
mrw173 wrote:
Though in most cases, the root cause is your DNA - you can’t “Fix” it, but you can accomodate the excesses or deficiencies it creates- whether it be enzymes, hormones, neurotransmitter- with drugs.
While there’s no doubt that genetics contribute to mental illness, at this point, saying that it’s the root cause is very speculative. Causation is flat out unknown at this point.
There does seem to be some heredity at work, but environment also shapes people. Genetics is a predisposition, or a shove a certain way. What you do and are exposed to to me is as important.
If kids don’t learn to sit still and pay attention, it’s easy to blame add. I never had a problem in school getting straight As except for college. Chiropractic college was easier because I actually focused a little.
People can learn skills and do things to help focus and attention. Get away from TV and video games and get outside. Workout. Eat well, read a book. All this will help. It might be more difficult for some, but many can manage without.
And for those that can’t, the meds can be very effective. They’re not the debil, jsut another way of helping.
ADHD isn’t exactly the inability to focus either - sometimes you can hyper-focus. I would say the primary characteristic is inconsistent ability to focus.[/quote]
I have it and all I know is that adderall works wonders for me.
my ex girl friend which also has adult adhd said I had the same symptoms that she had before treatmeant and she offered me some of her adderall and it was like night and day.
I find things very hard at times but if I take a stimulant like ephedrine or alot of caffine then I am better nothing worked like the pharm stuff though I really need to get in to get some.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
belligerent wrote:
ADHD = insipid psychobabble
People are way to quick judge psychiatry. Psychiatry is charged with what is arguably THE hardest task we face as a prosperous society. Taking care of the mentally ill is very human and humane.
There is nothing humane about the way that add drugs have been forced on people. There is certainly nothing humane about killing a healthy child in order to make money.
What are you talking about?[/quote]
Since the death of our 14-year-old son Matthew caused from the use of Ritalin prescribed for ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) our family has been informing others world wide via the internet about ADHD and the dangers of psychotropic drugs in memory of our son and countless other children that have died over the years as a direct result of using psychotropic drugs.
We wish to expose the health risks, dangers, deaths and suicides that are a direct result of administering Ritalin and other psychiatric drugs to children.
We hope our story and information will in some way benefit your family and prevent our tragedy from being your families’ reality and nightmare.
Our fourteen year old son Matthew suddenly died on March 21, 2000. The cause of death was determined to be from the long-term (age 7-14) use of Methylphenidate, a drug commonly known as Ritalin.
According to Dr. Ljuba Dragovic, the Chief Pathologist of Oakland County, Michigan, upon autopsy, Matthew’s heart showed clear signs of small vessel damage caused from the use of Methylphenidate (Ritalin).
*The certificate of death reads: “Death caused from Long Term Use of Methylphenidate, Ritalin.”
[quote]wirewound wrote:
tom63 wrote:
mrw173 wrote:
Though in most cases, the root cause is your DNA - you can’t “Fix” it, but you can accomodate the excesses or deficiencies it creates- whether it be enzymes, hormones, neurotransmitter- with drugs.
While there’s no doubt that genetics contribute to mental illness, at this point, saying that it’s the root cause is very speculative. Causation is flat out unknown at this point.
There does seem to be some heredity at work, but environment also shapes people. Genetics is a predisposition, or a shove a certain way. What you do and are exposed to to me is as important.
If kids don’t learn to sit still and pay attention, it’s easy to blame add. I never had a problem in school getting straight As except for college. Chiropractic college was easier because I actually focused a little.
People can learn skills and do things to help focus and attention. Get away from TV and video games and get outside. Workout. Eat well, read a book. All this will help. It might be more difficult for some, but many can manage without.
And for those that can’t, the meds can be very effective. They’re not the debil, jsut another way of helping.
ADHD isn’t exactly the inability to focus either - sometimes you can hyper-focus. I would say the primary characteristic is inconsistent ability to focus.[/quote]
Very true, I have some issues with focusing, more than hyperfocus. there are many various symptoms and people have them to different degrees. And while I can’t prove it, I’m sure environment does have an effect, along with intelligence level and other things. And of course, everyone will express these things somewhat differently.
[quote]wirewound wrote:
Sifu wrote:
wirewound wrote:
BigKDawg wrote:
wirewound wrote:
Meds are the most effective treatment.
Diet and mental hygiene help.
When you say something like that, you know that pharmacuetical fellatio is in full effect. Drugs NEVER will solve the problem behind peoples health afflictions. It simply alleviates the problem temporarily while continueing to throw the delicate balance of the body out whack. Pharmacueticals are band-aid medicine at best, Russian roulette at worst at least in regards to your health.
Okay Dr. You are a doctor, right?
What’s the non-pharmacological solution to schizophrenia, Spock?
Alright then.
Are you a doctor? If you are what is your field of specialty?
Do I need to be a doctor in order to agree with the prevailing medical opinion? I think that disagreement with the medical community requires more stringent proof. Any idiot can have an opinion.
My opinion is based on personal experience, self-study, and is in agreement with the prevailing science. It could still be wrong, but it’s backed up by legions of very smart, very well-trained people. So much so, that it is the prevailing opinion.
Let’s use evolution as an example. If you want to make an argument against the theory of evolution, more scrutiny is required - as it countervails the clear scientific theories as explicated by the vast majority of scientists. It could still be correct, but it needs to be scrutinized very closely.
The burden of proof is much greater on the proponents of theories that radically contradict the accepted science, IMHO.
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Your so called widely accepted science has many critics who are doctors (unlike you) who make a compelling case that money interests have overridden science.
I get my information from a doctor of neurology. Neurologists specialize is disorders of the central nervous system. So when he says that there is no neurological test it is believable because neurology is his specialty.
Here is his website:
He even has a book out.
http://www.adhdfraud.com/book/pressrelease.htm
The ADHD Fraud
How Psychiatry Makes �??Patients�?? Out of Normal Children
Here is a comment on the book.
“Read this book before someone you love is labeled and drugged”.
Nicholas A. Cummings, Former President, American Psychiatric Association
[quote]Sifu wrote:
wirewound wrote:
Sifu wrote:
wirewound wrote:
BigKDawg wrote:
wirewound wrote:
Meds are the most effective treatment.
Diet and mental hygiene help.
When you say something like that, you know that pharmacuetical fellatio is in full effect. Drugs NEVER will solve the problem behind peoples health afflictions. It simply alleviates the problem temporarily while continueing to throw the delicate balance of the body out whack. Pharmacueticals are band-aid medicine at best, Russian roulette at worst at least in regards to your health.
Okay Dr. You are a doctor, right?
What’s the non-pharmacological solution to schizophrenia, Spock?
Alright then.
Are you a doctor? If you are what is your field of specialty?
Do I need to be a doctor in order to agree with the prevailing medical opinion? I think that disagreement with the medical community requires more stringent proof. Any idiot can have an opinion.
My opinion is based on personal experience, self-study, and is in agreement with the prevailing science. It could still be wrong, but it’s backed up by legions of very smart, very well-trained people. So much so, that it is the prevailing opinion.
Let’s use evolution as an example. If you want to make an argument against the theory of evolution, more scrutiny is required - as it countervails the clear scientific theories as explicated by the vast majority of scientists. It could still be correct, but it needs to be scrutinized very closely.
The burden of proof is much greater on the proponents of theories that radically contradict the accepted science, IMHO.
Your so called widely accepted science has many critics who are doctors (unlike you) who make a compelling case that money interests have overridden science.
I get my information from a doctor of neurology. Neurologists specialize is disorders of the central nervous system. So when he says that there is no neurological test it is believable because neurology is his specialty.
Here is his website:
He even has a book out.
http://www.adhdfraud.com/book/pressrelease.htm
The ADHD Fraud
How Psychiatry Makes �??Patients�?? Out of Normal Children
Here is a comment on the book.
“Read this book before someone you love is labeled and drugged”.
Nicholas A. Cummings, Former President, American Psychiatric Association
[/quote]
Yeah - he’s going against the grain. Not all doctors are of the same caliber. Certainly HE’S not trying to make money by writing a controversial book that preys on the fears of parents. /sarcasm
Without meds, I’m a basket case. I just sit and spin my wheels all day long. I could never do my job without them (as has been shown by my losing two jobs while going through a period of not taking my meds).
[quote]Sifu wrote:
wirewound wrote:
Sifu wrote:
wirewound wrote:
BigKDawg wrote:
wirewound wrote:
Meds are the most effective treatment.
Diet and mental hygiene help.
When you say something like that, you know that pharmacuetical fellatio is in full effect. Drugs NEVER will solve the problem behind peoples health afflictions. It simply alleviates the problem temporarily while continueing to throw the delicate balance of the body out whack. Pharmacueticals are band-aid medicine at best, Russian roulette at worst at least in regards to your health.
Okay Dr. You are a doctor, right?
What’s the non-pharmacological solution to schizophrenia, Spock?
Alright then.
Are you a doctor? If you are what is your field of specialty?
Do I need to be a doctor in order to agree with the prevailing medical opinion? I think that disagreement with the medical community requires more stringent proof. Any idiot can have an opinion.
My opinion is based on personal experience, self-study, and is in agreement with the prevailing science. It could still be wrong, but it’s backed up by legions of very smart, very well-trained people. So much so, that it is the prevailing opinion.
Let’s use evolution as an example. If you want to make an argument against the theory of evolution, more scrutiny is required - as it countervails the clear scientific theories as explicated by the vast majority of scientists. It could still be correct, but it needs to be scrutinized very closely.
The burden of proof is much greater on the proponents of theories that radically contradict the accepted science, IMHO.
Your so called widely accepted science has many critics who are doctors (unlike you) who make a compelling case that money interests have overridden science.
I get my information from a doctor of neurology. Neurologists specialize is disorders of the central nervous system. So when he says that there is no neurological test it is believable because neurology is his specialty.
Here is his website:
He even has a book out.
http://www.adhdfraud.com/book/pressrelease.htm
The ADHD Fraud
How Psychiatry Makes �??Patients�?? Out of Normal Children
Here is a comment on the book.
“Read this book before someone you love is labeled and drugged”.
Nicholas A. Cummings, Former President, American Psychiatric Association
[/quote]
There is truth to some of what he writes, but some of his examples are extremes. You can find any prescription drug and find horror stories. I do agree that oftentimes this is over diagnosed and over medicated, but not in all cases.
My 13 year old daughter was struggling in school. She had a difficult time concentrating and her grades were slipping. A few years of strattera helped her a great deal. she is off the meds and does very well in school. Kids can suffer a great deal wehn they are getting bad grades.
For example, her brother is an honor roll student, same as her( they’re twins btw), and is in the most advanced class. She feels bad from time to time that she isn’t there. She told me she doesn’t like being labeled with ADD in her early grades because of this.
I’ve just old her to do her work and get the grades and everything will shake out. but that doesn’t solve the frustration of being in a class with a bunch of kids that she ahead of ability wise.
Parents need knowledge in this and play an active role in their kids health and schooling. Know the risks and the benefits. Unfortunately, not very many parents have the knowledge and viewpoint that my ex wife and I have. Some people have a weird love for labels. they have ADHD or ADD like it absolves them from all responsibility. It doesn’t.
My daughter is doing a book report in 8th grade for a class. Their assignment was a biography. She chose a book I bought for her about Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. Not many 13 year olds would do this or understand the book. She enjoys learning and had a great ability to think in a fairly complex manner about things that to me seem beyond an average 13 year old.
Of course, this could be a proud dad talking. The meds did work for her. But we only had her on them a few years. and i think this is what most are missing. You need an open minded approach to any illness. Meds if needed. Lifestyle changes are essential. doing what it takes should be automatic.
But unfortunately, many people don’t have the will to do the hard stuff or the brains to figure it out. This is one way or reason meds get out of control. People don’t take their health seriously. I have a saying that goes, " you live here", meaning your body. Everyone should know about how there body works, exercise, nutrition, and so on.
But it’s not fair to just blame doctors or drug companies for individual peole’s lack of responsibility.
[quote]wirewound wrote:
Sifu wrote:
wirewound wrote:
Sifu wrote:
wirewound wrote:
BigKDawg wrote:
wirewound wrote:
Meds are the most effective treatment.
Diet and mental hygiene help.
When you say something like that, you know that pharmacuetical fellatio is in full effect. Drugs NEVER will solve the problem behind peoples health afflictions. It simply alleviates the problem temporarily while continueing to throw the delicate balance of the body out whack. Pharmacueticals are band-aid medicine at best, Russian roulette at worst at least in regards to your health.
Okay Dr. You are a doctor, right?
What’s the non-pharmacological solution to schizophrenia, Spock?
Alright then.
Are you a doctor? If you are what is your field of specialty?
Do I need to be a doctor in order to agree with the prevailing medical opinion? I think that disagreement with the medical community requires more stringent proof. Any idiot can have an opinion.
My opinion is based on personal experience, self-study, and is in agreement with the prevailing science. It could still be wrong, but it’s backed up by legions of very smart, very well-trained people. So much so, that it is the prevailing opinion.
Let’s use evolution as an example. If you want to make an argument against the theory of evolution, more scrutiny is required - as it countervails the clear scientific theories as explicated by the vast majority of scientists. It could still be correct, but it needs to be scrutinized very closely.
The burden of proof is much greater on the proponents of theories that radically contradict the accepted science, IMHO.
Your so called widely accepted science has many critics who are doctors (unlike you) who make a compelling case that money interests have overridden science.
I get my information from a doctor of neurology. Neurologists specialize is disorders of the central nervous system. So when he says that there is no neurological test it is believable because neurology is his specialty.
Here is his website:
He even has a book out.
http://www.adhdfraud.com/book/pressrelease.htm
The ADHD Fraud
How Psychiatry Makes �??Patients�?? Out of Normal Children
Here is a comment on the book.
“Read this book before someone you love is labeled and drugged”.
Nicholas A. Cummings, Former President, American Psychiatric Association
Yeah - he’s going against the grain. Not all doctors are of the same caliber. Certainly HE’S not trying to make money by writing a controversial book that preys on the fears of parents. /sarcasm
Without meds, I’m a basket case. I just sit and spin my wheels all day long. I could never do my job without them (as has been shown by my losing two jobs while going through a period of not taking my meds).
[/quote]
This is a good example of what I’m talking about. Meds were bad for me, good for my daughter for awhile, and are needed by you.
But I do agree with some of the doctor’s sentiments. A six year old kid has a hard time sitting still.
Here’s a story about me. In kindergarten we had to take the standard achievement tests. After I was done with the first test, I had extra time. So I did all the tests in the time allotted for the first test.
The teacher scolded me, but I told her that since I had extra time I thought it was okay. She told my parents about this after I got the results back and scored about as high as a kid could score.
Now I’m lucky I had a nice teacher who liked me and thought I was bright. Otherwise I might be a zombie right now.
This stuff needs to be approached with a little common sense and with the idea that different people will respond different ways.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
My 13 year old daughter was struggling in school. She had a difficult time concentrating and her grades were slipping. A few years of strattera helped her a great deal. she is off the meds and does very well in school. Kids can suffer a great deal wehn they are getting bad grades.
[/quote]
You know there’s a black-box label on Strattera for adolescents, don’t you?
[quote]Sifu wrote:
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Just so we’re all clear, this is a Scientology site. I don’t know about the other sites you posted, but if they came from the same place, they’re about as credible as a polyp.
Scientology is insane.
I used to live in LA and those people freak me out - dressed like flight attendants and they believe we’re possessed by alien ghosts. It sounds like an anime plot-line to me.
For the most part alot of these drugs arent necessary and probably cause more harm than good. You want productivity? Manage your business better. Learn how to delegate and lead. I’m sure google isnt bitching about productivity right now. Some stupid pill or screening for adhd isnt going to help jack shit. Try not hiring retards. Try having an eye for talent.
As far as ADHD… I remember a simpsons epsidoe where they came up with the newest goofball drug and it said ‘studies have proven this pill is almost half as effective as regular exercise, and only has a 30% chance of causing seizures!’ And they all went ‘ooooh’, cuz when you try to treat something that you understand maybe 0.01% of (the brain) thats about the best u can hope for.
Try letting the kids play outside. Hell i use to just run and run and run as a kid playing games laughing and giggling just staring at the sky and twirling around and shit. Then when it came time to learn you kinda had it all worked outta yer system.
There is a giant difference between a study showing that those with ADHD, on average, show different brain functioning than those who don’t have ADHD, and having a real nuerological TEST for ADHD.
That being said, you’d be excluding practically everything from the DSM if you made having the presence of a valid neurological test a necessary requirement.
Also, I get his “labeling” argument, but really, in our society, that label can do more good than harm in many instances. For example, without a “label,” kids are not going to get the services they need from school, whether it be ADHD, a learning disability, or something else. So yes, these labels do have stigmas associated with them, but let’s not make them out to be all evil as well.
[quote]etaco wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Just so we’re all clear, this is a Scientology site. I don’t know about the other sites you posted, but if they came from the same place, they’re about as credible as a polyp.[/quote]
Lets make something else clear. ADD drugs like ritalin (methylphenidate)are highly addictive. The DEA classes ritalin as a schedule two highly addictive drug. Methamphetamines like methylphenidate are not flintstones chewable vitamins even if they are passed out to kids like candy. Addiction is a documented side effect of these drugs. Addiction is an incurable disease it never goes away. Once you are an addict, you are an addict for life. One thing that addicts will do is if someone tells them something about their addiction and they don’t like the message, they will attack the messenger.
The addiction aspect of these drugs has to be taken into account when analyzing feed back from users of these drugs, because there is no way to tell if it is a genuine need or the addiction talking. Ritalin users, crystal meth users, crackheads etc… all say the same thing about their drug of choice, “I couldn’t live or function without it”. If you don’t believe that watch the tv show intervention some time.
Personally I think that scientology is a load of crap. But they are the ones who have been out in front of everyone else leading the fight. It doesn’t change the fact that the school violated the kids civil rights by demanding that he be put on ritalin in order to enjoy his civil right to a free public education and he died as a result.
It was a scientology group that sued the government and won it’s case (in a court of law) to have the practice of coercion outlawed by the federal government. Thanks to the scientologists President Bush was forced to sign a law ending this violation of civil rights that has left hundreds, possibly thousands of kids dead.
The scientologists would not be winning court cases if they didn’t have some irrefutable facts on their side. So dismissing this as just some kind of scientology conspiracy is a red herring.
[quote]mrw173 wrote:
There is a giant difference between a study showing that those with ADHD, on average, show different brain functioning than those who don’t have ADHD, and having a real nuerological TEST for ADHD.
That being said, you’d be excluding practically everything from the DSM if you made having the presence of a valid neurological test a necessary requirement.
Also, I get his “labeling” argument, but really, in our society, that label can do more good than harm in many instances. For example, without a “label,” kids are not going to get the services they need from school, whether it be ADHD, a learning disability, or something else. So yes, these labels do have stigmas associated with them, but let’s not make them out to be all evil as well.
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All true.